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kemicalsupreme Apprentice 490 posts since
Jun 12, 2011

Can someone explain to me why the host always switches when the game starts or mid game?  Really 3arch?

Posted by kemicalsupreme on Feb 8, 2013 11:05 AM

Really?

 

I have taken more losses in the last two weeks with the host dash boarding or me being dropped from the game.  I imagine the host leaves mid game due to the lag.

 

I myself yesterday had to leave a game due to being one shot killed and the other team seeing me first.  I found out that I was the host.  How does the host have a bad lag connection.  In therory, they should have best connection and not be at a disadvantage.

 

Anyways, why is it the game freezes or dumps the host every single game?  This is not fun. 

 

Thats alright, keep pushing league play instead of pushing the lag comp issue.

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  • deamonomic Expert 1,582 posts since
    Aug 24, 2011
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    ffs people. People rage quit because they are not having fun. they are not having fun because they are getting owned. END OF STORY. people have rage quit in the past. they will rage quit in the future, lag or no lag. I have been going through multiple host changes just about every game since CoD 4! and no, I dont blame the devs, I blame the weak ass players.

     

    I have yet to see one shred of evidence supporting that host is at a disadvantage. I have yet to see it. and you better not say "but I watched the kill cam" >.> if so ima have to leave here before I start being really rude.

     

    Half of you guys who cry "lag" dont even know what the hell lag is. The hundreds of videos on youtube showing all the "lag" Prove that.

     

    I am now fully under the impression that the majority of the people who post on here about lag are people completely new to the gaming world. they claim to have played past cods, but I really really doubt it seeing as how they never noticed this **** till now. Unless they were simply oblivious.

     

    for example: games dropping because the host rage quits... I have seen that since Halo 2. now that I think about it, I have seen host migration screens since then as well.

    kemicalsupreme wrote:

     

    Really?

     

    I have taken more losses in the last two weeks with the host dash boarding or me being dropped from the game.  I imagine the host leaves mid game due to the lag.

     

    I myself yesterday had to leave a game due to being one shot killed and the other team seeing me first.  I found out that I was the host.  How does the host have a bad lag connection.  In therory, they should have best connection and not be at a disadvantage.

     

    Anyways, why is it the game freezes or dumps the host every single game?  This is not fun. 

     

    Thats alright, keep pushing league play instead of pushing the lag comp issue.

      • deamonomic Expert 1,582 posts since
        Aug 24, 2011
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        If lag comp is in my favor when not host, then why is it that I feel like god when host? I Hate my host because it is ungodly unfair. Has been this way in every cod i have ever played and is still true. hell its not just true in CoD its true in most FPS games.

         

        second, that visual evidence you speak of, isnt evidence of anything. I honestly dont know how you guys dont see it. But I will tell you what,

         

        Give me a video that has yet to be posted on these here forums. that shows the super lag you talk about. I will do exactly what I have done to all the other videos. I will download it. I will sit here and go FRAME BY FRAME. and see if it really is what you claim it to be. My guess is no it wont be just like all the rest.

         

        furthermore too many people trust the kill cams and believe that they are signs of lag when in reality the dam things are broken and always have been.

         

        there are a TON of different things that make the lag seem FAR worse then it is. just ONE of the examples of this is: Zombie markers (last time im posting this too. youll be able to see this when I make my own thread shortly) hit markers do not go away instantly. Nor is it noticable when they refresh from the next hit marker. Hit markers have a 1 second life span. In that span of 1 second you can fire upto 15 rounds with a silenced vector (I sat there and counted).

         

        now what happens when you get a hit marker that lasts for 1 second and a gun that can fire 15 rounds in that time? You see the ILLUSION of several things.

        A: It appears that you are landing more bullets then you are

        B: it takes more bullets to kill someone then it actually does

        C: because the hitmarker sticks around, its still there even when you are not aimed at the enemy, leading people to blame the game for having bad hit detection.

        D: it makes alot of people think that they are lagging bad.

         

        again that is just ONE of the many reasons as to why people mistakenly believe the lag is so dam bad.

    • WindopanevM Newbie 66 posts since
      Jan 7, 2013
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      I have been playing COD since 4 on XBox.  I can clearly see when my bullets are not registering properly.  Everytime I see this and jump out of the game .. migrating host.

       

      Something is obviously wrong whether or not anyone shows you proof.  You just have to have experience playing to know that things aren't right, and in this installment of COD, it's only when I host.

       

      I couldn't tell you why, because I have no idea, but it's not just a coincidence over and over again.  The only time my bullets don't register is when I'm host, whether you want to believe it or not, and in seeing the countless mentions of this on tis forum from various players, I know I'm not crazy or the only one experiencing it.

       

      Hosting = no hit detection and horrible gameplay.  Good for you if it doesn't happen to you, but reel in that dik head attitude a little pal.

      • deamonomic Expert 1,582 posts since
        Aug 24, 2011
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        WindopanevM wrote:

         

        I have been playing COD since 4 on XBox.  I can clearly see when my bullets are not registering properly.  Everytime I see this and jump out of the game .. migrating host.

         

        Something is obviously wrong whether or not anyone shows you proof.  You just have to have experience playing to know that things aren't right, and in this installment of COD, it's only when I host.

         

        I couldn't tell you why, because I have no idea, but it's not just a coincidence over and over again.  The only time my bullets don't register is when I'm host, whether you want to believe it or not, and in seeing the countless mentions of this on tis forum from various players, I know I'm not crazy or the only one experiencing it.

         

        Hosting = no hit detection and horrible gameplay.  Good for you if it doesn't happen to you, but reel in that dik head attitude a little pal.

        hard to type laughing so hard. Im laughing because in all likely hood I have way more gaming experience then all of ya . I have no life. I have suffered with chronic pain since the age of 4. Video games have been one of the very few things that can actually distract me from the pain. I have spent more time then I can count in the gaming world.

         

        and as far as dik head attitude, you should really pay attention to how you guys sound. that is why I am sounding the way I am. The way you guys are treating the developers is pathetic and I am beyond tired of seeing it. Work in customer service, get treated like **** by customers day in and day out and this will likely become one of your major buttons for annoyance.

         

        you want to know whats funny as hell about your lag comp... You want to know how often I experience lag on 3 bars, the same kind of lag you guys are talking about, through out the entire game its the same thing, I have to work my ass off to get kills, But yet I still manage to prevail, and you know what I hear from the host at the end. That he was lagging and that I only won because of Lag comp, when the only reason that guy was able to kill me half as much as he was, was because my first 3-4 bullets were lagging. That has happened more times then I can count.

         

        You guy claim this is a problem, you claim you want it fixed, and yet you do NOTHING to prove it. and you wonder why the devs havent done anything. they say they are not seeing it, they stated that the game is not geared to do what you say it is. and all you guys do is go "nuh uh" lol

         

        Ill drop another example here of "bullets missing" not being lag. BTT or Bullet travel time (since I cant think of a better name). Bullets do not impact instantly, nor do you see a hit marker instantly. There is but the briefest of pauses from shot to hitmarker. usually about 3-6 frames. What this means

        is that when you fire your first shot (that is on target) you will likely not see that first hitmarker until the moment you fire your second shot (usually in the same frame, but sometimes just after). This gives the impression that your first bullet missed A.K.A LAG/hit detection. its not missing at all.

         

        Basically what is happening is your first shot's hit marker shows up when the second shot if fired. You second hitmarker shows up around the third shot and the third at the forth and so on. now because of this people think they are getting hitmarkers after a persons death as well.  this also adds to the illusion that it takes more shots to kill people then it actually does.

         

         

        if you want another example: Kill cams have the habit of showing an enemy player doing several things 1: it can show you firing LESS shots then you actually did 2: it can show you firing DOUBLE what you actually did, not only does it sound like a double shot, you see 2 bullets eject from the gun. 3: it shows the enemies aim being off even though they were not even aiming there... EVER.

    • _McLovin_ Newbie 11 posts since
      Feb 6, 2013
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      All I keep hearing is that the reason people quit early is because they are raging due to being owned. I've got news for you. The real reason for most of the early bails is because honest players refuse to stay in matches that are infested with lag switchers (which this game is rampant with) and cheats, its not rage, its disgust. it makes you wonder when you are equiped with light weight and marathon and the other guy who doesnt have either is moving around the board 90mph faster than you. when I read what you posted, I sense more rage than I have ever felt playing a video game.

      • deamonomic Expert 1,582 posts since
        Aug 24, 2011
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        _McLovin_ wrote:

         

        All I keep hearing is that the reason people quit early is because they are raging due to being owned. I've got news for you. The real reason for most of the early bails is because honest players refuse to stay in matches that are infested with lag switchers (which this game is rampant with) and cheats, its not rage, its disgust. it makes you wonder when you are equiped with light weight and marathon and the other guy who doesnt have either is moving around the board 90mph faster than you. when I read what you posted, I sense more rage than I have ever felt playing a video game.

        then why do people rage quit in other games? why have the rage quit since the beginning of the gaming world? wait... are you saying that lag problems have always existed... you guys need to play more games. Rage quiting is everywhere. people rage quit even when not host, you just dont notice it because there is no break in the game saying MIGRATING HOST

         

        and your right I am pissed off. I am sick of this community treating the developers as if they are their slaves because they spent 60 bucks.

        • _McLovin_ Newbie 11 posts since
          Feb 6, 2013
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          I dont think the developers are at fault. Although I do think they need to focus more on security. Also, all I am trying to say is that cheating is a big problem with this game and people are leaving because of that, call it rage or whatever.

          • deamonomic Expert 1,582 posts since
            Aug 24, 2011
            Currently Being Moderated

            cheating how? the only cheat I have seen is lag switch and that has been around since god knows when and can be done on many games. Hell if you had played Halo 2 back in the day you wouldnt be complaining about cheaters now even if there were a couple running around. That was an age of cheating unlike anything the CoD series has ever seen.

             

             

            Additonal reason people rage quit:

            they dont like the map

            they lost a player

            they got an invite

            they dont like being host (I hate being host because its just unfair to the other players)

            they didnt finish setting up their class

            they picked the wrong game mode

            + 50 billion other possible reasons.

  • gzowner1 Apprentice 699 posts since
    Nov 13, 2011
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    I know when im hosting because i cant hit **** and markers dont show anything. Bars tell you most of the time, and when i notice that im aiming and getting killed by a guy that just appear in front of me and pistol shot me.. im hosting. Ill back out and what ya know.. hosting migration time. So that just proves i was hosting. I get host most of the time as well, and have to downgrade my connection to dial up to keep it from choosing me. Once im in the game, i open it back up.. but soon as i do, bam hosting migration again to me.. So again i back out.. I hate hosting, cause you cant hit ****..

  • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
    Sep 2, 2011
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    The question you SHOULD be asking is why people can't stay in a lobby and finish out a match.

    • deamonomic Expert 1,582 posts since
      Aug 24, 2011
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      nicedrewishfela wrote:

       

      The question you SHOULD be asking is why people can't stay in a lobby and finish out a match.

      they dont ask that because they assume they know the answer

    • gzowner1 Apprentice 699 posts since
      Nov 13, 2011
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      sorry if i get put in a match that is 15-70 KC.. i back out if im on the losing side. Granted i will take a lost if i play, but im not going to feed there kills if one is boosting, cheating or camping. I would rather dashboard it and find a new lobby. If its a close game and feel that i can help, ill stick it out..

      • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
        Sep 2, 2011
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        You are either part of the problem.. or part of the solution.

         

        I understand where you are coming from, but that is still being part of the problem. When I get put in a bad match late, I lay low and try to tough it out the best I can. Why? Because I know that the match will end and I will get to start again on even footing.

        • ct1486 Newbie 80 posts since
          May 25, 2011
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          So he should take a loss because someone else raged? I think there should be an option to not join games that have already started. Running solo is near impossible in this game due to being put in one sided games.

          • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
            Sep 2, 2011
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            THEN DON'T PLAY SOLO. Get a squad. This is a you problem, not a game problem.

             

            If you play solo, you can expect to fill spaces in team matches. After all, they are team matches.

             

            And you make my point for me. You become part of the problem by repeating the same action. YES it sucks that someone rage quit and you were placed in that match to fill the space. But by rage quitting yourself you have now put someone else in that same situation. So, you are just as guilty and just as much part of the problem. Its a cycle that by taking one loss like a man you can do your part in preventing.

          • vims1990 Master 7,516 posts since
            Aug 13, 2011
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            ct1486 wrote:

             

            So he should take a loss because someone else raged? I think there should be an option to not join games that have already started. Running solo is near impossible in this game due to being put in one sided games.

             

            That's the disadvantage of playing solo. You'll end up in matches in progress due to players leaving that match you just joined.

             

            If there was an option for not joining a match in progress, those matches in progress would end up in forfeits more often just because no one else is filling up.

             

            Let's just say you're destroying the opposing team and most of them rage quit, you'll end up with a forfeit or playing against 1 player just because your match isn't filling up with new players.

             

            Simple solution is to play in a party if you hate joining a match in progress.

             

            Don't blame the game, blame the players who can't handle a beating....which eventually leaves you to replace them once they leave.

  • maccabi Master 11,860 posts since
    May 31, 2011
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    /agrees with vims

     

    also the host migration could be caused by simply the hosts connection cant handle the game when it starts better that than a horrible sessions as theres a bad host

    • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
      Sep 2, 2011
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      This.

       

      Nothing makes me happier than seeing "Host Migration" in a laggy lobby. Especially if one of my friends or I get Host.

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