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Padiego Expert 2,478 posts since
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REASONS WHY SMGs=DEATH LASERS

Posted by Padiego on Jan 21, 2013 9:44 AM

Happy MLK day everyone!

Alright, so....let's get the thread started. I've been wanting to make this thread for a while now, and here it is. The SMGs in this game are OP. Why? Well, they have way too many pros. In fact, the only con is range, but slap on long barrel and problem solved(there's not even that many long range encounters in this game). Im sure by now everyone knows the pros....no recoil, medium damage, fast rof, god-like hipfire, etc. But one of the main reasons why SMGs are op is because of a lil thing called ads delay. SMGs have almost non-existant ads delay, but smgs already have built aim steady aim, so they basically have no ads delay at all. ARs and LMGs have nearly a one second ads delay. This means that smgs have a near 1 sec advantage, and THIS IS HUGE in a fast paced game. "well padiego, ads delay was in bo as well"...true, but in bo, smgs were smgs. I can't believe im gonna say this but....this is something mw3 did right. IW does not strongly believe in ads delay. MW3 is like bo2 map-wise, but the difference is that in mw3, you could as easily use an ACR or a P90. Even though mw3, like bo2, had tiny maps, ARs still stood a chance, heck you could rush with lmgs, the lsw was one of my favorite guns in mw3 during the few months i played that "game". This video explains it better :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyntHjL6T9Y&list=UUk8cNb10L5rmV9xB13ADCWA&index=1 1

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  • nintendon\'t Master 3,906 posts since
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    nintendon\'t     Jan 21, 2013 10:23 AM (in response to Padiego)

    ADS delay has been around since COD 4

  • like2nap03 Master 2,529 posts since
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    like2nap03     Jan 21, 2013 10:28 AM (in response to Padiego)

    At least they should be nerfed by the end of the month.  The downside is they are being nerfed by the end of this month when it should have been last month.

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    codcanuck     Jan 21, 2013 10:29 AM (in response to Padiego)

    I'm trying out the MTAR and I hate it. The gun itself isn't bad, but it feels like I'm missing so many things compared to the SMGs. I even get outgunned by PDWs (curse them all!) at long range.

  • Convict7 Master 1,257 posts since
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    Convict7     Jan 21, 2013 11:04 AM (in response to Padiego)

    Smgs don't need stock or quickdraw, that is another problem, they're easy to handle and they're fast already by default. ARs are punished with slow strafe speed and more recoil. Basically, there is no proper balance in the mobility.

    • DatBigSwitcha2 Novice 256 posts since
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      DatBigSwitcha2     Jan 21, 2013 11:47 AM (in response to Convict7)

      isnt that because they weigh more though (as they are bigger)?

      • Convict7 Master 1,257 posts since
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        Convict7     Jan 21, 2013 11:56 AM (in response to DatBigSwitcha2)

        Maybe, but SMG is smaller and has faster RoF which equals quite of a recoil, in this game, SMGs don't have any good recoil, but they sure have good overall stats

  • DatBigSwitcha2 Novice 256 posts since
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    DatBigSwitcha2     Jan 21, 2013 11:18 AM (in response to Padiego)

    >SMGS OP
    >LOL notsureifsrs.jpg

     

    If you're gonna call them OP, at least make sure they dotn get constantly s*** on by shotguns (which they constantly do).

     

     

     

    SMGS are good in this game, very good. OP however? Nope, only bad players claim stuff is "OP" because good players have already found ways to combat "OP" stuff.

    • Convict7 Master 1,257 posts since
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      Convict7     Jan 21, 2013 11:29 AM (in response to DatBigSwitcha2)

      How do you defeat SMG then?

       

       

      Shotgun and pistols.

       

       

      ARs can't compete in any other range than long, SMG user is so fast that he can easily run at close fight with AR user.

       

       

      LMGs can **** everything, but they're too slow.

       

       

      Pistols and shotties...

      • DatBigSwitcha2 Novice 256 posts since
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        DatBigSwitcha2     Jan 21, 2013 11:38 AM (in response to Convict7)

        By telling me how you defeat them, you are pretty much saying they are not overpowered. Now apply these to your game and see how easy it is to kill an SMG user.

        By no means am I saying that SMGs arent the easiest class to use, its just that if you apply yourself and prey on there range.slow time to kill comapred to shotguns, you'll be golden.

        Moreover the long barrel attachment only gives 15% range, which does barely anything at all to SMGs and there are far more useful attachments to use.

         

         

        so to recap at killing SMG users;

         

        Long range with snipers/ARS/LMGS

        Shotguns (at CQB, i mean remmington s**** on all SMGs)

        not sure about pistols, havent used one.

         

        Its really easy if you think about it.

        • Convict7 Master 1,257 posts since
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          Convict7     Jan 21, 2013 11:53 AM (in response to DatBigSwitcha2)

          By telling you how to defeat them eh?

           

          Yes, by using OP shotgun and pistols that require 2 shots in close range.

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            Convict7     Jan 21, 2013 12:02 PM (in response to Convict7)

            I admit, I do stab them multiple times, I also killed one by  throwing two frags at his face, do you think that he laughed or raged when he saw the killcam?

             

          • DatBigSwitcha2 Novice 256 posts since
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            DatBigSwitcha2     Jan 21, 2013 12:15 PM (in response to Convict7)

            Why must everything be "OP"?

            Man, im  sick of kids just blurting out the phrase "OP" when they actually have no idea what it means, or actually have no good grasp of the actual game. If the remmington is "OP" and pistols are "OP" how can Smgs ALSO be "OP", surely they balance each other out?

             

             

            Shotguns beat SMGS in CQB. FACT.

            (most) ARs and all LMGS beat SMGs at long range. FACT.

             

            Fun fact, if someone refers to something as "OP", 99% of the time, it means that they are killed over and over by that weapon and cannot adapt and beat it, I have a giant feeling that you are this type of person, since you just label everything "OP".

             

            I destroy SMG users with my M8A1 all the time, either im a very good player (likely), or I have found a way to prey on the SMGs weakness (Again, likely). Moreover, I have destroyed SMG users with my S12. Again, I could be amazing at the game, or i couldve found a way to beat SMG users.

             

            Many peoiple act like SMGs are an instant death, or if you use an SMG its equivalent to a garunteed 5KD. Both of these are false, you cannot use an SMG on this game and just destroy everything with no resistance, you will die from LMG users at range, you will die to shotugns up close, maybe if the guy is exceptional at the game (and the shotgun user cant aim), he might eek out a victory.

             

            @Padiego, all the shotguns destroy SMGs in CQB. You die faster than a One shot kill. Its up to the shotgunner (not a persdonal attack on you) to make sure the SMG user is in that range, if you're not doing that, then you should not be running with a shotgun (although its ridiculously easier to get inside the KSG/R870s OSK range than the S12/M216. But its not too hard on most maps).

             

            Overall SmGs are easy to use, but they arent undefeatable, you just need to adapt and play smarter.

            • nintendon\'t Master 3,906 posts since
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              nintendon\'t     Jan 21, 2013 1:35 PM (in response to DatBigSwitcha2)

              I've been working on getting diamond SMGs and I've been getting a 3+kd almost every match. They're easy mode.

              • onlyUSEmeMARIO Apprentice 825 posts since
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                onlyUSEmeMARIO     Jan 21, 2013 1:57 PM (in response to nintendon\'t)

                With DA and fibre optic connection they probably are.

                • like2nap03 Master 2,529 posts since
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                  like2nap03     Jan 21, 2013 2:22 PM (in response to onlyUSEmeMARIO)

                  Yeah, with the wii remote they're more like "survive mode"

                  • Padiego Expert 2,478 posts since
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                    Padiego     Jan 21, 2013 3:21 PM (in response to like2nap03)

                    Nope, SMGs are actually even EASIER with wiimote, believe it or not. Maybe it's just me.......I think i'm becoming a DA fanboy.........ehh *shakes head*.

                     

                     

                    SMGs are instakill on a 1 bar, 2 bar, 3 bar, 4 bar, zimbabwe bar........That's why I named my PDW class the "Zimbabwean Host".

              • DatBigSwitcha2 Novice 256 posts since
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                DatBigSwitcha2     Jan 21, 2013 3:39 PM (in response to nintendon\'t)

                I've finished matches with 34KDs and 40KDS with an SMG. Doesnt mean they're broke, just means I was playing bad players, or I was on the better side of lag.

                Anything is effective against bad players. I used to MOAB lobbys with the Spas 12 in MW3, but that thing wasnt broken,

                 

                I am pretty sure, if you, or me, played some guys who actually know what ther are doing (again, like me) then we wouldnt be pulling in 3+ KDs.

                 

                Its like I say, you cannot determine if anything is broken against morons with 0.8KDS. Play me a room full of 3KD+ TDMplayers in TDM, record it, post a 3KD with an SMG and they arent using any SMGS, and I will thoroughly concede to you that they are broken.

                 

                As for now, they are just very good and very overused, but not broken, something that is broken has no counters.

            • NoUseForKD Calculating status... 1 posts since
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              NoUseForKD     Jan 21, 2013 2:41 PM (in response to DatBigSwitcha2)

              Thank you for having some sort of sense.  All I ever see on these forums are whining.  It's nice to see someone who understands the game.

      • onlyUSEmeMARIO Apprentice 825 posts since
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        onlyUSEmeMARIO     Jan 21, 2013 11:44 AM (in response to Convict7)

        Try hipfiring a scar, they seem to destroy me, even when im running remi

    • Padiego Expert 2,478 posts since
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      Padiego     Jan 21, 2013 11:46 AM (in response to DatBigSwitcha2)

      I wouldnt call myself a good player but i wouldnt call myself a bad player either. I have a 2.19kd and a 2.34 w/l, 320 spm in tdm, 350 overall, 400 in dom. No da either, because for some reason i felt you would accuse me of using da. The only shotgun ive seen that challenges smgs is the r870  . all  other shotguns are easily beat by smgs. Not to mention smgs have better range.

  • phxs72 Master 3,627 posts since
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    phxs72     Jan 21, 2013 12:18 PM (in response to Padiego)

    I know that SMGs are good but I play a lot of DOM and have no trouble going toe to toe with them using ARs while keeping my engagements medium to long range (mostly medium).  Several ARs will beat them if you snap on target quick enough and I know that I'm not the best in the world by any stretch.  So its plenty doable.  Granted I play on the PS3.  Did the Wii get the SMG nerf that came out a month or so ago?  If not that might explain why you are having so much difficulty with them.

  • isman Novice 240 posts since
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    isman     Jan 21, 2013 1:20 PM (in response to Padiego)

    Cuz this game is revolved around hipfire you could prolli snipe someone just hipfiring thats why noone in this game ads cuz the auto aim does the work and gets the kill easily

  • nintendon\'t Master 3,906 posts since
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    nintendon\'t     Jan 27, 2013 6:10 PM (in response to Padiego)

    I'm probably gonna get thrown under the bus by the Wiimote fan club for saying this....

     

    Wouldn't removing the delay theoretically make the Wiimote's aim assist OP? Someone could keep spamming Z with Quickdraw to constantly lock onto enemies.....

    • Padiego Expert 2,478 posts since
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      Padiego     Jan 27, 2013 7:17 PM (in response to nintendon\'t)

      No, because there still is ads delay, even with quickdraw...not to mention there is a way to do some sort of lock on with DA. Doesn't really matter, its all going to get fixed in the patch....cant wait for that patch...

      • nintendon\'t Master 3,906 posts since
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        nintendon\'t     Jan 27, 2013 7:22 PM (in response to Padiego)

        I mean when the delay gets removed in the patch. People can just spam Z with quickdraw to abuse the Wiimote's snap on.

        • like2nap03 Master 2,529 posts since
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          like2nap03     Jan 27, 2013 11:56 PM (in response to nintendon\'t)

          It doesn't snap on to anything though does it?  I mean you can get it to stick if your ADS is dead on, but for me at least, that's more of a distraction than anything because it's so unexpected.  When I think of "snap on" I think all you  have to do is ADS near an enemy and it "snaps" onto them, which doesn't happen with either controller.  At least I couldn't get it to happen when testing the aim assist.

        • Padiego Expert 2,478 posts since
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          Padiego     Jan 28, 2013 7:15 AM (in response to nintendon\'t)

          return of wiimote supremacy. Now you will suffer like wii suffered. muwahahahahah!

    • Convict7 Master 1,257 posts since
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      Convict7     Jan 27, 2013 11:26 PM (in response to nintendon\'t)

      As a member of the Wiimote fan club, I promise you, I see someone doing something like that, I  WILL ******* KILL THEM, I WILL FIND THEM, I WILL TRAVEL ACCROSS THE WORLD IF I HAVE TO, BY THE END OF THE DAY KYLE, YOU WILL, SUCK, MY BALLS!

       

      No but seriously, I will be very sad if this would bring back the 1337 Wiimote Acog from that creature they once called modern warfare 3 Wii...

      • like2nap03 Master 2,529 posts since
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        like2nap03     Jan 28, 2013 12:01 AM (in response to Convict7)

        That wasn't so bad though.  It was annoying but normally only caused me a couple of deaths per match.  Then again once you found the sniper it was very easy to avoid them, sneak up on them, and kill them.  Of course I could also aim at a distance in that game too so that helped.

  • like2nap03 Master 2,529 posts since
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    like2nap03     Jan 27, 2013 7:24 PM (in response to Padiego)

    Just now watched the video.  That's cool that the next patch fixes the ADS accuracy delay he's talking about.  Wish I watched this sooner. 

  • Linyao Novice 358 posts since
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    Linyao     Jan 28, 2013 8:17 AM (in response to Padiego)

    SMGs are way too easy i used the pdw maxed it out i quit using them after learning they were nooby. I can't wait till they get some added recoil i do like one of them it is one of the weaker ones but i won't use them due to they are  nooby.

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