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100% agree, they are a total clusterphuc! This leads to the spawning issue's no matter how much they tweak the spawn logic. There to small to accept logical spawns and keep up with player tracking etc!!

Personally I'm indifferent on the topic - I guess my preference would be to have a balance, big, small, medium.....I'd like to have variety. 

What I did want to say though is that I see a lot of people on here wanting to have bigger maps.....But in defense of Treyarch (for once) from my experience that opinion is the minority.

There are a couple bigger maps and when they come up they are never picked in the lobbies I'm in.  Look how many votes something like Hijacked gets, or Nuketwon in the moshpit.  People go crazy for that, but when Yemen (or whatever it's called) comes up just watch all the people that leave the lobby if it's going to be played.

Now maybe that's due to design?  That they need better designed bigger maps.......But the lobbies I'm in seem to prefer the smaller fast paced maps.

Agree entirely with the OP. This is just anotherr run n' gun mapset from the MW3 mold.

The larger maps with obstacles mean that you have to run half way back across the map when you re-spawn just to find some action.

Worse : they are all rat runs with hard corners (you know it's a corner : there is a crate/barrel/pallet of cement bags to camp behind or set up a line of fire on :-(

Where are the beautiful contoured, multi-type maps like Array from BO1?

Instead, I just see the same few tiny tedious maps (Raid, Yemen, Hijacked) cycling around and around and around . . . 

In 25 hours playing, there are a couple of larger maps that I have only seen 4 or 5 times. Because they are screwed up.

What I don't like about these maps is that they all seem to have very lazy flank routes. Infact, they hardly feel like flank routes.

Meltdown, Raid and Plaza all have this side step route which I believe is a poor excuse for a flank. Other maps like Overflow I believe there is no real flank route. The dark alleyway in Overflow could have been a flank route if there wasn't headglitch spots perfectly alligned so the enemy could shoot you down the alleyway. And the other side of Overflow is filled with even more headglitch spots, it's amazing how hectic it is to manuveur in that map. I just miss the Black Ops 1 maps. That was the ONLY CoD where I actually enjoyed all maps. (Yes, even you Villa.)

I swear every single new COD the maps get smaller and along with the small maps come's bad spawning cause when the map is so small it takes like 15 seconds to run around the whole map and spawn kill everybody. with small maps everyone is running around with light weigth running to camp the other teams spawn cause they know they can get a easy killstreak cause there are only two team spawns on some maps like hijacked.

Another tactic is just plain simple camping if the whole team camps its a solid stradagey cause the maps are so small they know which way you will always be coming from. WHEN YOU MAKE SMALL MAPS YOUR JUST ASKING EVERYONE TO CAMP AND SPAWN KILL they make it to easy for campers. The level disigner's over at treyarch are getting lazy they don't even try anymore to make good maps. MW3 was no better if you ever pause the game while on interchange and look at the map the whole map is 3 lines going down and 4 line across so basically interchange is a giant tic tac toe board, hard hat is just a big circle with a middle part, mission is two square blocks for spawns and 4 lines with different sizes to connect the spawns and baakara (great name btw) is a giant box with a bunch of builings and walls placed randomly with a downe helicopter in the worst spot possible with very little cover.

All DLC sucks now too like all the stupid face off maps from mw3. WHY NOT JUST MAKE MORE MULTIPLAYER MAPS? people camp even more on the face off maps why you ask? CAUSE WHEN YOU MAKE SMALL MAPS YOUR JUST ASKING PEOPLE TO CAMP. if the maps were bigger people would be to busy looking for eachother to camp cause they cant just sit in the one spot where everyone spawns at or has to pass by because there would be multiple spawns and people could just go around and kill the camper from behind or skip the camper and dont even bother with him

Agree. The maps in BO2 are way too small (and badly designed) Spawn killing is the worst i have ever seen in any COD..  Especially on Hijacked..  try playing that on FFA... awful.

The game needs some big maps.. at least 2 really giant ones (for people who like sniping etc..) 

In fact, they need a balance of small, medium and large maps so that everyone will be happy.

Every map they make seems to get SMALLER!!

I only started playing COD with MW3 so I'm not too familiar with older maps. But, from MW3 to BO2, the maps are a lot smaller I think. I think the biggest map is probably Turbine and all the rest are either small/medium in sized by comparison. And as these maps are relatively small, all the crap they throw in the maps just makes things worse, case in point, Aftermath. I HATE playing aftermath/turbine/yemen since they're medium-ish sized maps but with all the buildings/passage ways/cars/etc, it's just a giant clusterphuck. You got people camping everywhere, afraid to move cuz if they do they'll get shot and it'll hurt their K/D and so on. Most of the BO2 maps are so small that you can put a guardian down anywhere and it'll get you quite a few kills.

In MW3, I liked Outpost even though lots of people hated it. It was a nice open map, for the most part with some decent sight lines as well as some close quarter areas as well. Seems like most of the BO2 maps are SMG/shotgun maps.

well we havent got the dlc maps yet but have to agree slightly, you can get used to blops2 maps over time but generally speaking the selection cant compare with mw2 and blops1, only yemen stands out as a very well designed classic map but the rest got nothing on rundown, invasion, karachi, underpass, strike, crash etc etc those older maps are works of art compared to blops2 and if you look at blops2 you'll find too much symettrical laziness as well, meaning you could draw a line down the middle of a map and one half will be the same as the other...

for me map design is almost everything in a great cod and only a couple of blops2 maps like yemen are truly great

Might as well just make a "map" that is nothing more than a tiny box that JUST fits in all 12 players and they spawn all facing eachother. Now all you gotta do is hold the trigger until you die, then keep that up until a team wins.

all i gotta say is drone, aftermath, carrier, turbine wtf treyarch. u wanted this to be fast paced but u made maps that make it impossible to find people before the time limit. the community hates campers but u made maps that make it super easy to hide anyway.

I was massivly dissapointed when i started playing this call of duty. i also totally agree that the maps are badly designed, i hate the fact that you are forced into such a rushed style of play. now personally its not a huge issue as i am capable of adjusting to this game, but it has taken the fun away for me. i consider myself a tactical player, and to be honest there is no tactics needed in this game. like many have said it comes down to who ever sprays first and thats it. Its truly dissapointing for players such as my self as its impossible to play the way you want too.

Treyarch seriously need to go back to the drawing board because this call of duty is a huge fail!

I wish i could enjoy this game but unfortunatly, due to the game deciding how i should play rather than me im not

The maps are horrible, all the fighting take place in one spot. Only way to use an AR is to headglitch which has basically taken out 3 weapon classes and left people with smg's and shotguns. Maybe the DLC maps will be larger but I'm not getting DLC until the connection is fixed.

too fast paced isnt really a bigger problem than games ending by time limit because nobody could find each other the whole game. nobody wants to play on a map that it takes 2-5 minutes to find some1 unless they really like battlefield. cod is supposed to be a fast paced blood pumping shooter and thats why campers are really looked down on by this community. some maps are too big and hijacked/nuketown is a tad too small. i think this game needs to find a healthy medium. maps like raid, slums and plaza are almost perfect (nothing is perfect) because everybody from a shotgun user to a sniper user can easily do well on those maps. maps like turbine, carrier, aftermath and drone favor the long range game way too much and those maps would play better if they were shrunk down considerably. less games would end by time limit on those maps, very rarely do i win a kill confirmed game on turbine by score limit and it really shouldnt be that way.