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TheSurgeon83 Apprentice 746 posts since
Jun 22, 2012

What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

Posted by TheSurgeon83 on Dec 12, 2012 2:45 AM

As the title says. I don't really see peoples K/Ds in lobbies as I mainly play KC, usually only see that when I play FFA. SPM in lobbies usually varies between around 200 and 450 most of the time, I know from the leaderboards though some people have 600-700 SPMs, god knows how they manage that.

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  • gdexter Expert 1,711 posts since
    Jun 7, 2012
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    Don't worry or pay attention to KDR, W/L or SPM.

     

    Just play the GAME as a GAME.

     

    Stats are for people with uber L337 Y0u7U8e channelzzzz

      • GlowNTheDark Novice 113 posts since
        Nov 19, 2012
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        Actually he summed up a good answer very well.

         

        At any rate, you can find the answers you are probably looking for if you search the forums for "average K/D ratio," as it's been brought up before.

         

        If that's too much trouble, it could be that the answer is much lower than you would think. If you were to ask most people here, they'd say "good," would be in the 2's or 3's, but that's not really representative of the 500,000 people that play at a given time.

         

        The majority of players are upside down on their KDR. (<1.0) If you can maintain >1.0 you're doing better than the majority of players. Is that good? Well...it's a subjective term when you really think about it, isn't it? If we compare to ALL players, then yes. But surely garnering a >1.0 isn't as impressive as doing it in a League with premiere players, is it?

         

        Of course, this argument doesn't stop here. You have to factor in play style. A person may have played for 20 hrs and have a KDR of 4.0, but a SPM of about 100 or less. So you look at their stats, and see they have 100 kills and 25 deaths in that 20 hours. So clearly, they go 2-1 and run and hide for the duration of the matches. (To the chagrin of all their teammates.)

         

        I'm not sure it's a question that can be satisfactorily quantified with any given values or logic. So really, you have to return to the original answer. Play the game and have fun. Don't worry about those numbers, because they don't mean anything.

        • uberdeath Calculating status... 40 posts since
          Jul 21, 2011
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          Is it not just a simple case of math in regard to KDR?

           

          1.0 would be the average across all players and game types because for every kill someone has someone else has a death although there would be some fluctuiation for suicides etc but it would be minimal.

  • Apprentice 1,409 posts since
    Nov 30, 2011
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    It all depends on your connection and playstyle.

  • VulcanArms Novice 274 posts since
    Aug 16, 2012
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    i hear that playing hardpoint is a game type that gives u a big SPM, i do have a higher SPM in that game mode over DOM. whats a good K/D? i guess its subjective, but in my opinion, if your holding down a K/D of 2 and above your doing somthing right. does this mean your a good player? not neccesarliy, as you can ignore the OBJ and go for kills in certain games types. to me a good player will got for the win in spite of his stas. its a funny topic as there are so many variables, really hard to give a definitive anser. but lets say that someone has a /K/D around 2.5, a W/L around 5 and up, and a SPM around 500 and up, AND plays the OBJ, be hard to say that person isnt  good player.

  • FixBlops2 Expert 2,020 posts since
    Dec 6, 2012
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    K/D depends on who you play against, the big youtubers for example play mostly versus noobs so of course they have a high K/D.

     

    I think 1.2 is good, depends on which gamemode you play. 2K/D players and more are mostly dashboarders, not all but many dashboard to protect their stats.

     

    SPM also depends on which game mode you play and how your playstyle it, leaving matches via menü will decrease your SPM by the way, don't know if dashboarding affect SPM cause i never dashboard.

  • Glynzx6r Novice 139 posts since
    Jul 19, 2012
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    I consider myself an average player who does play the objectives, my KD 1.29 and my SPM is 242. I play mostly DOM.

  • Trffc3s Newbie 20 posts since
    Dec 9, 2012
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    it doesnt matter whats your K/D is. you can camp and get high k/d. i consider my self as just average player and have .96 k/d and 315SPM. i like to run and gun. helping the team is my priority more than my k/d. so its all about how you enjoy your game. if you enjoy it, dont care about what other people say. ITS A GAME!

  • icadle Newbie 21 posts since
    Jun 20, 2012
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    i'D Say a 1.0 is an average KD. But all your guys talking about how KD doesn't matter. But you don't realise that in reality, KD matters! If your team is all going negative you won't have any score streaks to assist you. But all your deaths are aiding the oponent to destroy you harder.

    • maccabi Master 11,765 posts since
      May 31, 2011
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      icadle wrote:

       

      i'D Say a 1.0 is an average KD. But all your guys talking about how KD doesn't matter. But you don't realise that in reality, KD matters! If your team is all going negative you won't have any score streaks to assist you. But all your deaths are aiding the oponent to destroy you harder.

      i play dom i can get 1 kill and the first two caps and get all my scorestreaks and cycle from there..

      • icadle Newbie 21 posts since
        Jun 20, 2012
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        Won't matter against my team. You can get your UAV for yourself while we throw up Orbital VSat's, dogs and sworm.

        • maccabi Master 11,765 posts since
          May 31, 2011
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          icadle wrote:

           

          Won't matter against my team. You can get your UAV for yourself while we throw up Orbital VSat's, dogs and sworm.

          thank you exactly the answer i thought you were gonna give..

           

          so basically you just proved kdr is meaningless it doesn't measure skill it measures KILLS, if you have a high kdr because you use high death count scorestreaks where's the skill the games doing all the work to pad your kdr for you.

           

          and thats a such a cheap setup, those three scorestreaks combined will most of the time cycle themselves due to the assis points the generate.

          • icadle Newbie 21 posts since
            Jun 20, 2012
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            So your saying someone with a 3.0 is bad? Lol i beg to differ, if you can hold those stats throughout all 11 prestiges then you must be decent. Also LOL, you obviously have never had a VSAT, Dogs OR Sworm! For a VSAT you get a 25 assist bonus, so 4 assist's and it equals 1 kill. You don't overlap those streaks from another...

            • maccabi Master 11,765 posts since
              May 31, 2011
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              icadle wrote:

               

              So your saying someone with a 3.0 is bad? Lol i beg to differ, if you can hold those stats throughout all 11 prestiges then you must be decent. Also LOL, you obviously have never had a VSAT, Dogs OR Sworm! For a VSAT you get a 25 assist bonus, so 4 assist's and it equals 1 kill. You don't overlap those streaks from another...

              im saying someone with a 3kdr has a 3 kdr thats all nothing more nothing less, as a stat to measure "skill" or "worth" its meaningless .  when you hold that kdr without using any scorestreaks come back to me.

               

              also re the vsat/dogs/swarm   you must be doing it wrong, theres a ton of videos showing people going stoopidly high kills to deaths in games basically cycling those thre streaks.

               

              end of the day stats are stats, they can be manipulated, bragged about, epeen extended, berated..

               

              only stat i care about is the level of enjoyment i got from playing.

              • icadle Newbie 21 posts since
                Jun 20, 2012
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                Drop them yourself and base your facts on that. Yes i have overlaped my streaks once or twice. But you don't understand that 80% of the lobbys i drop those streaks on they backout or dashboard after which gives the winning team a loss.

            • GlowNTheDark Novice 113 posts since
              Nov 19, 2012
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              "So you're saying someone with a 3.0 is bad?"

               

              It depends the context. Nobody is impressed with a camper who goes 50-6 on kill confirmed with 0 confirms. Helped the team not at all if the kills were denied, for example.

          • MrJDubbs11 Novice 148 posts since
            Aug 23, 2012
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            K/D is one of the most important stats (not on this game) given all the problems (lag, spawn killing, bad spawns, etc). 

             

            If you are getting kills and streaks for that matter you are staying alive and supporting your team by makeing sure there are less enemies on the map to kill them.  As you stay alive and get kills you are rewarded for doing the right thing. Staying alive and getting kills.  I will not argue that this boosts your k/d it does but to get those streaks you had to do some stuff right.  Also, everyone has the same opportunity to use streaks, not everyone has the same ability to get those streaks. 

             

            If you are dying (going very negative) you are padding the opposing teams streaks and making it more difficult to capture or defend objectives for your team.  You also are not helping your team control the map, which should always be the number 1 priortiy.  Every game is pretty simple.

             

            1) Get kills

            2) Control the map and where the enemy spawns

            3) Capture any objectives

            4) Use your slaying skills and map control to maintain the objectives

            5) Continute to control the map by slaying and using streaks until the time expires

             

            If you are respawning you can't control, capture or defend and objective and you are taken out of position.  You are of no use to your team.  Staying alive matters.  Getting kills matters. 

    • Apprentice 1,409 posts since
      Nov 30, 2011
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      The reason K/D doesn't matter is because the lag makes the stats worthless. A good or bad K/D is pretty much mostly just a lag stat in COD.

  • Meldwyn Newbie 78 posts since
    Dec 9, 2011
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    Here's how I see it...  Take my last two games last night before bed (Domination is my game of choice):

     

    Second to last game on Yemen:  11 Kills, 19 Deaths (.58 KDR) SPM=336 Here's the kicker though  14 captures, 2 defends, and a victory of 166 vs 160.  That one was sweet!!  I was the highest scorer with over 4000 points btw.

     

    Last game was on Drone.  I went 20/19 with a KDR of 1.05.  SPM=255  I had 6 captures and 1 defend and we lost 126 vs 200.  I did well personally, but it doesn't mean much when we got stomped by a team that held most of the flags the second half of the game.

     

    Which one would you have enjoyed more?  For me... the first was sweetness!!  The second was entertaining but ultimately disappointing!

      • Meldwyn Newbie 78 posts since
        Dec 9, 2011
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        I have two different load outs for Domination.  I have named one the Run and Gun, where my main concern is kills and making sure I am picking off the snipers and other "camper/defenders" so that my team can advance and get B.

         

        The other load out uses smoke grenades and the Millimeter scanner sight (affectionately named Smoke and Mirrors).  I concentrate on captures and defends while using this loadout.  I usually use one for the first half and the other for the second depending on how things are going.  However, if one is doing the job, it will be the loadout all game.

         

        If you are having issues with captures, especially B, then create a loadout around smoke grenades, flak jacket, and maybe a bouncing betty or two.  You will find it a little easier to stay alive long enough to capture.

         

        Good luck, and yes the 14 capture game was a lot of fun.  Didn't even know I had that many until the end of the match.  Was too busy trying to win because it was down to the wire in the final minute.

  • phxs72 Master 3,627 posts since
    Feb 29, 2012
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    While there are exceptions to the rule as others have mentioned, I would say that anyone with a 1 kd or higher and a 200 SPM and up is at least a decent player and likely above average in BO2.  Someone more god like would be in the 1.5kd range with a 300+ SPM.  There are many factors which influence kd but to consistently manage both a high kd and a high SPM means that you have to be involved in the game and you have to have figured out quite a few solid tactics to keep those stats up there.

  • randomhero204 Apprentice 610 posts since
    Oct 7, 2011
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    Mine is 1.15

     

    I rush hard. Also it's not a kid thing to look at spm.. I have a ten year old family friend who sucks at cod and played 1 game of FFA and he somehow went 27-9 and his spm is like 700 now and now he is ranked top 8000 in the world lmao and he thinks he's te best now haha I just have to smh. Because he won't get play FFA again becuse if he does he will obviously loose his rank. The more time played the lower your spm will be it takes time for it to even out. Mine at around 350-400 and I have 3 days played I think? I'm sixth prestige.

  • xmrythem Apprentice 927 posts since
    Dec 3, 2012
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    I think SPM is dependent on the game you play. K:D is dependent on your style of play.

     

    I play HC CTF I am our mid player I have a 1.8 K:D and an SMP of 376

  • r0sstitute Apprentice 72 posts since
    Jul 3, 2011
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    I consider myself a above average player most of the time, holding a 1.4 K/D and 350 SPM. I play for the objective though, so I don't really care too much for K/D. Also, for me to continue having fun playing this with all of the lag issues etc, I have to mix it up a little with strange but fun classe

     

    Some games I'll go negative trying to win, other times I slay, like my 94 - 4 game the other day. It just comes down to what YOU consider a good player.

  • Restore_Hardcore Expert 2,260 posts since
    Dec 10, 2012
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    Keeping above 1.0 and helping your team win is good. TDM with wannabe rushers who go 10-16 are the ones who lose the match for the team. If you're getting shot up, stop rushing and lockdown an area with your squad. Its not camping, it's strategy. Thats how me and my bros do it.

  • r33k Apprentice 629 posts since
    Nov 14, 2012
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    SPM is all that matters.

     

    average SPM is in the 300's

  • Griefbot Apprentice 878 posts since
    Feb 20, 2012
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    According to Elite, I have a 1.04 and SPM of 278.

     

    I  play a lot of domination, so I die a lot because I am obsessed with B and rushing.   I also play a lot of KC, and Im not sure how that affects your SPM.

     

    I usually get at least top 3, so I guess that would be about an average score.

  • JSlayer211 Apprentice 758 posts since
    Mar 17, 2012
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    Average player would be somewhere around 1.25 k/d and 250 SPM. SPM though does NOT reflect your camping habits as depicted earlier. You can achieve a beastly SPM from camping and calling streaks that devastate the other team. I don't get how people equate SPM=movement. From 90% of all high kill videos I have watched, it was achieved through running a very small route in one particular area of the map. They were not rushing a full on assault on the opposing spawn, they were small area camping with minimal movement.

     

    Long story short, these stats are really just the broad strokes to give you a general idea of playstyles. No stat will truly be player defining as you get better/worse with time and your stats may not immediately reflect that change in you gameplay. When I started MW3, my k/d was in the garbage. I learned the system/maps and became a much better player yet my k/d was around .7. I would get into games and completely destroy people sometimes. So don't put too much stock into the stats. It doesn't really mean a lot.

  • MrJDubbs11 Novice 148 posts since
    Aug 23, 2012
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    I always thought that win/loss and win streaks were the most important stat to look at.  When you see people with 1500, 100 or 500 wins in a row you know these groups are organized and are going to be tough competition.

     

    All stats are and can be misleading. 

     

    Given all the people that quit matches and how the system gives you a loss when the other team dashboards all statistics are essentially useless in this game.  Also, the stats don't take into account when you are playing with a team and when you are playing with randoms. 

     

    For instance a player might be a 3 k/d, 350-400 SPM 95% win ratio player when playing with a full team but a 1.5 k/d, 280 SPM, 40% win ratio player when playing with randoms.  If that player plays on his own with randoms more often say 80% of the time than naturally he or she is going to have lower stats.  It does not make them a worse player it just means that he or she is better as part of a team. 

     

    I guess the way to gauge what level player you are would be to play league play and see where you rank.  If you rank in the top divisions you are a good player, if you rank in the lower divisions you are average to poor.

  • Mess1ahBrowny Novice 298 posts since
    Oct 31, 2012
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    i think when you max out then your k/d should be loked at..i started out and my k/d was 4.2 now am presitge 9 and my k/d always around 1.7 - 2.0 early on in the game your k/d is bound to be high

  • JSlayer211 Apprentice 758 posts since
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    They should have a Games Quit stat. Then you can see how big of a failure these people with high K/D's are with over 70% of their games quit.

  • iivrruummii Master 3,878 posts since
    Sep 23, 2011
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    A disire to win makes you a good player.

  • CowboySr Master 3,765 posts since
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    The correct answer to this question can only be answered with a more specific question. The game modes are all very different as is the scoring.   SPM is a good indicator of how active you are, but not to whether you are helping your team. I can run around in TDM going 25-40 and have a good SPM but am I better than the guy who went 10-8? Nope.  In TDM +/- is the only stat that means anything at all, and its not tracked.  K/D in TDM is generally a good indicator over time of how you contribute, but not as important as +/-.    The guy who was 6-3 is not better then the guy who went15-10 although the former will have a better K/D.   SPM means nothing in TDM.   

     

    In Domination captures, and defends mean something.  But SPM is misleading and so is K/D because the guy defending a flag that sees little action is playing an important role. The guy who gives up 40 deaths a round to the other team in killstreaks can be judged too.

     

    In SnD +/- again is the best indicator and its not tracked. K/D is a decent indicator, but SPM means nothing.

     

    In the end I think what people are saying is the stats that are tracked in this game are not a good indicator of how to judge whether someone is good or not, so dont worry about them.

    • maccabi Master 11,765 posts since
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      CowboySr wrote:

       

       

      In the end I think what people are saying is the stats that are tracked in this game are not a good indicator of how to judge whether someone is good or not, so dont worry about them.

      /agree

       

      i have a pretty low kdr and spm but on the dom leaderboards have 100's more caps and defends than anyone else above me.

       

      i also rock a really good w/l for dom

       

      spm kdr means bugger all for obj games

  • blackti3 Calculating status... 3 posts since
    Aug 2, 2011
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    I would say that first you look at their SPM and see where they sit on the lobby leaderboard.  I'd say anywhere within the top 200,000 players for that particular gametype means they're pretty good (of course this also depends on the popularity of the gametype).  Secondly, look at their K/D ratio.  If they're within that 200,000 top players and they have a positive K/D ratio, I'd say they're quite good.  I'm pretty good at Kill Confirmed, I'm ranked 56,631 with a SPM of 493 and K/D of 1.75.  That being said, Kill Confirmed isn't as popular as TDM, so I'd be ranked lower in that gametype w/those same stats.

  • Roush Novice 190 posts since
    Nov 6, 2011
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    the only correct K/D is in deathmatch. Overall K/D doesn't count in my book since it includes objective games. If you're above 1.0 in TD then you're doing good.

    • blackti3 Newbie 3 posts since
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      I still think K/D is very important in objective games.  I can't tell you how many times I've played with people who play the objective but don't make an effort to win gun battles.  They rush the objective (Domination/Hardpoint specifically) and get killed 4 or 5 times before they actually capture it.  This leads to our team leading the match for the first 25% or so but then the other team starts calling in score streaks.  Now because of teammates who are 5 kills and 26 deaths, the other team starts hammering us with lightning strikes, turrets, dragon fires, etc.  I've lost plenty of matches due to the opposing team's score streaks.  So even though someone may have 5 or 6 captures, their terrible KD leads to the other team being able to win the game.

  • warzh311ion Expert 2,235 posts since
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    Stats in this game are meaningless. Until they stop allowing idiots to kill farm in the objective games k/d means nothing. It takes no skill to run around the map away from the objective and pick off people who are PLAYING THE OBJECTIVE.

     

    This also means w/l means nothing because someone may have a poor w/l due to idiot teammates sitting back going for kills and not caring if they win.

     

    SPM also is meaningless since not all game types are equal.

     

    Also, many people in this game have connection issues. Until that is resolved not everyone is on equal ground.

    • maccabi Master 11,765 posts since
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      warzh311ion wrote:

       

       

      This also means w/l means nothing because someone may have a poor w/l due to idiot teammates sitting back going for kills and not caring if they win.

       

       

      reads that as 4rum is full of idiots ....

       

      oh wait eu4m is part of 4rum crap it is

  • myevo8you Apprentice 767 posts since
    Nov 29, 2011
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    SPM is hard to judge because there is a very wide adjustment say from HCTDM to Hardpoint. Mode based SPM and K/D is what matters. In HCTDM a VERY good SPM is around 200-225, while in HC CTF the lower side of SPM is around 225. All you get score for in TDM are kills, so if a game goes 10 minutes and a guy has 20 kills, its a 200 SPM.

  • Tick7 Apprentice 606 posts since
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    Crap/Average KD = 1.00

     

    Good KD = 1.50ish

     

    Very good KD = 1.75ish - 1.9

     

    Great KD = 2.0 +

     

     

    SPM - purely based on what you play. TDM Score per minute for example, will always be lower than any other game mode.

     

    But on average - Great SPM = 400+

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