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8_x Novice 426 posts since
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How many of you refuse to buy any DLC or Elite content till this game is fixed?

Posted by 8_x on Dec 3, 2012 9:42 PM

AR power, Ghost, Blackhat, teammate care package steals, console freeze, party disruption, etc.

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  • trialstardragon Master 10,311 posts since
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    trialstardragon     Dec 3, 2012 10:17 PM (in response to 8_x)

    No matter how many say they wont there will be those that will so 3arc does not really have to care about those that claim they will not buy the dlc.

     

    the number of posts that say they will not will be small in comparison to those that actually will. it is like this every time the game gomes out and even when people like you or anyone else makes statements about not buying more, others still do. So 3arc does not have to fear or care if you chose not to do so. In their eyes it is your loss and not theirs.

    • Pinnathgelin Newbie 72 posts since
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      Pinnathgelin     Dec 3, 2012 11:26 PM (in response to trialstardragon)

      I most likely won't be due to the screw over on PC the only way I will buy maps for this game is if they aren't **** ones like they are now, so lmg and ar actually have a chance if not then I won't be and I'll drop the game all together, if they sort out a couple of issues aswell in the download then I will also

    • sixthsamurai Novice 159 posts since
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      sixthsamurai     Dec 4, 2012 4:19 AM (in response to trialstardragon)

      If they really thought that they would be going against every business rule in the book. Plus knives would work, patches would be non existent and these forums wouldn't even exist. Sure it feels like they don't listen at times but at other times it feels like they've listened too much. A balance is clearly too difficult to achieve for any developing team. I imagine they'd rather just create a game the best they can in as much time as they need and then read the sales figures to judge it's success like it was before the Internet. But that's not how things work in the communication era. Now a company has to appear to respond and try to incorporate changes based on majority opinion within it's customer base. It's hit and miss. The only thing really going for them in a sales way is the ever rising population count. If you really want to screw them over then get a vasectomy.

    • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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      8_x     Dec 4, 2012 6:14 AM (in response to trialstardragon)

      Of course they do, you silly troll.

       

      I am a developer, and after we release an application we spend most of our time fixing bugs, and improving the product to maximize customer satisfaction and sales.

       

      I don't know what Nazi development philosophy you are fantasizing about, but its not real.

       

      You might want to see a Dr about your delusions.

      • trialstardragon Master 10,311 posts since
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        trialstardragon     Dec 4, 2012 1:48 PM (in response to 8_x)

        Actually no they do not need to care or worry about it. Because they know there will be those that will buy it even if others claim they will not.

         

        Just because you are developer does not mean you understand how 3arc thinks about the game or what they will do or not.

         

        I been playing this series long enough to know the truth about what they do and dont do and why.

         

        the comments and threats about not buing the dlc on this forum really do not mean a lot since this forum makes up less than 10% of the players that play the game. This forum is the minority in truth and always has been.

         

        So when ever anyone makes threats they generally ignore them because the numbers speak for themselves in the end.

         

        Just you do not seem to understand this.

        • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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          8_x     Dec 4, 2012 9:22 PM (in response to trialstardragon)

          You really don't know what you are talking about kiddo.

           

          You obviously know nothing about the development process in business.

          • trialstardragon Master 10,311 posts since
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            trialstardragon     Dec 5, 2012 5:47 AM (in response to 8_x)

            Actually I do know what I am talking about when it comes to this company and this game franchise. You obviously do not though.

             

            Game development and application development are two different types of beasts and are not the same in how they work especially for a company like 3arc or IW. Had you been playing this series as long as I have you would understand that. But since you dont I can guess you have not been playing them for all that long.

             

            3arc does not try to keep everyone happy, they never have and never will. So stop assuming that they do or will or have too.

  • Captin_chaos Newbie 91 posts since
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    Captin_chaos     Dec 4, 2012 6:51 AM (in response to 8_x)

    agreed money better spent eslewhere, unless they care to fix this poor poor game

    • Kl4nt Newbie 71 posts since
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      Kl4nt     Dec 4, 2012 7:20 AM (in response to Captin_chaos)

      I agree as well. I'm disturbed by the fact they haven't released some sort of fix for at least some of the major issues.

       

      Usually I play CoD and only CoD for a few months or more after release. For the first time ever I'm ready for a new game less than a month after release.

       

      It's in horrible shape right now, on the verge of unplayable, something needs to be done SOON.

  • Ungrateful_Dead Novice 411 posts since
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    Ungrateful_Dead     Dec 4, 2012 9:42 AM (in response to 8_x)

    I don't have any big problem with any of the "issues" on your list, but I won't be buying and DLC for this game.  Elite "premium" wasn't worth it last time, even with the extra DLC maps; most of the time I ended up disabling them to get into a decent lobby.

     

    I am finding myself playing BO2 less as the frustration of the PS3 multiplayer goes on.  You may get a couple of godlike games where you are on the magic side of the lag/lag comp curtain, but more often than not I end up completely unable to kill anybody who isn't AFK. 

     

    The issues are far beyond tweaks to weapons, perks and scorestreaks.  I won't be buying any Black Ops DLC, because I probably won't be playing the game.

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    Futura-MOG-     Dec 4, 2012 10:40 AM (in response to 8_x)

    I made the mistake of trusting them and I purchased the season pass when I bought the game. Pre buying DLC on a game that is terribly broken at launch was a mistake I made and will have to learn from. They already made their money, don't expect to be supported or listened to.

  • Captin_chaos Newbie 91 posts since
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    Captin_chaos     Dec 4, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to 8_x)

    they will have to release DLC soon, before there is no one left playing..

     

    the numbers seem to be dropping by the day

     

    numbers dont drop like this on a game that is 4 weeks old......:(

     

    its not just us that is suffering this junk.  its Infinity Ward and Activision that will take the brunt of this terrible release (future non-sales)

    • snipenociousdisability Calculating status... 24 posts since
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      snipenociousdisability     Dec 4, 2012 2:33 PM (in response to Captin_chaos)

      They don't care if the numbers of players drop, you already bought the game.

      • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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        8_x     Dec 4, 2012 9:23 PM (in response to snipenociousdisability)

        Not true, Snipe.

         

        That is not how game or application development works.

         

        Especially in the gaming world, where companies have to scramble for any way to make money that they can.

         

        They absolutely have to listen to the complaints of the community, and they do.

        • trialstardragon Master 10,311 posts since
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          trialstardragon     Dec 5, 2012 5:42 AM (in response to 8_x)

          Wrong, they do not have to scrambe, they do not have to do what ever the customer wants. And if you think this is true then it just proves how little you know about 3arc or IW or activision and how they make games.

           

          They do not ever try to make everyone happy. they know full well that there will be some that will be unhappy and they accept this.

           

          Application development is nothing like game development. Especially if you are EA or Activision and the companies underneath them.

           

          No matter what you try and claim, they will not fear it nearly as much as you hope they will. You are just lieing to yourself and anyone else that reads what you say.

           

          I have been playing this series long enough and seen lots of threats and comments like yours and nothing ever came from it. You can not demand or command them to do anything. You do not control them. You cannot threaten them or make posts like this and think they will obey them or do as you wish or as you want.

           

          Yet year after year after year, people like you come to these forums and think you can do that and that they will listen and they never do.

           

          They do not care if the number of people in this thread do not buy the dlc. the number of people in this thread make up less than 1% of 1% of the playerbase, so the thread is meaningless to them other than that it shows some people are unhappy with some things.

           

          But it will not force them to bend to you will or grant your desires or wishes. And if you think it will, you are a complete fool.

          • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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            8_x     Dec 5, 2012 6:15 AM (in response to trialstardragon)

            You are wrong, troll.

             

            In all of your posts on this forum, you say one thing:

             

            1. Game developers don't care what we say.

             

             

             

             

            What are you gaining from saying this over and over? Are you being paid to say this same thing over and over and over?

             

            If you are, I would be embarassed to be your employer.

             

            I know lots of game devs and application devs, and patches as well as updates based on customer feedback is most definitely part of the process. So, you are again saying nothing of value.

            • trialstardragon Master 10,311 posts since
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              trialstardragon     Dec 5, 2012 7:21 AM (in response to 8_x)

              Wrong, what I say is they do not care nearly as much as you think they do or should. They do not look at every post and say, "yeah we need to do this right away!" They look at the post and then at the telmetrics they get from the game and then decide what needs to be done. They do not just go soley off of these posts on what needs to be fixed or not. Nor do they immeadiately go, "Oh no we upset some players we need to fix it now before they chose not to buy more."

               

              They know they cannot keep everyone happy all the time, so they only really work on what is the biggest issues in the game. and ghost and how it works really is not the biggest issue. So it does not have the level of priority that you may think it should or would.

               

              Nor is the fact that some people do not like being added to an already going game. for someone has to take those spots and they know who ever it is usually will not be happy about it. That issue has been beat around so many times over the past several years that nothing has ever been done about it, and nothing will this game either.

               

              Maybe in the next game they make, but not this game. Maybe in th next game they will have ghost be different again, but they are doubtfuly going to change it this time just to make a few happy again.

               

              Most players hated ghost and how it was abused in the past game.

  • SitRepPro Expert 2,023 posts since
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    SitRepPro     Dec 4, 2012 11:08 AM (in response to 8_x)

    I will review the DLC but that's in terms of map layout as I don't want an SMG-fest otherwise I can stick to standard maps if there's no variety for gun usage.

    • IndyOldGuy Novice 418 posts since
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      IndyOldGuy     Dec 4, 2012 4:50 PM (in response to SitRepPro)

      SitRepPro wrote:

       

      I will review the DLC but that's in terms of map layout as I don't want an SMG-fest otherwise I can stick to standard maps if there's no variety for gun usage.

      My thoughts exactly,  I been getting killed by pistols from what seems to me to be ridiculously long range of late, also, did you know, if you slap on ext conditioning, and start running with your combat knife, you can run from your spawn, all the way off the edge of the carrier on that supposed large map,

      which means, on most of these maps, you can most likely sprint from one side of the map, all the way to the other, I see alot of people running pistol and knife only now with no primary weapon, is this really what we want, to make AR's, snipers, and LMG's obsolete in this series?

      Please,  bigger maps,

      thanks

  • The2ndKIRA Calculating status... 2 posts since
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    The2ndKIRA     Dec 4, 2012 11:29 AM (in response to 8_x)

    Not to be contrary, but I do believe the developers have an intent to remedy some of the glaring inefficiences of the game. Just as they respond to consumer input in the features that they provide, I'm confident that they address bugs, glitches, and imbalances with equal attention. Patience is really, really, really, difficult....But my hope is that our patience will pay off because this is an awesome title!

    • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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      8_x     Dec 4, 2012 9:25 PM (in response to The2ndKIRA)

      Now that is how it is said.

       

      My thoughts exactly Kira.

       

      I am just trying to help inspire and light a fire under their butts in the meantime.

  • balvenieguy Newbie 13 posts since
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    balvenieguy     Dec 4, 2012 2:40 PM (in response to 8_x)

    Treyarch isn't getting a single dime more of my money until things are fixed. Why add new paint to a car that's rusted?

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    Meatball     Dec 4, 2012 2:42 PM (in response to 8_x)

    they made over 500 million off us already.. do you think a few people not buying the DLC is going to do anything?

     

    i like your idea.. i really do and as much as i hate the game right now, I'm still going to get the DLC because i am already bored of the maps

    • balvenieguy Newbie 13 posts since
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      balvenieguy     Dec 4, 2012 3:31 PM (in response to Meatball)

      Game is $60 - DLC is $50 - I'd say it will impact them some if people don't buy

      • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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        8_x     Dec 4, 2012 9:26 PM (in response to balvenieguy)

        Hell yeah Balvenie. You know your stuff.

         

        They certainly have to worry about selling more stuff. they are far from set financially.

  • cymbolmonkey115 Novice 160 posts since
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    cymbolmonkey115     Dec 4, 2012 3:55 PM (in response to 8_x)

    Treyarch did one thing.. which I've noticed since WAW... they looked at everyone be obsessed with the game because of one thing! MP40... it was a powerful weapon... everyone used it because it was ******* easy... I hated the ****. That and the Thompson were ridiculous and I hated them for it... but Zombies and 4 player campaign made the game great.

     

    They took away 4 player campaign..which sucks, they made zombies a little less like they tried (they made zombie videos like a little story before, now they don't) I like the EE but I do enjoy the cool looking videos and the song in there.. it's pretty cool.

     

    Anyway, as I was saying, they obviously make certain weapons OP for a reason or they are just sooooo ******* retarded that they don't know how to make weapons equal.. I think it could be either really..  MP40 was what made everyone talk, it was even featured in Blops zombies maps.

     

    Has anyone noticed the Galil in Blops 2 zombies?! There is more than that as well...because they were popular weapons.. What they don't think about is the COD hardcore fans that may have come from the very first game or from COD4 which I only did because some friends kept talking about it.

     

    COD4 was without doubt still the best game. Why? Because they balanced all of the weapons!

    Now they are making this game for 5 year olds... there is no recoil on hardly any of the weapons... you can aim and it will follow people behind walls, bullet penetration is high, RoF is high, damage is high.

     

    The reason why this game sucks so much donkey dick is because they have stopped putting recoil on guns making it harder for them to use their stupid heads to make low damage for low recoil weapons, slow RoF for bullet penetration, anything fast would be weak but balanced. Anything slow would be strong but of course a lot harder to use but still had advantages...


    How many people use an LMG? Barely anyone, because they fire slower, they weigh more, you need attachments for them, slow reloads, higher recoil than the SMG?!?!?

     

    If I was head of Treyarch and this was the result of multiplayer I would bitchslap them and literally crap on their cheques and say "buy food with that, you useless *****" because quite honestly... long term fans should be more appreciated than shitty newcomers that don't know how to play.

     

    When I first played COD4... I got owned by all the 10th prestige level 55s. I learned tips from them... I slowly became the top player in almost every game I've ever played. That game gave everyone a chance to take cover from damage, for killstreaks and to work as a team. WAW even implemented more of a team play. Not any more... it's just run and gun.. This game and others after WAW has killed any tactical fun...

    • cymbolmonkey115 Novice 160 posts since
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      cymbolmonkey115     Dec 4, 2012 3:59 PM (in response to cymbolmonkey115)

      Sorry for the rant^^^... I decided to quit smoking a few weeks back and this game makes me want to get cancer quicker.. lol I think really it's just the lag that needs sorting mainly.. maybe some tweaks here and there...

    • SitRepPro Expert 2,023 posts since
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      SitRepPro     Dec 5, 2012 1:03 AM (in response to cymbolmonkey115)

      cymbolmonkey115 wrote:

       


      How many people use an LMG? Barely anyone, because they fire slower, they weigh more, you need attachments for them, slow reloads, higher recoil than the SMG?!?!?

       

      Yeah the performance of LMGs vary too much when attachments are used.  You don't have fast mags as an attachment for LMGs because it appears 3arc thought that would make LMGs overpowered.  They are the last of weapons to be ever overpowered.  The QBB LSW also appears to have hit detection issues adding to the problem.  I never get any "wtf just die will ya" moments when I have used the LSAT but I'm after diamond camo so I'll stick with it until I've finished the challenges.

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    TwilightBl1tz     Dec 4, 2012 4:02 PM (in response to 8_x)

    What is wrong with ghost? and Black thingy?  gotta agree with the stealing. and the knife is horrible to. i miss 9 out of 10 times yet i'm dryhumping the enemy

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    Gurt__19     Dec 4, 2012 4:05 PM (in response to 8_x)

    I refuse to buy the season pass for that reason yes, but also because it's pointless buying it when we can't even get the maps yet. Especially for the fact that Xbox gets the maps before PS3.. such bullcrap. Microsoft needs to learn to just play like everybody else, Wii, PS3 and the PC version.

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      SitRepPro     Dec 5, 2012 1:05 AM (in response to Gurt__19)

      Gurt__19 wrote:

       

      I refuse to buy the season pass for that reason yes, but also because it's pointless buying it when we can't even get the maps yet. Especially for the fact that Xbox gets the maps before PS3.. such bullcrap. Microsoft needs to learn to just play like everybody else, Wii, PS3 and the PC version.

       

      You mean like EA with Sony with respect to Battlefield?

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        Trendall     Dec 5, 2012 6:17 AM (in response to SitRepPro)

        That was because EA promised the Free battlefield game for the PS3 but didnt not fulfill that promise so they said instead of sony sueing us we will give them 1 week exclusive accsess.

         

        If activision made a **** up and microsoft was going to sue them im sure they will say next game is yours microsoft please dont sue us!

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        rduncan3488     Dec 6, 2012 8:05 AM (in response to SitRepPro)

        gurt xbox gets things earlier b.c we pay for online play. DUH

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    catharsism     Dec 4, 2012 4:41 PM (in response to 8_x)

    I will HAPPILY buy the DLC the moment they fix ghost, till then it's a waste of money to buy another map that's built entirely around SMG's

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    radical_53     Dec 5, 2012 1:29 AM (in response to 8_x)

    Even the fact alone that there are only 4 Hardcore playlists (well 3 to me as I can't take FFA seriously) would be enough to skip the pass or any DLC.

    Add lag compensation and bad matchmaking on top and you're done basically.

  • Trendall Newbie 29 posts since
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    Trendall     Dec 5, 2012 6:15 AM (in response to 8_x)

    I got this game for free so im not fussed!

     

    Best thing to do is buy the games in the shrink wrap carfully open it one end take the case out take the cd and inserts replace with blank cd and crappy paper to make it feel and sound legit then place it back in the shrink wrap and seal it up with a hot knife or tiny ammounts of super glue.

     

    Take back to the shop and get a full refund!

     

    Its a big F*** Y** to Activision, So yeah i will buy the DLC mainly for zombies gotta keep it legit a bit i guess!

     

    (I did not do the above but i know people that do And my free version of the game has a reciept)

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      XGunsmokeX     Dec 6, 2012 7:06 AM (in response to Trendall)

      That is not a big FU to Activision, it is screwing the place where you bought it, and being a pain to the unlucky person who bought the one returned (who has to deal with the time and hassle involved in the return process.)

      The "people that do" that you know are freaking low rent, blights on society.

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    YouniqueName     Dec 5, 2012 9:23 AM (in response to 8_x)

    Me, but they've already won just by me buying the game. I'm certain however that their next game won't get nearly as many numbers. Even Zombie people aren't happy, and that's got to be near 50% of their sales...

     

    Cheers,

    - Younique

    • 8_x Novice 426 posts since
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      8_x     Dec 5, 2012 6:18 PM (in response to YouniqueName)

      Yeah, but they need to sell the content for the game.

       

      So, they want the players to be happy.

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    avaks     Dec 6, 2012 5:21 AM (in response to 8_x)

    Even if they fix it I won't support Activision any more! Greedy wallet thinking reapers...
    If there were no zombies I would not bought this 1 neither :/
    Looks like COD franchise died after MW1 (even Bops1 was promising but this 1 is disaster).

     

    Cheers!

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      8_x     Dec 6, 2012 7:02 AM (in response to avaks)

      I love MW3, because I am a rusher, and its a lot of fun for rushing. At the same time, the perks allow snipers to camp out as well as quick scope, and the ARs are well balanced.

       

      So, me and my friends have just been playing that as we wait for a BOPS2 update to see if they take their heads out of their ***

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