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People who Hate BO2~

Posted by ERROR_6_ on Nov 26, 2012 7:02 AM

Ok so I think we all understand the problems of this game, I myself have threatened the game, by saying "screw this back to Mw3" but I havent and here is why:

 

this game has a different dynamic, it isnt like mw3, you cant play it like how you played Mw3.. People use to run and gun hip fire spam kill streaks and  were spoiled by assassin pro, also you cant rely on  sitrep pro (awareness) its not as strong.. which is a good thing...

 

here is what Ive seen in the game..

 

the people who were "good at mw3, who had great kds,  3.0 ish talked trash in the game, spawn killed etc. are now going negative, or are at 1. nothing kd.. these are the players who are complaining and cannot adapt to how this game should be played... because they are playing it like mw3 and getting eaten alive..

 

in this game, we all start out as noobs, until we find what works for us, what classes score streaks map awareness.. people want to be awsome right out of the box, and it doesnt happen like that.

 

 

So Chilllll. experiment, play to just have fun, and it will figure itself out

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  • phxs72 Master 3,644 posts since
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    phxs72     Nov 26, 2012 7:13 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    I couldn't agree more.  Play this game like you did in MW3 and you will get eaten alive.  I'm still trying to figure it out but it seems like they have staged it so that the pure camper or the pure run and gunner are going to lose.  You have to find that blend of the two in order to be successful.  I was already using a blended model in MW3 but I am finding that I am too run and gun for BO2.  So I'm adapting to slow down.  Others may need to speed up but regardless it's going to take a change in strategy to get the most out of BO2.  The growing pains can be frustrating but I like a good strategy game and this one is forcing me out of my comfort zone which in all actuality is a good thing.  Even if I do find myself raging from time to time.

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      ERROR_6_     Nov 26, 2012 7:56 AM (in response to phxs72)

      exactly... the lag is whats killing me.. i set the option to " best" and i feel like it is a worse experience then keeping it at normal.. but i know everyone is experiencing it so nothing you can do lol

      • Xx_PORKY_xX Novice 114 posts since
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        Xx_PORKY_xX     Nov 26, 2012 8:07 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

        Semi true to what you're saying but trying to adapt to a game that has some serious issues with the lag compensation & now the spawning system makes it hard to find that even balance to make the gaming experiance a good one.

        There's now spwan trapping happening which was supposed to be fixed,,hacking the leaderboards which no doubt messes with servers maybe im not sure.

        All in all it is a good game it's just theres certain players that have been given the crap end of the stick and suffer me being one.

        You see these that have 3.00+ kd on the game camp on the kill cam that has 2 bullet kills no spawning near them etc. so.... yeah

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    zvers     Nov 26, 2012 8:12 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    I agree with your take 100%.

     

    I have had my WTF moments and anger at getting killed by an SMG with 2 bullets but I am also using many of the same tactics like before. IMO, it's too easy to get head shots with snipers in this game and why would an SMG out gun an LMG at close range??? Bigger bullet should tear you up. There are many small things that do bother me BUT I am still tweaking how I play to get the best experience out of this installment. I had a 2.17 k/d in BO, 2.04 in MW3 and now I am at a 1.94. Sucks but I do agree that you must adapt to the new system to get back on top. It's not easy especially after playing so many CoD's with the same tactics.

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      ERROR_6_     Nov 26, 2012 8:24 AM (in response to zvers)

      yeah i was over a 2.1 in mw3, and now im a 1.77, lol its a pain, but once we figure it out, it will be business as usual

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        zvers     Nov 26, 2012 8:26 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

        I hoping man....it can be frustrating as hell! I am just running through all kinds of combinations to see what really works best for my playstyle. Maybe I might atcually have become an SMG user....

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          ERROR_6_     Nov 26, 2012 8:35 AM (in response to zvers)

          yeah I have 1 or 2 smg classes, i never was huge on that myself, i was always a mk14 user, so naturally I unlocked the Fal.. cant say I like it as much but i am liking the 3 burt AR.. use a fore grip and automatic, with a stock and its pretty good.

           

          check out some you tube videos... tips and tricks... that has helped me some

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            phxs72     Nov 26, 2012 9:52 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

            Try the SMR.  It's the FAL's bigger brother.  It kills like the MK14 but feels a little heavier to me.

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              ERROR_6_     Nov 26, 2012 9:58 AM (in response to phxs72)

              ive messed with it, seemed like it shot slower.. i just worry about the space between shots would screw me, but i donno ill pick it up, check it out again

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    mp7headshot     Nov 26, 2012 9:17 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    What are you smoking? I haven't seen one thread about I can't run n gun or I can't camp.

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    Elite-Rebel-XX     Nov 26, 2012 9:56 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    I wish people would stop trying to boost their K/D and Just win and play the objective and I also agree about adapting, people need to adapt to this more skilled based CoD.

     

    I just wish 3ARC would get rid of K/D.

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    DreamRPR     Nov 26, 2012 6:13 PM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    BO2 is different you got that right, in a way they made it more camper friendly which is what everyone is doing  because they are too scared to run around the map and get used to it. MW3 had its campers but you knew where they were in the maps the " obvious camp spots" in BO2 they added 234 different windows etc to just post up with shock charges and bouncing bettys etc.

     

    MW3 was more fast paced which is why people got their kill streaks etc faster then some people, if you thought the spawn killing in MW3 was bad, just wait and see how it is in BO2, 3x as bad.

     

    They also ruined Search and Destroy with the " Target Finder" attachment not everyone wants to play cold blooded.

     

    BO2 will take some time getting used to but they still need to learn a few things from MW3.

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      Adam1234567892     Nov 26, 2012 9:11 PM (in response to DreamRPR)

      Um no they need to get as far away from MW3 as they can cause I am getting tired of campers getting their way.

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        NameYouCantHate     Nov 28, 2012 11:57 AM (in response to Adam1234567892)

        I agree completely. this game is just modern warfare 3 all over again. i dont see how/why they have made exactly the same mistakes that mw3 made

    • ERROR_6_ Expert 1,271 posts since
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      ERROR_6_     Nov 29, 2012 5:28 AM (in response to DreamRPR)

      After playing last night, i got soooo tired of the camping, i almost threw my controller across my apartment... now i have always had and continue to have an optimistic faith that this game will get better.. but last night I couldnt take the constant camping..

       

       

      ill be run and gunning, and then boom dead.... kill cam. enemy crouched in a corner with a shottie... i pretty much just had enough of it... the camping is twice as bad in this game then MW3

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        phxs72     Nov 29, 2012 5:39 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

        Yes the camping is way worse in this game than MW3.  And to think that prerelease everyone was so afraid that they had destroyed camping in favor of run and gun.  I can still run and gun somewhat (I'm sure you do too) but I have to be much more aware of every headglitch spot on the map and take angles that will keep me out of their lines of sight.  Otherwise they will pick me off everytime.  On the flip side, when I do manage to get in behind them, I often rack up easy double and triples because they are too busy ADSing their favorite pinch point to notice me.  Ahh sweet revenge

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        ERROR_6_     Nov 29, 2012 6:26 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

        lol maybe my tollorance for b.s. was low... ive always played ctf, it was the game type that came natural to me... i struggled with dom, and search... i did like hardpoint a little, and kill confirmed, maybe i need to try some new game types... i donno maybe FFA? i heard that was bad with spawns..?

         

         

        I never been a huge run and gunner, mostly patrolled choke points, but i feel this game makes me run and gun more... its prob just me,  but ive played all styles, i noticed when camping, i get very little kills more deaths,  runa nd gun, i get more kill and more deaths... and patroling choke points i go positive but its very in the middle... like 15-8 ish... nothing to brag about

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          phxs72     Nov 29, 2012 6:48 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

          I don't play CTF mostly because I don't like having to wait to respawn but with deaths being so easy to come by in BO2, I would imagine that it's got to be really frustrating. I've been playing a lot of DOM which will break you in hard on every headglitch spot known to man and a good bit of KC and Hardpoint. I've enjoyed and raged at all of them. I find KC to be less headglitchy simply because people have to come out of hiding to pick up the tags.  If you're coming over from CTF then you'll probably like FFA.

           

          I've played a little FFA in BO2 (more in other titles) and the secret to doing good is just knowing the spawns and patroling an area.  People are going to be spawning in the same places all the time.  So all you have to do is run back and forth between the two or three spawns in your area.  You'll get caught off gaurd from time to time but most of the time you'll be killing them before they hardly even know where they've spawned in to.  What little bit of experience that I've had with BO2 FFA puts it on par with MW3 FFA.

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    SheSaidNo     Nov 26, 2012 6:33 PM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    Tried to play three games, quit all three, then turned off my X-box.  The problem is all the strategies and gameplay go out the door when the lag is this terrible.  All the bells and whistles don't make a difference when the foundation is poorly built.  There's no opportunity to adapt to a new style of gameplay when you're guaranteed to lose every shoot out.

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      phxs72     Nov 27, 2012 4:45 AM (in response to SheSaidNo)

      I think that they are having server problems.  Most matches that I play if I'm losing it's because I was being outgunned not so much out lagged.  However, I did have a couple of matches last night that it was obvious to me that I was bullet proof and I had a handful of matches where I couldn't win a gun fight no matter how much of a drop I got on them.  The killcams had me a whole second or better behind the action.  They've got some work to do on their end but I don't think that it's lag comp but rather server connection lag that's causing the problem for most people.

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      ERROR_6_     Nov 27, 2012 7:01 AM (in response to SheSaidNo)

      I found the lag  to be worse in the "best" option  for connection, i changed it  to normal, and It seems to be better, mainly because in a way everyone is lagging, so its either you have the jump on people, or they have the jump on you (connection wise) so with that you would want to use strat to counter them having the jump on you ( flanking).. this has helped me

       

      or go to the skilled game mods where the game puts you in game with like skilled people... I hear this has way less lag.. just harder because everyone is on the same level... but no parties !

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    Adam1234567892     Nov 26, 2012 9:10 PM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    My problem is the Lag and the Lag Compensation on top that the spawn system so yea it has nothing to do with how I play hell I actually have a positive K/D for a change and my best weapon is a Tac-45.

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    Sgt-Phasma     Nov 27, 2012 6:58 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    This is not true. I play this game like i play any FPS (averaging 2.5 or 3 if im trying/serious).

     

    Before the v1.03 (PS3) update, i was consistantly getting VTOLs and more (because the matchmaking was consistantly putting me with local players and i am sure the lag comp was less aggressive/intrusive).

     

    I love this game but i am consistantly raped by people i am shooting at (they turn and begin shooting after i have hit em like 4 times). This was not happenning at all before the update so no matter what you say, there is something wrong.

     

    What is your connection speed out of curiosity?

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      Sgt-Phasma     Nov 27, 2012 6:59 AM (in response to Sgt-Phasma)

      Since the update, mine and the other best player in my friends list', KDR has gone from 2.4 to 1.9 (both of ours have dropped exactly the same. Somethign is badly wrong.

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        zvers     Nov 27, 2012 7:20 AM (in response to Sgt-Phasma)

        This happened to me before the Thanksgiving Holiday. 2.4 down to 1.96. now I'm at 1.94 even though my record is not bad. Maybe they calculate it differently now or my butt kicking skills have been diminished!

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      phxs72     Nov 27, 2012 7:22 AM (in response to Sgt-Phasma)

      Mine connnection speed just for info is around 8 or 9 MB down and about 1.5 MB up.  The update didn't really change my experience either way.  I'll have beastly matches and I'll have matches where I get stomped with some average matches thrown inbetween.  I've been put in foriegn lobbies and local lobbies and seen good and bad games in both.

       

      I noticed last night that I started the night virtually bulletproof and then I got kicked from the server.  For several minutes after that, I could join a lobby but right before the game would start, I would get kicked from the lobby.  Once I finally got back into a game, I was a good 1 or 2 seconds behind everyone for several matches and then things went back to a pretty even lag.  That's why I think that they are still having server problems.  When things are running properly, I find the game tough but fair lag wise.  However, they seem to have been having issues with there servers since launch.  So nightly I can gaurentee that I will have some matches where I beast and where I get beasted.  Here's hoping that they can find the root of the problem and fix it soon.  I'm not all that worried about my stats but the game is a lot more fun when you have a chance of killing someone.

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      ERROR_6_     Nov 27, 2012 7:23 AM (in response to Sgt-Phasma)

      hey sgt. sorry im not too sure what it is, i know that I do have a pretty good connection ( i pay for it lol) but i dont know the upload, ping..

       

      i dont see a difference personally before and after the update.. it seems like it kept its suckyness lol

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    SnipinDB     Nov 27, 2012 7:37 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    This game plays very similar to mw3, well bar for the spm based matchmaking which ruins the game. You can literally do exactly what you did in mw3. Hip fire is stronger then ever in this game with the laser sight. So yes you can hip fire and get streaks going. Though it’s much easier to get high streaks in mw3.

     

    I don’t know about spawn trapping being less effective (never did it myself). If spawn trappers can’t get high kds anymore, good but that isn’t the main reason people are complaining.

     

    This game has a very low learning curve, I know how to play cod, the learning curve being learning the generally terrible designed maps. The best setups and perks are not hard to find out. This game plays like an IW cod with 3arch blops looks.

     

    People are having problems because of lag caused by terrible matchmaking generally.

     

    Bring back the general matchmaking algorithm based on region and ping. Lag plus having to play try-hards constantly, clans of often, that’s what ruins the game.

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      ERROR_6_     Nov 27, 2012 7:48 AM (in response to SnipinDB)

      I do agree with most of what your saying, the maps arent very good, but i didnt think they were that great in Mw3 either.. the obviouse lag is still an issue... spawn killing isnt as big as it was in mw3, but im starting to see more of it as time goes by.. its just a matter of time

       

      ive been playing Cod since mw2, so no im no vet, but i can feel a difference in the game especially mw3, to Bo2.. i feel Mw3 was way more noob friendly.. which is why I am seeing more campers then mw3..

       

      there is sooo much more head gitch spots then mw3, windows and ledges etc. which at least for me makes me play different, and according to you tube, and the forum others as well..

       

      the hip fire is whatever really i dont see any difference in it then mw3 personally..

       

      i feel they do need to make the ARs more competitive... i for 1 have always been an AR user, and have to use SMGs to stay competitive..  so i would say yes mw3 and bo2 have like attributes, but i dont feel they play the same for those various reasons

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    cymbolmonkey115     Nov 27, 2012 9:52 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    I don't agree... you mention about how MW3 players would "run and gun" and also "hip fire"...
    you are saying this game has none of that?!

     

    If people play like they do on MW3 then you will do ******* amazing because you have no skill but you use the strongest weapons.. which are the MSMC and PDW-57. Anyone can try and tell me otherwise but I know what I am talking about because I've played every COD game.. and only COD4 was the closest to ever being balanced! In fact... it was balanced. mainly because the ARs had recoil! Which is what MW2 and the future COD games lack.

     

    Anyway, my point being is... because the whole enemy team pissed me off using the nooby MW3 "spray and pray" tactic on me and my team too many times.. I decided to pop them in the head with a shotgun, stole their weapon and I didn't even bother trying to aim... and I must have gotten at least 17 kills...

     

    So anyway... you might want to explain this post in a different way.

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      phxs72     Nov 27, 2012 10:00 AM (in response to cymbolmonkey115)

      I've actually prestiged the MSMC but I think that I'm still learning how to use it properly.  I do great with it in mid to long range combat (prefer long) but anything closer than mid range and I lose the gun fight almost everytime.  I've seen others use it great in close range but so far I've had very little luck with it in CQC.  Obviously, I'm doing something wrong.  So here's hoping that I can put my finger on it this time around.

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      ERROR_6_     Nov 27, 2012 10:07 AM (in response to cymbolmonkey115)

      well you seem to be the only one who disagrees with me totally, ... if the game works out the way you want and it feels the same to you, then thats your opinion.. alot others, including myself will say different'

       

      you can spray and pray, you can run and gun, but you will not do as well/easily as you did in mw3, being that

       

      A. more campers + more deaths for Run and gunners

       

      B score streaks are harder to get, so run and gunners cannot spam the air as easily

       

      I see the players I played in ctf that was always going 35- 9 in that area, now they are more like 15-9 ... that alone tells me there is a significant difference in adapting to the games changes... with this means game play styles needs to change..

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        PRHeavyHittaz1     Nov 28, 2012 9:50 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

        I have been giving this game a chance and i just dont like it.

         

        First the graphis look catoonish to me and its all drk.

         

        You have to shott somebody 5 to 6 times to kill them

         

        They camp 3 times mores than MW3

         

        The only thing ilike of the game is that you could trade gear for perks and thats all.

         

        Im definetly going back to MW3. I fell like i lost money here

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        zvers     Nov 28, 2012 10:03 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

        I actually see the same thing. I am a person who likes to hold down key strategic positions, sometimes I get called a camper, but doesn't work the same in this installment. Last night I was doing ok but I found something very interesting. Overkill. I carry my trusty AR or Sniper BUT I pack an MP7 in my back pocket instead of a launcher. Never really used Overkill before this installment but in those games, it saved my butt having access to an SMG readily available. I am about to prestige to the second one and I will definitely pick up Ghost because Ghost and Overkill seem like a great combo since I gave up my launcher strategy in this installment.

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          phxs72     Nov 28, 2012 10:35 AM (in response to zvers)

          LOL it's funny.  In BO1 I had a launcher on every class except for my lightweight one.  In MW3 and BO2, I only have one class with a launcher.  The difference being that the pistols and other secondaries in BO1 weren't all that good.  Now many secondaries are almost as good as the primaries.  So keeping a launcher on every class just isn't worthwhile.  I've actually been considering the overkill perk this time around.  I didn't bother with it in MW3 because the secondaries were great but it seems that whenever I decide to pick up a gun off the ground.  Someone always pops the corner and kills me before I can get it cocked.  It may actually be worth the while to run overkill this time around.

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    Thembones     Nov 28, 2012 10:44 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    Well ima guy who was spoiled by black ops Marathon Pro. So its frustrating when i run and have to stop for 4 seconds to run again at full speed. Other then fix spawns, lags spikes, and add some cover in B flags at domination, since your exposed by a lot. The game would be good.

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    NameYouCantHate     Nov 28, 2012 11:53 AM (in response to ERROR_6_)

    I personally hate the ******* game, im a black ops 1 sniper who does youtube and this game in my opinion is just modern warfare 3 without the ability to snipe aggressively. Treyarch have only catered for people who use reg guns... reg guns see through walls, can spot you across the map, can kill you in a couple of bullets. whereas snipers are underpowered and you cannot compete whatesoever against someone who uses a regular gun. I personally sa treyarch as a company who could make a balanced game which catered for everyone but thats not the case now and i have lost all respect for them

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      zvers     Nov 29, 2012 8:47 AM (in response to NameYouCantHate)

      Hmmm. It does have similarities like connectivity <cough>, but I think you are having problems, like I have but with different gun ideology. You need to use set ups you have NEVER thought of using. What Treyarch did is FORCE everyone out of there normal CoD comfort zone. Try using Overkill with your sniper and strap on an MP7. Use equipment and always listen for the "Your equipment has been destroyed".

       

      If QS is all you do then, well you are out of luck buddy but your not alone in having to struggle and find your mojo in this installment.

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        ERROR_6_     Nov 29, 2012 11:45 AM (in response to zvers)

        poeple can still Qs in this game, ive seen it and done it myself... i think it was better in mw3, but it can still be done

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      phxs72     Nov 29, 2012 12:06 PM (in response to NameYouCantHate)

      Buddy, I am not a sniper because I've always been bad at it but I've found it so much easier to snipe in BO2 than it ever was for me in MW3 or BO1.  I can actually snipe now.  Granted I hardscope all the way but I can tell you that the snipe rifles are more powerful in BO2 than they ever were before for my style of sniping.  I know hardscoping doesn't = ratings on Youtube but what you could try is picking up the KSG.  From what I hear it's firing a sniper bullet this time around and has a rediculous range on it.  You can even get quickdraw for it.  I'll be looking for the 360 no scope KSG montage coming soon .

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        ERROR_6_     Nov 29, 2012 12:30 PM (in response to phxs72)

        ive messed with the KSG, and it is a fun gun... crazy range, but you will see alot more hit markers on it then a sniper... the comunity doesnt understand the range on it fully, and think your hacking lol.

         

         

        I had a guy say he was reporting me, because " A shot gun doesnt have range like that!".. i wasnt even using long barrel lol

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