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danielbondnz Apprentice 432 posts since
Oct 6, 2011

I cant believe Treyarch have become so untouchable to the eyes of this forum, have you all forgot??

Posted by danielbondnz on Oct 17, 2012 1:41 PM

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Firstly, Black ops 2 looks great in terms of the new features, maps, gun, everything looks great.

 

However what has to have changed from Black ops 1 is the net coding and smoother connections, cause at times Black ops was terrible. I remember lag spikes atleast once a game, and if the host wasnt perfect, the game would be unplayable.

 

Dont tell me I have bad internet, cause I have some of the best in my country. All my friends agree Black ops was the most laggy cod they have played too. And I have no issues with the other cods.

 

I wonder if some of the hype for Treyarch is actually coming from a lot of Hate for IW and MW3.

 

Lets just not jump the gun on Black ops 2 just yet, ill wait to play it before I judge it.

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  • otisman666 Master 9,078 posts since
    Aug 3, 2011
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    Actually there are a lot of people that are highly skeptical regarding the connection issues.  The problem is that the issue has been beaten to death and obviously this is not a subject that the devs are talking about (so you make the assumption here, any significant changes made?).  At this point your only option is to hold off on pre-ordering and look to play something else if a few weeks after release the game isn't up to snuff.

  • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
    Sep 2, 2011
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    Its one of the most mentioned topics, pretty much amongst every member of this forum, pretty much every day. Try a search, there are numerous topics on this, and most folks agree with you that we are all nervous about connection after MW3.

     

    I personally didn't have any major issues in Black Ops. I had the occasional laggy game, but have never played an online game where that didn't happen from time to time. For the most part, the game ran smoothly and I had very few WTF moments. MW3, on the other hand, is a completely different story. I have constant connection issues on that game.

     

    Nobody has forgotten, we are all wondering how it will turn out and hoping for the best. I Pre-Ordered this game, but my future with CoD is seriously going to hinge on whether or not this game is functional.

    • ct1486 Newbie 80 posts since
      May 25, 2011
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      Same here there were games in Blops where I was like wtf, but it happened every other game in mw3 which resulted in very little time spent on that game compared to Blops.

    • Run_N_Gunning_Camper Master 2,217 posts since
      Mar 27, 2012
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      I have a feeling a lot of those WTF moments and BS deaths you're getting on MW3 has to do with your 3D TV. Maybe your enemies are seeing you before you see them because you have bad input lag.

      • That5What5Up Expert 1,003 posts since
        Nov 5, 2011
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        So play a cod where you know you had no lag issues,  If its there then its the tv,

        • Run_N_Gunning_Camper Master 2,217 posts since
          Mar 27, 2012
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          I'm already playing on a monitor which I suspect have low input lag but it's old. I can't find the exact number of input lag since it's an old monitor so just to make sure, I ordered a BenQ GL2450HM which is the monitor used by MLG in 2012 for FPS games on console. It should come in today or tomorrow. It has very low input lag and I do hope it will put me at a slight advantage over my enemies.

  • Ss78_ Apprentice 839 posts since
    Sep 21, 2012
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    Like I've already said innocent until proven guilty on the net code. IW and treyarch both bring great innovations to their releases but are both constrained by the annual release agenda set by activision or whoever pulls the strings. Black ops seemed to run slightly slower when getting kills and controlling the guns which made for better balance than what I thought mw3 done by trying to be too quick which gave it an imbalance in comparison. I look forward to blops 2 and any future IW releases for all the innovations they present us with and surely they'll figure out the net code someday.

  • vims1990 Master 7,516 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
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    I don't think anyone here has forgotten mate.

     

    There are so many threads related to concerns about connectivity & matchmaking.

    The PS3 community is continuously asking if Black Ops 2 will perform equally to the XBOX 360 considering Black Ops on PS3 was pretty terrible.

     

    Hell, someone have already started a "Lag Compensation Thread" for Black Ops 2 (even before the game has launched) & I really can't blame the OP for it.

     

    http://community.callofduty.com/thread/200517028?start=0&tstart=0

  • That5What5Up Expert 1,003 posts since
    Nov 5, 2011
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    OP, ill just say that youre not alone here.  Really.  nicedrew is right, this is a daily matter.   Whats more, some on here appear to be incapable of empathy, that just because they dont experience the issue as badly, dismiss it and laugh off those of use that really are getting shafted from the broken netcode.  Even if they do know, they'll try to change the subject or try to make the threads matter less by saying how often the complaints appear.

     

    I dont know if they're fanboys or trolls that want to piss people off, but these people seem to forget that there's a reason so many are worried about the connectivity of BO2.  We know treyarch is a different developer.  But mw3 truly has scarred the memory, so to speak.

  • starbuckfrack Master 11,102 posts since
    Sep 3, 2011
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    danielbondnz wrote:

     

    ....

    Firstly, Black ops 2 looks great in terms of the new features, maps, gun, everything looks great.

     

    However what has to have changed from Black ops 1 is the net coding and smoother connections, cause at times Black ops was terrible. I remember lag spikes atleast once a game, and if the host wasnt perfect, the game would be unplayable.

     

    Dont tell me I have bad internet, cause I have some of the best in my country. All my friends agree Black ops was the most laggy cod they have played too. And I have no issues with the other cods.

     

    I wonder if some of the hype for Treyarch is actually coming from a lot of Hate for IW and MW3.

     

    Lets just not jump the gun on Black ops 2 just yet, ill wait to play it before I judge it.

    Just because you have the best internet in your country means nothing. The game doesnt use the higher speed of connections. As well as you might have the best paid connection out there but is it the best quality of a connection ? Like as in PING ? And other factors like how many peices of equipment are accessing your line ?

     

    and if you want to wait before ordering then thats great but why start a negative topic about a previous game in this forum and bring up the lag subject on a game thats a month away ?

     

    PS they are untouchable after they first month of tweaks. The online portion of the game is a free addon of the game used to sell you more DLC and can end at any time that they dont see a profit.

     

    They ONLY have to keep this game patched with a bandaid if need be until all the player get the maps from their Season Pass.

     

    IW for example could legally and still not hurt their future sales if they walked away from MW3 tommorrow. they did that before when they just dropped all support on MW2 four months into its release.

    • That5What5Up Expert 1,003 posts since
      Nov 5, 2011
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      To be fair, this thread isn't exactly being "negative".  He, like a lot of others, got screwed by BO/mw3 (especially mw3), and he's pretty concerned it will be just as bad in BO2.  Its a legitimate concern, one that i have too, and for something like this id rather it be brought up than not.

       

      Besides, OP did say judgment was reserved.

      • starbuckfrack Master 11,102 posts since
        Sep 3, 2011
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        That5What5Up wrote:

         

        To be fair, this thread isn't exactly being "negative".  He, like a lot of others, got screwed by BO/mw3 (especially mw3), and he's pretty concerned it will be just as bad in BO2.  Its a legitimate concern, one that i have too, and for something like this id rather it be brought up than not.

         

        Besides, OP did say judgment was reserved.

        I couldnt come up with a better way to say it. They way I said it still did come off too strong.

         

        Typers Block.

         

        I have a feeling that "anti lag posts" might get locked if they are showing up too soon.

         

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        And to Byrons response below, the reason that this may be taboo to the developers could be many reasons.

        Two of those I can think of could be their telemetry doesnt show it as a problem or the telemetry doesnt show it as a problem on their end.

        • That5What5Up Expert 1,003 posts since
          Nov 5, 2011
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          hmm, if only foxhound or whoever could combine all of the lag threads into a single, persistent topic that stayed on the front page and encompassed all the posters' lag concerns to avoid oversaturation...

           

          oh wait a sec

  • biron_w Apprentice 789 posts since
    Aug 25, 2011
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    I remember what Blops was like to start with and it was horrible. But not as bad as MW3. And at least blops is playable now.

    The whole netcode thing is the biggest worry for many people. Even on other forums I go on there are people worried after how big a disaster MW3 is.

    But we won't know until the game is released. And even if it isn't perfect on launch i'll give Treyarch some time to sort things out.

    The fact that they avoid this subject makes me a bit suspicious but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

  • BrandonSullivan Calculating status... 50 posts since
    Oct 16, 2012
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    danielbondnz wrote:

    However what has to have changed from Black ops 1 is the net coding and smoother connections, cause at times Black ops was terrible. I remember lag spikes atleast once a game, and if the host wasnt perfect, the game would be unplayable.

     

    from now on we post our KDs and WLs from previous cods and blops first then our opinions of net code. im convinced only bad players complain about net code due to the fact that blops had a higher skill gap than previous cods, bad players couldnt cope with being so terrible.

  • Gh0sted76 Novice 215 posts since
    Aug 22, 2012
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    Dudes, play more hardcore. Lag issues vanish when you get out of the kiddie pool.

  • That5What5Up Expert 1,003 posts since
    Nov 5, 2011
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    alright then.

     

    My BO kdr is 2.12, when i didnt care about kd until a year into it.  Its steadily increasing, slowly, but surely.  I average 5-6 Kd in my BO games today but have so many kills and deaths they hardly make a difference anymore.

     

    mw3 topped out at 2.52...started going down when I realized what kind of game mw3 was and stopped caring.  Funny part is I went for kd in mw3 the whole time and it was fluctuating like crazy...with BO experience and aiming for kd at the start, I would have a had a 3.5-4.0 easy if it werent for the horrific way this game leveled BS upon BS at you.  Getting lag-comped to death then spawn killed especially makes you want to punch developers in their faces.  Sure, id get lots of kills...but with the increased skills I SHOULD have gotten more, a LOT more, if it werent for the design.

  • cwatz Apprentice 642 posts since
    Oct 13, 2011
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    I cant speak for everyone, but personally the 2 treyarch games are my favorites (with cod 4 being close).

     

    Thats why I look forward to this.  They tend to reward skilled play more than the IW sprayfest, instakill, mindless bs.

     

    Im a bit concerned Treyarch is creeping towards MW3, especially in the maps department, but I still have hope for this game.

     

    The only real knock ive heard on BO is the hit detection/lag some people faced.  Fortunately I didn't suffer from it, so the game was flawless in my eyes.

  • xsmokex20 Master 3,004 posts since
    Jun 13, 2011
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    BS encountered in BO < BS encountered in MW2 or MW3

     

    Untouchable? No. More faith? Yes.

  • AComatoseIbex Novice 327 posts since
    Jul 4, 2012
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    I guess you're from New Zealand based on your username. I can also guess that due to the weird way MW3's lag compensation worked you would own on American servers, having the highest ping due to location. Hence your opinion that MW3's connection system was fine. IMHO it definitely wasn't. 15 bullets on target and no hitmarkers, even on a fast connection, was annoying.

     

    But I digress.

     

    In all truth, other than the sketchy as **** hit detection and lag spikes Treyarch games have fewer problems than IW games.

     

    CoD 4 had the M16 and pocket nukes ("frag grenades" they were called I think). Sonic Boom made these worse. I've even seen 3x Frag / Sonic Boom / Martyrdom used as a class. Not to mention the M40A3 ACOG glitch that made it a OHK anywhere. Even the feet!

    Didn't play WaW as I don't like WW2 games that much.

    MW2 had a whole host of problems like OMA DC noob tubes, MLC knife monkeys, nuke boosting, constant trickshotting in SnD for killcams... and the glitches. Most maps had one or more glitches (Estate and Highrise rooftop glitches, and Afghan and Wasteland out of map glitches come to mind. All unpatched).

    Black Ops had the lag and hit detection above. As a plus, though - no QS!

    MW3 had Black Ops' lag plus a whole plethora of overpowered guns and the Sitrep Pro problem once that was buffed (big mistake IW). Oh and the camping pandemic, don't forget that.

     

    So I have faith in Treyarch to not deliver a game full of glitches and exploits.

      • BrandonSullivan Newbie 50 posts since
        Oct 16, 2012
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        lol angry foreigners ITT

      • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
        Sep 2, 2011
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        One does not simply get good connection in Mordor.

          • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
            Sep 2, 2011
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            I was joking... but way to level the personal attacks. I work monitoring a network. It is slow work for much of the time. So yeah, I kill some of that time on here. I like to keep my hands busy, I am always doing something. Who notices post count... anyways?

             

            I am doing just fine, don't worry about me. You need to maybe get some anger management classes?  Do a little Yoga?

              • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
                Sep 2, 2011
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                Not an insult.. Always wanted to visit there myself. Had a friend who recently spent some time there and it looks amazing, to be honest.

                 

                It was a reference to LOTR being filmed there... and an homage to a line in the movie. It was meant merely as a joke, my apologies if you didn't take it as such. It was actually more of a dig at the guy insinuating that you couldn't get good internet there as if you lived on a remote desert island or something. But oh well.

                  • nicedrewishfela Master 8,331 posts since
                    Sep 2, 2011
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                    Glad we got that straightened out. I tend to be a smarta$$ on here from time to time, it is all meant in good fun.

                     

                    I enjoyed the LOTR movies, but yeah they could drag a bit. Honestly, the star of the movie was the landscape. It is a beautiful country.

      • AComatoseIbex Novice 327 posts since
        Jul 4, 2012
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        (1) I'm not American and (2) I have been to New Zealand and know it's not a third world country.

         

        I was implying that there wasn't that many CoD players down there and thus a decent chance you would be matched into servers outside New Zealand or Australia. The next nearest major CoD fanbases from there are the Western United States and the Far East, hence my comment about distance-induced lag.

         

        Sorry you feel that way but I didn't mean to take the p1ss.

    • vims1990 Master 7,516 posts since
      Aug 13, 2011
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      I guess you're from New Zealand based on your username. I can also guess that due to the weird way MW3's lag compensation worked you would own on American servers, having the highest ping due to location. Hence your opinion that MW3's connection system was fine. IMHO it definitely wasn't. 15 bullets on target and no hitmarkers, even on a fast connection, was annoying.

       

      New Zealand has got a decent COD playerbase. Most of the time, we are mostly being matchmaked with players within New Zealand and Australia.

      I rarely get placed in American lobbies depending on what time I'm playing or if I'm playing in a party or not.

       

      I see where you're coming from though. Our clan was placed in a game against a Japanese party where we were 2 barring & I felt like I was on god-mode however this was before IW did some tweaks to how 4 bars worked against 2 bar players. IW made some serious errors when it came to "balancing" connections.

  • avengedyesterday Master 3,962 posts since
    Sep 8, 2011
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    So many misguided assumptions in this thread so ill just make this as simple as possible.

     

    Netcode has never changed, netcode doesnt need to change because it isn't the problem. They use the term to make it seem like they are working on something to make it better.

     

    It does not matter what they tweak, what codes they write, someone will always get the short end of the stick. Untill everyones connection everywhere and all lines above and underground are fiberoptic lag is going to happen.

  • ghostsniper2010 Expert 1,148 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
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    i have 100MB fibre optic connection im often host i never lag on black ops but always do on modern wankfail and if im host i get disadvantage

    • ACII Novice 187 posts since
      Dec 17, 2011
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      BLOPS 2 will be no different from the first one as far as lag goes.  They are going to sell 10+ million copies, they don't care, lol.

      • MITCH Calculating status... 33 posts since
        Jun 5, 2012
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        im sure they fixed the servers they work together wit the call of duty franchise so i wouldnt be surprised if it will be similar to mw3 as far as servers go. i found the spawn points in black ops were better then the ones on mw3 but only time will tell i cant wait to play this game. and show off the new techniques they have given us to work with. im glad to be apart of this franchise as a gamer.

  • fattPATRAT69 Newbie 55 posts since
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    lol one of the best connections in the country, i didnt know there were world rankings for that stat

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