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openrangeonualls Apprentice
openrangeonualls
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Aug 6, 2012 10:16 PM

IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

I was playing this morning, and I was looking at the Lobby Leaderboard while sitting in game lobby, and there was a guy who was ranked higher than me in Domination even though I had about 200 more caps than he did, and just a little more defends than he had. The only thing he had was Kills. I dont understand why in the world on an objective mode like that, that Kills would even play a part in overall Rankings. Just plain ignorant. Just thought I would say something. I am bored and at work.

  • RblDestro Novice
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    Aug 7, 2012 1:36 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    Simply put the majority of the CoD community only care about K/D and the game is going to reflect that.

  • WKMMS Expert
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    Aug 7, 2012 3:16 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    Domination is about overall score.  200 isn't that many flag caps in the difference.  If you control two flags in Dom then the game becomes about killing the enemy team and preferably before they can get anywhere near your flag, so you would get neither flag caps nor defends. Usually if I'm in a full party then I don't cap nearly as many flags as I would with randoms. Could be that the guy usually parties up to play Dom a lot. 

    • supervelous Apprentice
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      Aug 7, 2012 5:58 AM (in response to WKMMS)
      Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

      Right, some people will have 4-5 flag caps a game, however the guy on a truly dominant team will have 2 - the opening flag then B, then not giving those 2 up.  And his defends may be low bc the other team doesn't get close enough to the flag. 

       

      I see some people in Dom who just run from flag to flag capping.  Yes, it's good to cap flags, but here's the typical scenario I see.  We cap A, we Cap B, random runs and Caps C, enemy now spawns at A and caps it so we now hold C and B, random runs to A and caps it, enemy spawns at C and caps it, rinse repeat. 

       

      He gets a lot of caps, but he is continually flipping the spawns and giving up a cap for every triple cap he gets.

    • zingaa Expert
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      Aug 7, 2012 6:35 AM (in response to WKMMS)
      Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

      WKMMS wrote:

       

      Domination is about overall score.  200 isn't that many flag caps in the difference.  If you control two flags in Dom then the game becomes about killing the enemy team and preferably before they can get anywhere near your flag, so you would get neither flag caps nor defends. Usually if I'm in a full party then I don't cap nearly as many flags as I would with randoms. Could be that the guy usually parties up to play Dom a lot. 

      I agree 200 more caps is nothing, it when you get a guy who has thousands less is how you can spot a scrub

  • KTPhoenix Master
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    Aug 7, 2012 6:07 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    i personally believe that they should do away with ALL k/d tracking in objective modes. im not just talking about the leaderboards in general, i am ALSO talking about lobby leaderboards too.

     

    it just gives k/d whores more reason to not do anything productive in a match. im tired of seeing and hearing people go on and on about how high their k/d is when all they most likely do is camp in objective matches and dashboard when things dont go their way.

     

    the only thing that the objective modes should keep track of is caps/defends and plants/defuses. the only places that SHOULD keep track of k/d is TDM and  FFA and whatever other non-objective mode there is.

    • Puft Calculating status...
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      Aug 7, 2012 6:17 AM (in response to KTPhoenix)
      Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

      I see your point but one thing you said doesn't seem right.

      In a game mode like S&D plants/defused as well as kills/deaths should be tracked as that is also playing for the win.

      But in domination I believe that they should just raise points per cap.

      If they added a system where your first cap was 200 then second was 300 and so on people may play the objective more.

      • KTPhoenix Master
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        Aug 7, 2012 6:32 AM (in response to Puft)
        Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

        not really. cuz why would you need to know your k/d for S&D? all you need to know is how many people are still alive in the round and you can easily find that out by looking at the dog tags next to their GT. getting kills is NOT the PRIMARY objective for either side. the primary for offense is to plant the bomb and the primary for defense is to make sure the objective is not destroyed. killing the opponent is the SECONDARY objective. in general, you dont need to kill anyone to plant or defuse the bomb.

  • ERROR_6_ Expert
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    Aug 7, 2012 6:32 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    People who kill Wh@re are still playing the objective.. ie

     

    CTF you cant have every team member running after the flag, there has to be some degree of defense  which this is what normally a kill wh@re is..

     

    you have to thin out the enemy so the offense can move around a little more smoothly to get the flag and run it back..

     

    KW also play as back ups, if the flag runner gets killed by an enemy right before capture, the KW can run it in the rest of the way.. so they do play important parts of objective game play

  • DemonHunter777 Apprentice
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    Aug 7, 2012 6:37 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    I cap one flag and then try to hold that flag. If more people played my way I would have a lot more wins than I do.

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    Aug 7, 2012 6:37 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    try playing demo/// i have over 1000 more plants then most people and they are ranked higher then me because of kills.. its such b.s.   i think plants and defuses should be worth 1000 points each

  • gunitmilan Newbie
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    Aug 7, 2012 6:40 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    try playing demo/// i have over 1000 more plants then most people and they are ranked higher then me because of kills.. its such b.s.   i think plants and defuses should be worth 1000 points each

  • jaydyn119 Novice
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    Aug 7, 2012 7:04 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    I hear ya, I play dom n its funny hearing the players on the team that lost 200-85 talk about how they smacked us around bc they went 35-10. Yea that would be good if you were playing TDM but your not. My K/D has been bouncing back and forth between .85 and .90 but I am one that is always there capping. I got 5373 caps and 5910 defends. I dont care if I die 200 times in a match, I want to win the match. I usually run with my clan n we got guys on the team that are our kill guys. We all know our jobs on the clan n we communicate, the guys that come into objective games to boost up their k/d are pathetic bc they know they cant do it in TDM since all 12 players are trying to get kills. But in an objective mode maybe only 3 or 4 r trying to get kills. So the joke is really on them b/c their skills are garbage

  • Cyclone1337 Newbie
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    Aug 7, 2012 7:23 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    I know, right? My KDR isn't 1.00 on it, but I get myself around 10-12 captures and four or five defends every single game, scoring around 4,000 per game yet no one else tends to go for the objective because they'd rather farm for killstreaks., The only time I don't go for the objective is when the opponet has an overpowered killstreak reward that basically prevents people from capturing the flags.

  • brsox Expert
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    Aug 7, 2012 7:27 AM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    Perhaps the killwhore doesnt need to constantly cap flags because he does a good job defending them once they are taken?

  • Amaterasu9 Novice
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    Aug 7, 2012 2:12 PM (in response to openrangeonualls)
    Re: IW why do you reward Kill Whores in Objective modes.

    look at the number one player in dom. That makes me mad cause i have more caps and defends both by at least 1000 each and he only beats me in kills by like 9000 i think so stupid!

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