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Aug 5, 2012 3:57 PM

Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

I think it's pretty cool that they buffed some of the lesser-used guns, but it would have been a lot better if they had nerfed the overpowered ones. Plus, the buffs weren't even that great. The MP5 definitely shoots and kills faster, but compared to the MP7 it has a LOT of recoil and a small clip. Pretty much the same with the UMP45. The AK47 is basically now an ACR that does less damage, and the FAD...honestly it doesn't even seem like they actually did anything to the FAD. I haven't tried the M16 yet, but I've heard it was good and it was definitely the most underpowered weapon of the five. My only worry is that it will be the next Type 95...but still, I just wish IW would focus on bigger issues like lag and spawning. It would be so nice to see people branch out in terms of the guns they use, mix the game up. That's what I do at least.

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nicedrewishfela
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Aug 5, 2012 4:00 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

I try to be diverse in my gun selection as well. I have been working on my M4A1, one of my favorites but unfortunately one of the weaker guns compared to others.

I always take things like K/D with a grain of salt. I have been in lobbies where one player consistently took the top score, but every match used the same set up. I would find that tremendously boring. I enjoy challenge, which is why I play video games. If you aren't challenging yourself, whats the point?

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  Aug 5, 2012 6:53 PM (in response to nicedrewishfela)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  It's not that bad, got one of my best moabs with that gun. Anyway i think people just like to ***** about guns i have a couple moabs with the MP7, A lot of moabs with the SCAR, and my most action packed moab is when i was using the M4A1. The guns really don't matter that much, they may give you somewhat of an edge in certain situations but it's really about the player.
  
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  - nicedrewishfela
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    Aug 5, 2012 10:27 PM (in response to UndefeatableKing)
    Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
    
    True, its a good gun and I've had some good results with it, it can just be inconsistent.
    
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      Aug 7, 2012 3:00 PM (in response to nicedrewishfela)
      Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
      
      The m4a1 and Fad are like SMG's in ASR form. That's how i use them anyways most of the time, the Fad didn't even need the buff imo. Almost got a Assult moab with the gun only to get killed by a ksg out of no where -.-
      
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Aug 5, 2012 4:02 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

didn't they buff the pm-9.

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Aug 5, 2012 4:07 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

Unless they nerf those two guns no amount of buffs are going to take them off the top.

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Aug 5, 2012 4:22 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

There are alot of weapons that can beat both of those

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Aug 5, 2012 4:24 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

Haven't had any problems competing against the. I have been raping with the fad,m16, and ump with no problems.

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Aug 5, 2012 4:24 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

i was suprised to read they done something with the fad ive always thought it was great to start with.

i find the p90 alot better than the mp7 ive wasted my fair share of mp7 users with it

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  Aug 5, 2012 4:27 PM (in response to banned-again)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  I also think the P90 is better than the MP7, I think it's better at short and medium range, has a bigger clip as well - extended mags on MP7 is like a regular mag on P90, so you can run silencer and rapid fire...on MP7 if you run silencer and rapid fire you run out of bullets fairly quick in a situation where you run up against multiple enemies.
  
  I also think the MP7 gets the least benefit from rapid fire, something like an 11% increase whereas the others get more of a multiplier. It also has the worst hip fire of the SMGs, P90 is among the best, probably a close third to the PP90 and PM9.
  
  The MP7 of course is almost recoil-less and has insane range and accuracy, but for my style I'll whip out an MP9 for those shots, and maintain the short range dominance I get with the P90.
  
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    Aug 5, 2012 4:31 PM (in response to supervelous)
    Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
    
    I think the P90 is tougher for some people to handle, though.
    
    The MP7 handles easily enough for anyone to use, thats why its so overused.
    
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      Aug 5, 2012 4:41 PM (in response to nicedrewishfela)
      Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
      
      you're absolutely right, the MP7 is easier to handle with the very low recoil. The P90 has somewhat odd iron sights that take some getting used to, and also an inconsistent recoil pattern from range.
      
      I believe it's a better gun for someone who spends a lot of time with it and learns how to handle it correctly, and can compensate for the lack of range with the MP9.
      
      But absolutlely for pure ease of use combined with effectiveness, the MP7 and ACR are the clear cut winners in this game.
      
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Aug 5, 2012 4:25 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

Try the M16. I tried it today to see if the buff worked, and I was getting 1-2 bullet kills 90% of the time. I rarely had to have all 3 bullets hits. It's better than the Type 95 now.

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  Aug 5, 2012 4:52 PM (in response to Noob_Lyncher)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  Does the M16 kill in one bullet to the head? Have you noticed? Haven't seen it written anywhere, but my it kills fast, so was wondering.
  
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  Aug 6, 2012 12:43 AM (in response to Noob_Lyncher)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  You were NOT getting 1 bullet hits. The M16 has a maximum damage of 55. With headshot multipliers it is still less than 100. It is always a 2-4 shot kill.
  
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    Aug 7, 2012 3:04 PM (in response to Maqsi)
    Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
    
    1 burst kills all day long... I'd pick this over the ACR any day of the week.
    
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Aug 5, 2012 4:31 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

FAD destroys ACR at range now, Type 95 was never OP to begin with, why isn't everyone using that over the ACR? MP7 can be beat by the UMP, slap on rapidfire range and you have yourself a gun that kills faster up close and outside the MP7's range but in the UMP's range, the AK-47 is actually more accurate than the ACR, there are plenty of reasons for using guns over the fantastic duo now.
There is nothing wrong with any of the buffed gun, you can find areas where they destroy, and that creates gun balance. The ACR and MP7 are now only used because they are the jack of all trades guns with minor penalties, they are now imo balanced.

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Aug 5, 2012 6:27 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

For pure performance the ACR is still the best AR in HC. With a minimum damage of 30 at any range, its still a OHK. Its an absurd weapon, which has gone unchecked for the entire lifespan of the game. Its amazing to me that they havent reduced the minimum damage to 29. I've used every AR in HC, gotten most of them to 2500, and while every gun performs very well in capable hands, the ACR easily puts up the best numbers across the board.

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- nicedrewishfela
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  Aug 5, 2012 6:42 PM (in response to NoLifeKing23)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  Absolutely. You get pretty much any hit on an enemy with an ACR they are going down. I can get center mass shots with an M4 and have to unload the entire clip.
  
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Aug 5, 2012 8:25 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

I'm sorry but I just cannot put the ACR/MP7 above the Type 95. Just yesterday I was playing TDM with my brother(I'm a little above average and I'd consider my brother to be well above average) and this guy was absolutely ripping us with his SILENCED Type-95. Part of it may have been connection, but I would run up on the guy, start hitting him with my MP7(eh.. don't like using it but I try to get the same number of kills with every weapon) and BAM instantly dead with a hip-fired one shot from the T95. That is insane. This happened over and over to both of us... Insane...

Which I think brings up a bit of a balance issue with silenced AR's, they seem to be way less effected by silencers than any other guns(snipers 1 shot capability is lessened considerably for example.)

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  Aug 5, 2012 8:34 PM (in response to creepingxdeth90)
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  I think, however, the T95 is not as easy for everyone to use as a gun like the MP7 or ACR. The silencer on ARs in HC definitely effects their performance, far more so than the SMGs.
  
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    Aug 5, 2012 8:49 PM (in response to nicedrewishfela)
    Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
    
    I always forget that people play hardcore! lol I've had about 5 posts in the past month that were replied to with, "but in hardcore.." I probably have less than 50 hardcore matches in almost 5 years of playing CoD lol.
    
    In my mind just because it's easy to use doesn't make it the most overpowered. I might rethink that statement if we start talking about the Dual FMG-9s though, lol.
    
    Not saying they are underpowered, god knows I'd never say that lol, if I had a dollar for everytime I said, "Oh look, killed by the ACR, what a surprise."...... It's odd though, my highest KD weapon is the AK-47 and when it comes to SMGs I'd much rather use the PP-90 or P-90.
    
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    - NoLifeKing23
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      Aug 5, 2012 10:17 PM (in response to creepingxdeth90)
      Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
      
      The t95 falls off in HC at range. One well aimed bullet from an ACR will kill at max range, the same burst from a t95 at that distance has a chance to not kill.
      
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  Aug 6, 2012 12:40 AM (in response to creepingxdeth90)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  Type 95 is best at close range because of its 55 damage per bullet at close range. But it is a 5 shot kill at maximum range which is awful. Also, silenced sniper rifles are still a one shot kill but the 1.5x hit multiplier of its 98 damage ( AS50 L118A MSR and Barrett 50 Cal.) is only in the head neck and chest. Unsilenced sniper rifles also get a 1.5x multiplier in the stomach so it isn't some random thing.
  
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Aug 5, 2012 9:23 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

nah dude nerfing would be stupid, there are no overpowered weapons in the game anymore bar akimbo FMG9s. They're just ***** weapons lol

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Aug 5, 2012 9:30 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

I don't know why it seems like you're having a hard time using the FAD but I'm getting record number of headshots with that gun. It's also the only gun that I leveled up from 1 to gold in less than 2 days. It was that good after the buff.

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- scolia5044
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  Aug 5, 2012 11:47 PM (in response to Run_N_Gunning_Camper)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  It was good before they buffed it
  
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Aug 6, 2012 12:34 AM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

I have gotten the M16 Golden already in just like 9 hours of online gameplay since the patch came out from it being level 0. I use it with thermal and stability ( I know that sounds stupid ) and have like a 3.00+ KD with the gun which is way higher than my 2.15. I have outgunned plenty of MP7s and ACRs. Also, the MP7 and ACR aren't technically overpowered. They have some of the most average stats for their respective gun classes. The only thing that makes everyone and their grandma good with the MP7 and ACR is because they have an incredibly controllable to pretty much none existence. Even pre-patch the PM-9 thought to be the worst gun in the game actually has the fastest kill time out of all the SMGs ARs and LMGs.

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Aug 6, 2012 2:08 AM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

you can spray with the mp7 and acr so it suits people they get comftable with it and they turn into 2 gun players , i would put somebody with a good aim up against them with the new m16 or type and thay would get destroyed , there is more than one way to play the game people get comftable just pinning the trigger and praying .

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  Aug 7, 2012 3:25 PM (in response to insaine)
  Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.
  
  I wouldn't use the MP-7/ACR in COre play before the buff. Too stupid weak. I take great pride in wandering into Core games and wasting people with the M1A4, PP90, M16 and a silenced M60. Or just spraying and praying with the AK47. I usually play HC mode, though, and the MP-7 is like my 4th rated gun. It just isn't as badazz as the OP says, IMO. Neither is the ACR-I can't level it up any faster than I already level up the M1A4.
  
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Aug 7, 2012 3:11 PM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

I decided to use the MP7 for the first time in a long time today as I was sick of being killed by nothing but people using it, and it's such an easy gun to use compared to the others I've been using. The ranged shots I can pull off even when silenced are beyond belief.

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Aug 11, 2012 6:36 AM (in response to ObamaDoesStuff)
Re: Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

These buffs didnt really affect me because i normally snipe and when i dont i use the p90 or acr but i do sometimes use the FAD.
I wish they would sort out the more important issues like spawns etc

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Even after the buff, there's nothing that truly competes with the MP7 or ACR.

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