Every gun in this game is capable of gettin bs hitmarkers at close range. The scatterguns are not the only to do this.

You do realize at this point in time that there will be on SG buff coming to this game, they have no reason to do so no matter how many videos are shown about it not working how you or anyone else thinks they should.

In the end what you think is right does not matter at all, you did not make the game, so really what you want is not important.

Your mission should you choose to accept it Agent Brick is to not buy the next IW game{plays IMF music}.

Tell me how its a problem that a gun that fires 600+ bullets per minute has one fail.  Their fire rate is their consistency.  The snipers have range and accuracy that allows you to take your time and lead your targets.

The shotguns have none of these safe gaurds.  Other weapons may also have per shot inconsistencies, but the effects of their inconsistencies are infinitely less fatal.  Its like a millimeter wobble in a tire.  For a normal car thats fine, but in an f1 racer that is fatal.  Different circumstances require different consideration for the same problem.  The fact also remains that the shotguns are not balanced in any sense of the term.  They have poor average k/ds and worse total kills than the average smg by a large margin. 

I will keep at this as long as it takes.

If I had made this game there would be a lot more people playing it now.

Actually I do know about weapon balance and regardless if you like it or not so does IW and this is what they chose for the scatterguns and it is not going to change no matter how many of these threads are made no matter even if 10,000 people complained about them unless they were the only 10,000 playing the game anymore.

The problem is not the damage it is the lag and hit detection problems caused by lag. When in a good match the scatterguns work exactly as they say on the stats. Problems is too many people think they know what those stats really mean and do not. They assume the shotguns have a longer range than what they really do so used them beyond their range and thus fail.

SG's are not run-n-gun weapons, they are not rush weapons, they are room clearing weapons meant only for extreme close combat in this game. They are not really meant to be used in open spaces or for long shots or even medium range shots and get one shot kills. They are only meant to get one shot kills at very close range and they can; yet that range is far less then what those who complain about them not working realize.

All other weapons will always out perform the shotgun even in close range, since the shogtuns in this game are really only made for very close range. They really never should have been made a primary. And yes a very large part of the player base would not like it if they became stronger and became the new qs one shot kill weapon at close range.

The only shotguns that really does not fit this is the striker because of how fast it fires and the aa-12 for the same reason. Not everyone likes or wants strong pump shotguns in this game. osk hip fired weapons are cheap and do not require much skill to use. And most players do not like them.

SG's are not meant to have safe guards like the rest of the weapons they are surprise weapons when used in the right way. You are not meant to be trying to face of against another player directly with them unless at their max damage range. Anything else and you are meant to loose.

The reason why the pumps feel so bad in this game is time between shots. If they fired faster there would be less porblems. Which is why the striker does so well. If the time between rounds was doubled on the striker even with it being a semi it would not be nearly as good as it is now.

It is those players that try to use them too far that have the most problems with them The MW3 SG's do not have the range of the MW2 SG's by any means regardless of what the stats say. And this is what IW decide was fair for them in this game. They do not have to copy paste the performance from one game to another. They can change how the weapons work even if players do not agree to it since in the end it is their game, their choice, not the players.

That is one the major benefits of being the developer they decide what is fair in the end and players either adapt or find a different game to play. The guns are meant to change from each game and not just be copies of each other exactly in how they work. But players do not ever want to have to learn new ways to use the weapons and instead wish to think the set of skills from the past game should transfer 100% and need no changing and that is just not true.

Halo Reach had the same problem where Halo 3 players did not like the AA's and cried about them because of how they changed the game and how weapons would work in certain ways. Those Halo 3 players just did not want to learn or adapt their game play and thought if they ranted enough Bungie would give in and give them back their Halo 3 way of playing but in the new game and it did not work.

@TSD:

NOTE: Unless otherwise stated, I'm talking about pumps only.

"SG's are not meant to have safe guards like the rest of the weapons they are surprise weapons when used in the right way. You are not meant to be trying to face of against another player directly with them unless at their max damage range. Anything else and you are meant to loose."

I agree that you aren't supposed to try and go face to face against an enemy if they can see you coming, but with good/perfect aim, if the Shotgun user fires first (within a reasonable range), they should always kill first. If you have a pump action and don't kill first, you die. Plain and simple. It's what should be the same outcome for using a Bolt-Action Sniper at close range. If I successfully flank someone, get close enough to almost be in knifing range, line up a perfect center-mass shot on a still target that's standing with no obstructions, I should get a OSK every time without exception. If only to at least half their effective max damage range...

"The reason why the pumps feel so bad in this game is time between shots. If they fired faster there would be less porblems. Which is why the striker does so well. If the time between rounds was doubled on the striker even with it being a semi it would not be nearly as good as it is now."

That would be a big help, yes, but unless the pump time is reduced to something that may as well be auto or semi-auto with no pump (think USAS), that's a bandaid fix that ignores the original and main problem: consistency.

Let's take the slowest killing Primary weapon in the game, assuming all shots hit within effective range: the CM901. It's TTK assuming all shots hit is 0.18 seconds. If 1 shot misses, that time is increased to 0.27 seconds. Even if the CM901 required 12 shots to kill, it would would still kill in 0.99 seconds. So, for a weapon requiring 3 shots to kill within it's effective range, it can miss 9 shots before it's TTK goes close to 1 second. Compare that to the SPAS. It's TTK, assuming you aim correctly and have enough pellets hit the target, is basically 0. You pull the trigger, the enemy is dead. If you don't get enough pellets for whatever reason (EG: aimed badly, or more likely, you get a bad pellet spread), it takes a full second to pump and fire again.

Yes, reducing the pump would help get the second shot off, but why change that when that's not the original problem?

Again, point to me any other weapon class in MW3 that has a disadvantage/weakness that can NOT be controlled by the player somehow (ignoring lag). Sniper Rifles are the only class that you can even begin to compare to Shotguns. I'd love to see the stats of the Bolt-Action Sniper Rifles on average across all of the Xbox 360 and PS3 Elite players compared to that of the Pump/Lever Shotguns. I'nm sure even if you found some way to isolate only the QSers, the stats would probably be better for the Snipers overall than the Shotgunners. Shouldn't that be a big clue that, when thinking "what is the best CQC weapon?" that a weapon meant for long range engagements is usually considered equal to or better than Shotguns?