Jul 23, 2012 7:33 AM
Something needs to be done about Ballistic Vests in HC.
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As far as I know, there are no threads about this. If there are, I apologize in advance.
I am just going to say it, I am sick of seeing Ballistic Vests in HC. For the past week now, I have had one hell of a time playing because most of the teams I play against are spamming the BV like that is their only killstreak. To be honest, I would not be surprised if I was correct. I actually hada match 2 days ago that I had to back out of because I died 10 times in a row by the enemy all because they had vests on. No matter what I did, I could not kill them because of that killstreak saving their ass. Neither explosive nor bullet would kill them on the first hit. The bullet I can understand because that is what the BV is supposed to be designed for. But why be able to counter explosives as well? I know BV is only for general protection and is not specific to bullet or explosive, but this is ridiculous. That is what Blast shield is for. I sometimes see people with BOTH BS and BV on at the same time along with trophy systems and its damn near impossible to win a match because of that.
I know the developers dont come on here because i have been here long enough to know that. I also dont have any suggestions as to what i think could make this bette because lets face it, if I WERE to suggest something or multiple things, those would get shot down immediately and I know better than to do that. I would have to say that this thread is more of a rant thread than anything. I hardly ever post threads on here as I usually have nothing interesting to say or have anything i want to get off my chest so you could consider this a rare moment where I just basically rant.
Feel free to post your view.
All true. Reason # 432 why I dont play HC
Nope, it helps against the myriad of corner campers and explosive spammers.
Im not saying that it needs to be nerfed or anything like that. I would just like to see it less than I see it now. I dont know in what way that can be achieved without nerfing it but im sure they would be able to come up with something.
EDIT: The problem in the past is that IW is extreme in how they change things. With them its always one way or the other and the "middle ground" doesnt exist to them.
Actually, they couldn't come up with anything for it because it's a low support streak, which means that anyone can get it without much effort. There's no sane way to remedy it.
I have an idea though. I know this will get flamed but at least I am trying.
what if they made it so that you can only use the BV once every so many lives? Like, you get the killstreak and use it, but if you die and respawn you cant use it again until you have respawned so many amount of times. and to make sure people dont kill themselves to get around that, make it so you have to die by the enemy that many times to get the vests back.
that way you dont have the killstreak recycle and have people throwing out vests the entire match making it almost impossible to kill them.
That's too much work for IW. They could've done the same thing with the throwing knives for Infected so that people wouldn't cry so hard about the throwing knife spam, and boosters could still be killed.
Remove bullets from hardcore. I keep getting killed by them, wtf.
op infinity ward, op.
OMFGimJOE wrote:
Remove bullets from hardcore. I keep getting killed by them, wtf.
op infinity ward, op.
I LOLed hard at that lol.
Body armor is supposed to pretect you. Dont be mad cuz it actually works, itsnt that the whole point? Maybe you ought to try using them yourself instead of complaining about it.
I swear, the only thing people do on hear is complain complain complain. I wouldnt come around here if all you guys did was complain about my game. Kinda depressing actually. I guess thats what our society is today, a bunch of titbags with nothing better to do than ***** and moan about anything and everything. Loosen up, lighten up, you'll enjoy life alot more.
Make Impact a counter to Ballistic Vests. Does that solve your problem?
Im starting to wonder if the Vest Stacking I keep hearing
about is true. (IE You put down 3 vests and stack them
increasing your damage taking). It seems like a lot
of shots I used to kill with do nothing.
My clan has tried this and Vest Stacking is not possible. What you might be seeing is when wearing a vest, if it gets taken out and I am still alive, I can find a new vest from a different BV drop and put it on and be like I have never been hurt.
i think first they should remove rico from hc modes
Reason to use BV on HC:
-Random Noobtubes and XM-25 Spam rendered useless
-Campers with One Shot Kill Weapons end up in trouble
-Those who actually play the objective like Domination (go figure...) have a chance to capture before being bombarded by throw and pray explosives.
-Those run and gunners have to play with a little more strategy
-Seems that BV can act as a spawn point for the whole team (not necessarily true however it does seem to me that I spawn on BV more often than not)
I believe these reasons outweigh your reason of something being done about Ballistic Vest because you have a hard time killing them.
I understand your frustration with Ballistic Vest because I too sometimes have a hard time killing them. What I do is make sure to keep firing until I see that they have been killed all the way and not assume 2-3 bullets will do that job. Also, if I am killed by someone wearing a ballistic vest, I make sure my team knows and where the general area is that the player can be found. At least 7 times out of 10, the players are still in the general vincinity of the vest and my teammates make it a personal goal of theirs to kill the vest.
mp7 works best for taking our someone with a vest i have learned
It does but you'd be amazed how many MP7/Run and Gunners never check behind nor to their sides as they run around. They look at one point and run straight there which is how I take most of them out.
i usually run and gun but i usually look around as i am moving plus before i start moving i bring up the mini map to see where my teammates are and if they die then i move to go kill
sounds as if you are one of the smarter run and gunners and you have very little problems with the BV.
i get killed but people with vest but thats rare and sometimes i dont pay attention so i die but i always make sure someone the person im shooting at is dead on the ground before i keep moving, all i wanna see is ricohet (or how ever its spelt) is taken out of hc tdm, and kc
If you put effort about thinking about your reasons
1-Random Noobtubes and XM-25 Spam rendered useless
A. BV stands for ballistic vest,AkA, bullets, not FJ (Flak Jackets) that protect from 40mm grenades that your are calling "Noobtubes and XM-25". they also shouldnt protect from m67 or semtex stuck to you.
2-Campers with One Shot Kill Weapons end up in trouble.
B. I have family in both the army and marines, and a uncle who is a LEO, who play CoD MW3, they even say that in real life they get shot at it aint the Pistol rounds,being SMG or handgun they are truly worried, its the ones shoting High power rifle rounds, assault rifle, LMG, Snipers, as well as a shotgun which would tear a vest to sh*t. so no your reasons dont defend the vest. if anything they prove that the BV are overpowered
If you put effort about thinking about your reasons
1-Random Noobtubes and XM-25 Spam rendered useless
A. BV stands for ballistic vest,AkA, bullets, not FJ (Flak Jackets) that protect from 40mm grenades that your are calling "Noobtubes and XM-25". they also shouldnt protect from m67 or semtex stuck to you.
2-Campers with One Shot Kill Weapons end up in trouble.
B. I have family in both the army and marines, and a uncle who is a LEO, who play CoD MW3, they even say that in real life they get shot at it aint the Pistol rounds,being SMG or handgun they are truly worried, its the ones shoting High power rifle rounds, assault rifle, LMG, Snipers, as well as a shotgun which would tear a vest to sh*t. so no your reasons dont defend the vest. if anything they prove that the BV are overpowered
If you put effort about thinking about your reasons
1-Random Noobtubes and XM-25 Spam rendered useless
A. BV stands for ballistic vest,AkA, bullets, not FJ (Flak Jackets) that protect from 40mm grenades that your are calling "Noobtubes and XM-25". they also shouldnt protect from m67 or semtex stuck to you.
2-Campers with One Shot Kill Weapons end up in trouble.
B. I have family in both the army and marines, and a uncle who is a LEO, who play CoD MW3, they even say that in real life they get shot at it aint the Pistol rounds,being SMG or handgun they are truly worried, its the ones shoting High power rifle rounds, assault rifle, LMG, Snipers, as well as a shotgun which would tear a vest apart. so no your reasons dont defend the vest. if anything they prove that the BV are overpowered
If they would remove toobs and free firing rockets from Hardcore .id say yes nerf/remove vests but till then I have them on 5 of my 10 classes..With all the toobs and **** just being randomly shot all over vests seem to help alittle..Ive always thought hardcore shouldn't have toobs or free fire rockets.And yes I know there are ALOT of players that love there toobs but i just dont think they belong in Hardcore..
My team will never ever get vest because I destroy it.
Why
You forgot a question mark.
I'd shoot down your air support just to hear you rage.
I don't call in air support because I am too busy destroying everything that my team calls in or puts down.
I don't have a prob with the other team having vest because my team have them as well.
stop bit*hing bro i can see you a crap player for opening this thread
I completely agree with you OP, They are far too easy to spam and between them and constant spy planes you might as well just play core mode. Hardcore in MW3 isn't the game mode I'd grown to love in the previous games and it's a tesitment to the fact that IW either don't understand HC or don't care about it. The explosives nerf saw them almost completely removed from core modes and the game is better for it. The net effect of that is waaaaaay more tube spamming in HC, especially with the XM25 (a gun who's only use in core mode is to unlock recon pro)
I've always swapped and changed between game modes but in MW3 hardcore is just a mess, I can't play it for longer than a few matches anymore and it's a shame.
Personally, I don't have a big problem with vests. Only thing they ruin in hardcore for me is losing a double, triple, or multikill.
I like the idea of the Ballistic Vest. I enjoy being able to help my team by putting them down. My issue is with the way they implemented.
The Spam bothers me. They should have made vests like a chopper, you can only put one set out at a time. They should have made it so that you can only take one vest from a pile, even if you die. They should have made it so that you can only wear one vest. If you take one from a pile which then expires, you can't get another one from someone else's pile. They should have made it so the ballistic vest doesn't protect from explosions or headshots. They should have made it so that you either have to select all 3 killstreaks, or no killstreaks at all so that people can't just get the vests every five kills.
They should have, and didn't.
Yeah, those are good ideas you mentioned, but sadly those will never happen.
Yeah I know it. Shame really. I hope future titles learn from the mistakes of this one.
When I play HCDOM I only have UAV and BV on my support. I used to run the sentry gun as well, but the vest are life savers. Sorry. I know it gets frustrating. I play HCSND a lot, my only problem with the vest is me. Since I play HC and I use the MK14 alot I hit them with one shot and stop firing. That is usually what gets me.
I wouldnt change them being in the game cause I have them on all but one class out of my 5 classes, but I understand they are frustrating to go up against at times.