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Jul 23, 2012 7:19 AM

Air Support weakness

Why is it easier for enemy's to take out my Pavelow then my Cobra? I call in the Cobra and quickly get one or two kills at least before it is shot down, but when my big heavy comes in, it is downed before it even hits the map. I think high kill streaks should get a sort of "spawn protection" while on approach so you can at least get something for your effort.

  • Datguyjr Newbie
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    Jul 23, 2012 7:32 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    I do that so I wouldnt want that spawn protection idea but I do think higher kill streaks such as Pave Low should be harder to take down, at least add more flares if anything since it requires the same amount of kills as the AC130.

    • dubhicks Apprentice
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      Jul 23, 2012 7:54 AM (in response to Datguyjr)
      Re: Air Support weakness

      Something, I mean, if I get a pred, I am almost certain to get a Cobra. Which is why I am baffled at why it is so easy to get a Cobra and have it at least reach the map, where as it is much tougher to get the Pavelow, which is so slow it is downed instantly... Same with the AC, but it is much higher in the air than the Pavelow.

  • xxphenomen4xx Apprentice
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:17 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    hey dub, i'll tell you what i do when i see that senario come up.  i always run blind eye these days, as it takes only twenty to thirty rounds of my silenced mp7 to take down a recon plane, and get a pointstreak as a result!  anyways, if i wasn't running it when a chopper comes in i might switch then, especially if my clan is getting mowed down by the helo, so by the time you call in your pavelow im ready to down anything air support.  i experienced this senerio when i would call in pred, helo and ah6!  the standard chopper would get kills, but the ah6 would get downed quickly!?

    • dubhicks Apprentice
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      Jul 23, 2012 8:46 AM (in response to xxphenomen4xx)
      Re: Air Support weakness

      Yeah, thanks phenom, I get that people are more ready to down air support after the first chopper comes in. I just feel if the dev's knew people would be able to run Blindeye with a 2 missle system, then they would of made the Pavelow/AC130 a lower point streak. I mean, if I'm on a roll and get 5, then pred, then Cobra. Now on average, my Cobra only kills 1-2 dudes, meaning that I have to stay alive (with limited ammo if not running scavenger, which I don't) for at least 4-5 more kills. Now roll in the fact that 1/2 the community spams Support package, well then there are at least 2-3 SAM's I have to seek out before I even call in the Pavelow. All in all, just seemes like way too much effort for something that 9 times out of 10 doesn't even make it to the map. I do not fault guys for the way the play (Support, Blindeye, Assasin etc...) hell, that's good stratagy, I just wish I didn't have to work my balls off as an Assault guy to have my high pointstreaks nulled so quickly.

  • SULLY130EighT Expert
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:52 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    It only takes one Stinger shot to take down a Cobra. But it's comforting to hear your Pavelow is coming down with a quickness. That means more people are using anti airsupport these days which is rare for me to find. I feel like I'm the only one in the world who uses a Stinger these days.

  • ERROR_6_ Expert
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:53 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    I think kill streaks are fun, but are also a bit nooby, to have an automation runninga round the map kill people for you, really isnt you killing them, thast wh I think specialist is the true signs of the real good players. im guilty of using KS here and there, but I mostly use specialist.. in my opinion, I think KS should be even easier to kill

  • ghamorra Master
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    Jul 23, 2012 9:12 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    By the time you get a Pavelow there's a good chance and a SAM turret is out. Also once the enemy hears "enemy Pavelow inbound", they're more apt to respond than if they hear "Enemy Attack Helicopter in coming"

  • phxs72 Master
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    Jul 23, 2012 9:24 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    I'd try calling them in closer together.  That way at least one of them has a better chance of surviving.  The pavelow only takes two shots to down but it stays on twice as long at the AC130 which I think that devs thought would balance things but I'd rather have it set up like the AC130.  It's just too easy to shoot down as is which is why I don't run it.

  • dubhicks Apprentice
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    Jul 23, 2012 10:42 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    I ran Specialist for 4-5 prestige's already and got burnt out on it, mostly because at any given time in this game I am good for 6-9 gun kills before I die. So with Specialist on I was racking up points, and prestiging more quickly, but I wasn't have near as much fun as when I call in a pointstreak to cause the enemy team to find cover or look to the skies. More times than not, I would get Specialist and get shot in the back from crap spawning right after I mowed down the entire team; fun-hardly.But to each his own, I just don't like to do well, as well as one can when not handicapped by all the broken aspects of this game, just to have an awarded streak demolished before it even shoes up. To me, the most spamming comes from the Support package still to this day, and with SAM's as easy as they are to get, I should know better. Oh well, the real issue is that I suck at using a percision(or lack there of) air strike, or I would go that route.

  • not_dlundebjerg28 Novice
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    Jul 23, 2012 10:49 AM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    They're so easy to take out because when left alone they absolutely dominate. I've had games on Village where I'm getting constant +50 pop up on my screen because the enemy fails to take out my Pavelow.

     

    Personally I like the trade off. Id say 1 out of every 3 Pavelows I get absolutely dominates while the others get taken out fast. I would rather have the potential to dominate, with the trade off that it could get shot down quick

  • Scott240991 Expert
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    Jul 23, 2012 12:57 PM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    I haven't read all the prevous posts but maybe a couple of the enemy's got killed by your cobra...switched classes, took out your cobra and then were ready to get rid of your pavelow as soon as they heard it incoming!

  • mike030270 Apprentice
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    Jul 23, 2012 1:03 PM (in response to dubhicks)
    Re: Air Support weakness

    Be thankful your cobra got a couple kills. I will shoot down a heli before it reaches the map. What I wish is that we didn't have so many helicopter based killstreaks. You can't call in an osprey if there is a heli in the air already, which sucks since an osprey is more than doubled the killstreaks required to get it. Hell, if there is killstreaks in the air, you can't even call in a damn care package. Way too many helicopter based killstreaks.

    • dubhicks Apprentice
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      Jul 23, 2012 1:39 PM (in response to mike030270)
      Re: Air Support weakness

      From my experience there are way more SB's and EMP's than anything else. I see maybe one other heli come in (other than mine) in most matches. But you can almost bet on at least 3-4 SB's with equally as many EMP's, seeing as most people I play against like the AUAV/SB/EMP setup. But I have been in a binde a few times trying to get all my heli's in before the match is up. But at least the enemy has the chance to shoot down heli's to clear up room. When an EMP goes off, it's fixed for the whole duration, no killing it. That is why I generally try to get my pointstreaks out as quickly into the match as I can, because either the enemy's haven't equipped there ai rsupport killing class yet, or they are too far from an EMP to ruin my day.

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