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Big_FN_Target Novice 32 posts since
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Jul 21, 2012 2:21 PM

Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

Disclaimer; This is me venting a bit, whether this falls on deaf ears or not I could honestly care less. I just feel the need to vent and figured others who feel the same way can chime in and add their two cents.

 

So, if you're like me, you are one of those players that enjoys realism in games. Now don't get me wrong, I don't expect video games to be true to life, especially not the CoD franchise, because it was never designed to be a military simulation game. I do however, expect the dynamics of the game to be as close to real as possible. In a FPS the dynamics would be the interaction between players, i.e. killing eachother.

 

Personally, I can't stand it when I have to unload an entire magazine into an enemy just to kill him, because let's face it, that isn't even close to realistic. In the Core game modes it literally takes a dozen or more hits on an enemy to kill them, and god-forbid they have a vest on because you'll be unloading that entire magazine in order to put him down. The same goes for Sniper Rifles, if I have to shoot someone in the chest more than once with a Dragonov or a .50 cal in order to finish him off, than why in the hell would I want to use one?

 

This is why I choose to play in the Hardcore game mode types, because it is much more realistic in my eyes. When I shoot my MK14 into someone's midsection I fully expect them to fall to the ground in a slump and have that be the end of the fight, and for the most part in Hardcore this is true.

 

Now the reason I decided to write this post is because, as of the latest patches/nerfs/buffs, HC has become a shell of what it used to be. When I first started playing Hardcore and up until a month ago, Hardcore mode wasn't full of campers and tubers. Yes, there were some, but for the most part people moved around and didn't resort to cheap tactics for quick kills. Some people will disagree with this statement and say HC has always had campers, but in all honesty it was NEVER as bad as it is now.

 

Since they decided to change all this stuff in Hardcore mode (buffing vests, blast shield, etc) it seems to have had a direct correlation with the amount of cheap tactics people pull out in game. Now, I'm not complaining about people's play styles, if you want to sit in your corner and wait for half the game to get a kill, that's your choice, I'll get 30-10 and you can be happy with your 4 and 0.

 

What does piss me off, is that these noob kids who play Core all day long, come into a Hardcore match and expect to just run around like idiots around the map and cry and whine on the forums when they lose. They cry and cry and cry about weapons being too powerful, or that things like vests don't protect them like they do in Core and they need to be changed.

 

So what does Activision do? Caters to the Core players and totally F**KS UP Hardcore mode. Now you literally can't play a single match in HC without finding someone with a supervest, sitting in the corner somewhere, waiting for you to stumble into them.

 

It used to be, when I ran into a kid sitting in a corner, I would blast them with my shotgun or spray them down with an SMG and be on my way. Now I get a hitmarker or two before I'm dead and the kid STILL has some vest left for the next one or two people that make the mistake of moving.

 

Add to that the lag compensation BS and these kids feel like they actually have some sort of skills when it comes to playing CoD...

  • Mileslawlz96 Newbie 54 posts since
    Jun 20, 2012
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    Jul 21, 2012 4:17 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
    Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

    The only reason Hardcore matches take longer is BECAUSE they camp in corners so they don't die from just one shot. This has always held true in any game that has Hardcore gamemodes, whether you like it or not.
    I'm pretty sure that if Ballistic Vests and Blast Shield weren't buffed for Hardcore modes only (and I emphasize the word "only"), they would be useless. In fact, pre-patch, Blast Shield was useless in Hardcore, but now it's usable and makes it much more likely to survive an otherwise deadly explosion.
    Protip: Why not use the same tactics? You aren't going to survive in HC for very long, so pointstreaks are hard to come by... unless you're using Support. Include the Vests in your package. Don't be a retard and use Specialist, or even Assault. It'll make you look like an ass.

    Oh, and if you're complaining about TTK, it doesn't actually take a dozen shots, even against people with Ballistic Vests. It usually takes anywhere between one and six shots (really depends on the weapon, Sniper Rifles and Shotguns are obviously on the lower end of shots to kill). At most, against someone with a Ballistic Vest, it would take 12 hits, but that's only if you're stupid enough to use an SMG from very far away.
    I think you're talking about how much lead you shoot before being able to kill someone. In either case, save your damn ammo.

      • Mileslawlz96 Newbie 54 posts since
        Jun 20, 2012
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        Jul 23, 2012 4:37 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
        Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

        I like how you assume all these things about me. Sure, I'm not an all-knowing god at CoD, let alone HC, but since you clearly haven't seen me online, I can safely say that I also rush in HC, but it's just a much more stupid tactic than trying to find someone to shoot in HC.
        Camping is a legitimate tactic, most people just don't appreciate it when it happens to them. Rushing is a more primitive tactic, but it still works, and if you can often kill someone in one hit, why not? Oh wait, people still call bullcrap when they run into someone and get "panic knifed" (which I consider not to be a "noob" thing, but more of a test of your reflexes) or blown apart by a shotgun or quickscoper (the latter of which is stupid and requires a lot of luck or quick aquisition of a target, hence the name).

         

        As for killstreaks, I said they were hard to come by. I didn't necessarily say they were impossible to get, although if it looked like I implied it, I apologize.

  • whiteknight1902 Expert 1,488 posts since
    Aug 2, 2011
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    Jul 21, 2012 11:41 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
    Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

    lol people like you make me laugh, IT DOES NOT TAKE A FULL CLIP TO KILL IN CORE. It takes 3/4 to kill at most, also the mk14 is a 1 shot kill to the head in core which gets me to my next point......

     

    Hardcore players are very innacurate, this is the reason they say it takes a full clip to kill as they spray all over the place to get a kill. Go into any hardcore lobby and 80% will have accuracy below 10% maybe more.

     

    Blast shield working now was needed as all these sprayers used tubes to get their kills, and now you have some sort of help against the tubes and smaws. I play both core and hardcore (my friends only play HC) and yes there is a few campers on core but sometimes hardcore is ridiculous and to say its not is stupid. Also saying hardcore is harder to play than core is also stupid as its harder as you HAVE TO BE ACCURATE in core.

     

    Around 85% of players play core so why would the devs listen to the minority over the majority, sure there is a few annoying things like ricochet, dumbass team mates destroying your equipment and also face off should have HC aswell.

  • NoLifeKing23 Apprentice 827 posts since
    Jun 23, 2012
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    Jul 22, 2012 4:23 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
    Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

    There is definitely more tubing in HC than there is in core, but the camping is the same. People camp in core. People try to say they camp more in HC, no, wrong. The amount of camping is the same.

    • Shrydo Novice 147 posts since
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      Jul 22, 2012 5:17 PM (in response to NoLifeKing23)
      Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

      People do camp in core.  I'll see a few every now and then.  In HC, half the team is usually laying in a corner.  Play a few games of FFA in core, then play a few games in HC, big difference,  TDM and KC wont have as many as FFA but definately more,  DOM doesnt have much difference.  My personal experience with it. 

       

      Blast sheild needed a buff in HC.  It did nothing for you.  Vests have always given the player an advantage, thats why I run support on HC.  I mean, whats the point of wearing armor if 1 bullet will kill you anyway.  Body armor is fairly effective in this day and age.

       

      Maybe you ought to make sure your target is dead after you get a hitmarker with the mk14(not a run and gun weapon, btw).  You talk of their cheap tactics,  you're the one using an assault rifle with 1 hit kills. theres always uav, or flashbangs, or recon, or cordination with teammates that will give you the advantage over campers..  Be tactical when moving around.  Running around like a moron is for button mashing 12 yr olds, remember?

  • wolverinecm71 Expert 516 posts since
    Sep 2, 2011
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:46 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
    Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

    5 walls of text...wtf...If i wanted to read a book , I'd read a book..

  • darwin67 Novice 163 posts since
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:03 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
    Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

    As a player who mostly plays HC I couldn't agree more with the OP. I don't know what the hell has happened in the last month or so, but seriously, it started with the vest buff....and now blast shield. Why are there more nube toobs....because I waste more than HALF if not 3/4 of my ammo on vests ...never mind the fact that you can double and triple up on vests giving yourself even more bullet immunity. I blasted a guy with a SMAW in the face...and we shot me. seriously. HC has been ruined by IW, the leaders in we don't give a rats fart about the HC.

  • ill-lll Apprentice 985 posts since
    Aug 6, 2011
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    Jul 24, 2012 2:49 PM (in response to Big_FN_Target)
    Re: Why Did You Ruin Hardcore???

    The Blast Shield change didn't really alter anything. Are you guys playing Black Ops? Vests do more to reduce explosive damage, and I agree they are a bit out of whack due to the fact they offer additional health and protect damage to the head & limbs, in addition to offering a halo-style shield.

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