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gonavy_09 Master 5,351 posts since
Sep 22, 2011

Dear Europeans, I haz teh question

Posted by gonavy_09 on Jun 26, 2012 4:01 PM

What are your thoughts on this?
http://www.economywatch.com/in-the-news/eurozone-could-cede-sovereignty-on-natio nal-budget-to-EU.26-05.html%20/

 

Though everyone following this has an opinion (including myself) I want to know what the opinions of actual Europeans are. Not the media's opinion.

Please be respectful and civil.

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  • ByzantineBomb Expert 807 posts since
    May 8, 2012
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    As a non European, this looks like a step towards seemingly eventual and total assmilation of all the members states into one unified state.

      • ByzantineBomb Expert 807 posts since
        May 8, 2012
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        That's a possiblity as well, though I don't believe a lot would leave. I can imagine that a country across the pond isn't willing to make any sudden moves that could drastically alter their financial situation without knowing for certain what sort of consequences would entail.

    • -pictureframe- Master 11,871 posts since
      Sep 21, 2011
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      ByzantineBomb wrote:

       

      As a non European, this looks like a step towards seemingly eventual and total assmilation of all the members states into one unified state.

       

      I don't know about that. It's hard to imagine France, Germany, Italy or any other European country combining in any way. Different languages, different culture, not to mention they've all tried to kill each other for the past millennium or so.

    • ghosthound Master 13,212 posts since
      Sep 2, 2011
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      ByzantineBomb wrote:

       

      As a non European, this looks like a step towards seemingly eventual and total assmilation of all the members states into one unified state.

      Europeans should remember - 'united we stand, divided we fall'.

       

      A full political and financial union is what is needed in Europe. ASAP.

  • dtuchpunk Master 5,086 posts since
    Jun 9, 2011
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    A Europian here.
    Was against the euro from the start because of this.
    Only way it would work is becoming the United States of Europa.
    But that would have a lot of problems.

    • ByzantineBomb Expert 807 posts since
      May 8, 2012
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      Total unity isn't without problems no doubt. The linguistic and cultural barriers won't be overcome immediately but unifying (Some to most of) Europe isn't like combining Argentinia with India. Even in the US we have some of these issues. Can you believe that some people still don't know what a sweet tea is?! (Tea for those of you south of the Mason-Dixon)

       

      I can also imagine resentment at some nations being permitted to enter, nations deemed unfit, unread or potentially damaging. Hell, those of us living in the US still regret letting New Jersey ratifiy the constitution!

  • matuzz Master 6,070 posts since
    May 25, 2011
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    I'm pretty sure some nations will leave the EU eventually.

    After first one leaves its easier for others to leave also. Loaning money to every single country in debt just isn't possible.

    Eventually one nation will say no more. Spain is now asking for 100 billion euros. For Finland it means 2 billion euros. And we have population of only 5 million.

    • whenindoubtc4 Master 4,264 posts since
      Aug 26, 2011
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      I think Germany is growing tired of handing out the money, well, at least the people are, the government does not seem to mind handing it out.

    • ghosthound Master 13,212 posts since
      Sep 2, 2011
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      Germany benefits too much from the low value of the Euro.

       

       

      If they had to switch back to the German mark all their exports would cost more.

       

      The EU needs the various nations to bite the bullet and form a true political/legal/economic federation.

  • kamchakka Master 4,117 posts since
    Sep 24, 2011
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    No way this will ever happen. Look at Greece; they don't want faraway Germany deciding what to do with the financial state of the country. Like Pic said, old rivalries will never allow the EU to have their say on the national budget. It may be the thing we need to have, but I doubt it will ever work.

     

    Besides, Germany is getting sick and tired of being the EU's powerhouse. Many say Germany should just stop lending money to other countries altogether.

    • ByzantineBomb Expert 807 posts since
      May 8, 2012
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      Wouldn't blame them if they did, but how greatly would that impacted the EU if they chose to do so?

      • kamchakka Master 4,117 posts since
        Sep 24, 2011
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        I'm not an economical savant of course, but Germany is the number one economy in the EU, so I imagine we would be well and royally screwed if Germany decided to leave us in the dust.

  • dstr001 Master 4,147 posts since
    May 24, 2011
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    The EU is getting too power hungry IMO, they are supposed to be there to aid its member countries, not to force laws on them.

     

    Sorry, but this reeks of that new world order all the supposed nutjobs warned us about, the German chancellor is especially worrying me, it's as if she is threatening countries into doing what the "EU" wants.

     

    Makes me glad the UK is only partly involved; although i would prefer it to take itself out completely, but the unified currency is just the first step IMO.

  • QwertyBoredom Apprentice 1,033 posts since
    Nov 15, 2011
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    As somone who lives in the UK I can tell you we will leave the EU before we allow such a thing, we are in the unique position that we can do so without any real drawbacks (we still use the £ and most of our internation trading is with the U.S. and Asia.)  the govenment here has already stated a referendom on the issue of EU membership will go ahead if any extream events should happen (such as the one noted in the OP) and in all honesty support for referendom in the govenment has gotton to the point where one is almost inevitable now, the PM and the Tory's are now just waiting for the "right moment" (when they stand to gain the most) to announce it (they also need to ditch Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems).

    • kamchakka Master 4,117 posts since
      Sep 24, 2011
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      Indeed, the British have a unique and, I believe so, a desirable position. I can't blame them for not wanting to get involved with the EU too much, it's something we (as in, the Belgians) are neigh impossible to do.

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