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Bush_Wookie_95 Expert 511 posts since
May 12, 2012

Why are the LMGs on BO1 so Weak for Zombies?

Posted by Bush_Wookie_95 on May 27, 2012 6:10 AM

When i First Played zombies on World at War, the Mg42 and Browning M1919 were beast, they mowed down zombie waves after zombie waves. You could cause zombie genocide with those. When they were pack a punched, they were insane! MG42 with Double Tap and Speed Cola Pap was like dropping an atomic bomb.....on an ants nest, very messy!!!!
So When BO came out, i was like, ooohhhhh, new MGs, these will be beast. I Use them, they are worse than the SMGs! The HK21 is so poor its unreal. It has difficulty killing zombies even on round 12. Double Tap alievates that a bit, but theres no denying its awful. Even PaP, its like tickling the zombies with a glowing purple feather. Even the RPK, which is a bit better due to its fire rate, is like slapping them with a wet fish. Sounds like one too! Why couldn't we have had the M60, thats as powerful as the MG42 ever was! I use the Galil over the Mgs if i can get one, even though it has less ammo and a smaller mag size, i even trade the HK for a Famas.
So i beg for BO2, can we please have MGs for zombies which act the part, that can mow down zombies like a wildfire in a wood store! Because otherwise, if you give us crappy MGs again, save yourself Treyarch the time and money by not putting them in zombies in the first place, they are that bad. Bring back the MG42, or its modern equivalent, the MG3 (not the MG36, the MG3!), as used by the German Military. PLEASE!

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  • SR1 Newbie 12 posts since
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    SR1     May 27, 2012 8:42 AM (in response to Bush_Wookie_95)

    3arc, please ignore the above post, and leave the LMGs as they were in BO.

     

    It makes complete sense to me that LMGs are less powerful then assault rifles because they have more bullets. Also, i prefer using LMGs (in zombies only) because they give me more points, because they take more hits to kill and more hits = more points.

     

    After round 30 or so though they're pretty pointless because you should have enough points that you don't need to worry about getting points anymore, and killing zombies with less ammo becomes far more important. PAP'd Galil at about round 30 is beast because you get loads of ammo (nearly as much as the RPK) but it's so much more powerful.

     

    So, yeah, in the higher rounds i agree with you that the LMGs are pretty week, but they're great in the early rounds because you get more points from them than you do with assault rifles. And like i said, they shold be less powerful than assault rifles because you have more bullets than assault rifles.

  • Bush_Wookie_95 Expert 511 posts since
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    Bush_Wookie_95     May 28, 2012 2:05 AM (in response to SR1)

    Dude, are you a complete nutjob? LMGs are more powerful than ARs in real life, as they fire bigger rounds. ARs normally fire 5.56Nato rounds. MGs normally fire anything from 7.62 Nato to .50BMG. Why should the galil be more poweful anyways if it has a mobility advantage. The trade off of having an MG is that you run slower, so the sprinting zombies will screw you over. Have you ever played World at War zombies? I take that as a no, cause otherwise you wouldn't be making a comment like this

  • SR1 Newbie 12 posts since
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    SR1     May 27, 2012 9:18 AM (in response to Bush_Wookie_95)

    Oh, i didn't realise you were trying to compare ZOMBIES with REAL LIFE!

     

    Yes, obviously i know that LMGs are much more powerful than assault rifles in real life - you just have to look at the size of the bullets that they fire (like you rightly said).

     

    However, come on, comparing zombies and real life?... I don't think so. I was simply saying that i think it's fair that LMGs are less powerful than assault rifles (in a COMPUTER GAME like zombies) because you have more bullets. If LMGs had more bullets, and they were more powerful than assault rifles, then no one would ever use an assault rifle.

     

    There has to be some sort of balance (in a computer game) and moving a little bit slower really isn't enough of a disadvantage in zombies, because the zombies can't run as fast as you can walk - you can literally walk away from them even with an LMG, no matter what round even if you can get to round 1000, the zombies can NEVER run faster than you can walk. So making them less powerful than assault rifles balances them out - they take more bullets to kill, but you have more bullets.

     

    If you want realism added to zombies, then i don't think you can have a zombies mode can you? Because last time i checked, there was no such thing as zombies......  ......

  • poklane Expert 812 posts since
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    poklane     May 27, 2012 9:21 AM (in response to Bush_Wookie_95)

    True! Any LMG should be better then any Assault Rifle in zombies! I never wanna use a LMG in zombies in Black Ops because I run so slow and the reloads take longer. In zombies, it should be:

    1. Wonder Weapon

    2. Light Machine Gun

    3. Sniper

    4. Shotgun

    5. Assault Rifle

    6. Sub Machine Gun

    7. Handguns

    in terms of damage.

  • ZombieSlayaJay Apprentice 290 posts since
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    ZombieSlayaJay     May 27, 2012 9:22 AM (in response to SR1)

    Well said SR1....well said.

  • SR1 Newbie 12 posts since
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    SR1     May 27, 2012 9:48 AM (in response to poklane)

    Good point about releading taking longer, i forgot about that. You pretty much have to have slight of hand with an LMG - if you decide to keep it for a while anyway.

     

    But LMGs more powerful than sniper rifles? You sure you have that the right way round? So you have all of those bullets, and they are more powerful than sniper rounds? Surely that would mean one shot kills with an LMG in the early rounds?

     

    Plus, snipers have like 50 bullets or something, and have a slow fire rate - so you want an LMG with hundreds of bullets, and a rapid fire rate (compared to a sniper) and even more powerful than a sniper rifle?.... Something tells me this will never be implemented....

     

    I also think the LMGs should be less powerful than assault rifles - simply because you have more bullets. It's a balancing act - LMGs have more bullets than assault rifles, but take more bullets to kill so that kind of balances them out. Ok, you can move and reload faster with assault rifles, but you get more points from LMGs, which isn't a direct balance - but i like it. Plus, you have to reload less often with LMGs which balances out the reloading time.

     

    Personally, when it comes to zombies, if i get an assault rifle, i'll use it 'till it runs out of ammo. If i get an LMG, i'll use it 'till it runs out of ammo.

     

    By about round 25, if i have a Galil, i'll PAP that - if i have an LMG, i'll PAP that. By about round 30, i ditch the machine guns and go for a mustang & sally and Ray gun combo, leaving a 3rd gun slot (with mule kick) for pretty much whatever i get out of the box. I use all of that ammo, and then use mustangs and ray gun. If i don't get a max ammo, i go to the box and buy another gun, and repeat to fade.

  • Bush_Wookie_95 Expert 511 posts since
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    Bush_Wookie_95     May 27, 2012 10:41 AM (in response to SR1)

    wrong. Sprinter zombies can outrun you unless you have an AR, SMG or handgun

  • Bush_Wookie_95 Expert 511 posts since
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    Bush_Wookie_95     May 27, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to SR1)

    Ok, this is what is say, lets edit poklane's post a bit

     

    1.Wonder Weapons : Cause they are the badass weapons of the game!
    2. Snipers : Remember the PTRS-41 from World at War? That was beast, it fires Anti Materiel rounds
    3. LMGs : The badass belt fed weapons that cause mass genocide with waves of zombies. Just make

    sure you stay far enough away from the hoard when you reload and remember; you can

    barely run, look out for those sprinters!
    4. Shotgun : Area Denial weapons for zombies. Zombies hate these, but just make sure you get close.

    Less ammo, fast sprint, but watch out for those long reload times!
    5. Assualt Rifles : This game's bread and butter. Come in all shapes and sizes with different

    characteristics. Generally a medium ammo count, but these weapons vary so much, its

    hard to say. An all-rounder.
    6. Sub-Machine Guns : Rapid-Fire, run and gun weapons for when things get a bit close. Not much

    ammo, but makes up for it with quick reload times and a fast sprint speed and

    draw time.
    7. Handguns : Apart from one exception : Weak, yet rapid fire guns used as a last resort. Your starting
    weapon too. Good for point hoarding, but trade it out quick for when the meaner, faster
    zombies come.
    This is what it should be in terms of damage. No arguement. World at War got the balance just right for zombies. Please, lets go back to that.
    Also, thanks for the smart ass sarcasm SR1, i know zombies don't exist, i just want a game thats believeable, i know this is extreme, but i don't want a game say, where handguns are the most powerful weapon! Keep weapon damage in terms of the real world, with real world disadvantages like sluggish mobility, long reloads, less ammo, less damage etc. Big Rounds=Big Death Toll. Always has, always will, always should.

  • Pyric Apprentice 864 posts since
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    Pyric     May 27, 2012 12:40 PM (in response to SR1)

    (@SR1) Dude you are so retarded. the idea isn't to have complete realism but that doesn't mean you just mess with physics for no reason. you have to keep some notion of PLAUSABILITY, not possibility, not realism, but plausabiity. meaning if a rifle has bigger, more powerful bullets then it should do more damage.

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