May 25, 2012 6:59 PM
Is the term "overpowered" the most pathetic excuse for getting beat ever?
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All I hear in this forum is overpowered this and overpowered that from almost everyone, where the hell did this word come from, I have played many games, in Street Fighter you go the best fighter because hes the best but its not considered op, in racing games you go the best car but its not considered op, in FIFA you build the best team and its not considered op, its called winning and using the best tools at your disposal to do so so why on earth does nearly every single person on this forum say if you use the best gun your using so called "OVERPOWERED WEAPONS", why?
Yes.
Yeah it really is sad, especially when you hear all these good players complaining about it, any other game you go what you think is best but on cod they want people to use lesser weapons, I wonder how many of these people play sports games and use the worst team, I reckon none would.
Yes... and no.
The fact of the matter is, there are some guns in this game what have an advantage over others. There is no getting around it. I play Hardcore, so I don't see it as much (the exception being the MP9), but playing Face Off on core has opened my eyes. When I get the drop on an enemy, put a well aimed clip of bullets into him with an M4 or G36, get hit markers and then get killed when they turn and kill me with one burst from their Type 95... was that them having more skill?
I agree, its used as an excuse, but its also a fact of life in this game. Its frustrating to have the tactical advantage only to get insta-killed by a weapon packing an unbalanced amount of power.
My biggest pet peeve at the moment is the MP9. Its a secondary with more power than some, if not most, of the primaries. Frustrating to lose one on ones with this weapon, which is being abused heartily in HC, where many have been using it as a primary, and getting kills from range.
You cant say yes and no, what does that mean? its either a yes or no is it not?
Because I am not a believer in excuses. If I lose I lose. HOWEVER, the issue with this game is there is a lot of inexplicable things going on. I've had some ridiculous things happen in which I do all the right things, my aim is dead on... but because the other guy is using a certain weapon.. I get killed. I think its one thing to complain or use it as an excuse, but all of that comes from somewhere. There is definitely unbalanced weapons in this game, and sometimes there are legitimate complaints. I don't think you can disagree that the guns in this game are inconsistent at best. Sometimes you get a kill with a single shot, while other times you need to lace an entire clip into the enemy.
Right there is unbalanced guns but everyone has the choice to use the best ones, when I play FIFA I use a Scottish Premier League team rated 3 stars and mostly play against 5 star rated teams, if I lose I don't go crying its op, what makes this game so different from every other game on the market?
Not sure about the comparison. The point is that they put different guns into the game for a reason. Not everyone wants to use the same gun all the time. I understand they are going to have different strengths and weaknesses, but they shouldn't be so handicapped that they are almost useless. Variety is the spice of life, and besides that, there are challenges and accomplishments to unlock with other weapons.
Listen, I agree, sure, everyone has access to those weapons. But the point is the others shouldn't be so useless that one only can use a certain few weapons to have success.
Actually his comparisons are good examples. Hes just saying, picking the best gun or team thats gonna give you the better advantage to your playing style doesnt mean that its overpowered. People usually only complain that certain guns are overpowered because theyre sick of getting killed by it.
So when one Pro Football team loses to another 100 to 0 when the coach says that the other team was overpowered then it wasnt true ? ![]()
It comes down to mixing and matching perks and or weapons to give yourself a good combination that will work on that particular map and that particular gametype.
Like when you are playing Nuketown and running Akimbo as "equipment detection perk" then you got a good class for that map.
Or in BF3 Terms. When you are playing the "Metro" and you are carrying around the weapon that only wipes out Aircraft then you are playing the wrong setup.
Forgive any typos in this post. I just tried 2 bottles of Mike Hard Lemonade and loving it ![]()
Ive never heard a football coach say that the other team was "overpowered", haha. They all get the same training. Its all about who was more prepared, ready, and tryed harder and put more effort in to win the game.
Mmm, Mikes hard actually sounds pretty good right now. Havent had it in a while. ![]()
Just to be argumentative .. LOL. I see your point. But consider this.
Lets say the dominant football team was all juiced up on Performance enhancing drugs, such as Steroids or HGH or Flintstone Vitamins. Would you still have considered that a fair match?
nicedrewishfela wrote:
Just to be argumentative .. LOL. I see your point. But consider this.
Lets say the dominant football team was all juiced up on Performance enhancing drugs, such as Steroids or HGH or Flintstone Vitamins. Would you still have considered that a fair match?
Steroids are a sports violation so that wouldnt be included because they shouldnt be there.
Soooooo
Boosters, cheaters and hackers are not counted in this because they shouldnt be there either. They are a violation of Xbox Terms.
This topic isnt about using violations to win.
Think you missed my point. In fact you didn't even come close to it.
Craig knows the script.
Roger, roger.
Hey craig F50 PGR3, soz, i'm op.
Your only overpowered when you can do batman, aint gona happen, ever.
I look at it like this, yes some guns are just better then others, but each gun has its on "type" or "class" you got shotguns SMG snipers AR etc. and each one of these different class types should have its strengths and weakness for balancing purpose. now when one gun does WAY better then it should for its class *IE a shotgun killing from a ridiculous distance away* then that gun is over powered, because it shouldn't be as powerful as it is.
Take for example a racing game it would be like a lambo getting walked out by a PT cruiser
Or a sports game where a linebacker can run faster then the best receiver
Both these instances would be something that is "over powered" and there are some guns that indeed have that (imo anyways) like I believe the PP90 has too much damage per bullet for a SMG that ***** them out so fast lol, I feel the MP7 has way too little recoil for it damage/speed especially at a range omg its as good as an AR it seems. Hell I think we can all agree akimbo FMG's were OP
Thats just my take on things
I totatally agree with this Post
There are many reasons for this, one being, it's never their own fault, it's always someone or something else.
xbevz wrote:
There are many reasons for this, one being, it's never their own fault, it's always someone or something else.
Thats Craig1690's fault because you posted this ![]()
Craig, if you're speaking from the HC perspective, all weapons used in HC are usable and still effective. I mean today during a HC clan op, I was dropping players instantly with the PM-9 & Akimbo Magnum 44's. (And I'm not a HC player by the way, been playing core from the beginning)
However in core, these weapons are viewed as weak compared to the favourites including the ACR, Type 95, MP7, PP90-M1, Striker etc.
I'm not viewing that these weapons are OP & "gamebreaking", just stating that those weapons are more difficult to use & rare to be killed by in core.
In core, weapon variety is limited compared to hardcore. I can't remember the last time I was killed by a Model 1887, M16 or the PM-9.
I use these underused weapons not for an advantage but for a challenge & to encourage players to get out of their comfort zone & be more proactive in trying out new weapons as I did in Black Ops when I encouraged players to try SMG's like the Spectre, MPL, Mac-11, Kiparis etc over the AK-74u.
Players are entitled to use whatever they want but when I look at players who aren't making the most of the weapons that are in the armory, I think of as if they're playing the trial version of the multiplayer where they are restricted to a couple of weapons.
I enjoy being killed by a Model 1887, a PM-9 or a LMG. It makes me want to switch to some wacky class to compete against them.
Very well put sir, my thoughts exactly.
Don't use SF as an example lol The SF community banned Akuma because he was "op".
Anyway, no the "******* camper" is.
For me, I just have ask what is the point in having a wide range of guns when the whole gun system is unbalanced? It only makes sense that people will go for the guns that are over-powered. It is the same reason why most camp, they want to come out on top. But if IW is going to make an unbalanced gun system why even adding the other guns?
Well, lets ask ourselves, what does overpowered mean? First, lets take the word over, in this situation meaning to excess. Secondly, the word powered, the past participle of the word power meaning physical force of strength. Put together they of course make the word "overpowered". Sadly the term "overpowered" was lost in translation hundreds of years ago and to this day scholars debat the true meaning. One of the more popular beliefs states that overpowered means "Whodey! Whodey! Whodey think gonna beat them Bengals?'
overpowered is a cowards word they need to get a backbone.
Yes, it's the worst excuse ever. Now, if there were guns that only Elite Premium members could use, then I could see reason for all the complaining. I'd be pretty frustrated too if someone had a better gun than me because I didn't fork out extra money on the game. However, everything in the game is readily available for all players to use. If a gun is better than yours, USE IT or shut the hell up. I'm so tired of people complaining because they want to inflate their e-peen by trying to dominate the game with a crappy gun. Either get better with your crap gun, switch to a better gun, or stop complaining.
Well put cobain87 ![]()
I get your point, But what is the point in having the other guns if people are going to be at an disadvantge using them? Does not seem right not balancing out the guns in each class. Why not just have the one/two guns in class? Why not just have the few maps that everyone plays on? Why not just have one CoD game?
All the different guns and their strengths and weaknesses are what gives the game its variety. If there are guns known to have more weaknesses than others and one decides to use them, he knows the risks he is putting himself in. If all the guns were of equal value there wouldnt be as much variety. And even if the guns were all of equal value, there would still be guns that were used more than others.
Because shooting someone first with a certain gun only to have theirs drop you in 2-3 shots when yours takes 5-6 and shoots slower?
A lot of the OP complaints are just preception of the person being shot. I have had matches where I was doing great(for me it was) I had the M4A1 and the M16 as secondary primary.
Things were going great until I killed someone and we had a host migration Then things went down hill from that point.
I shot someone in the tunnel in interchange. I heard 3 hitmarkers and then died. I had shot several other people the same way and got the kill. I then shot at someone that from my point of view they were looking the other direction.
I shoot and get nothing. I shoot again and die From the kill cam it showed him already turned around and shooting and I wasn't even shooting at all and was turned slightly.
So it's not about the weapons or anything being overpowered it's the lag/lag comp and hit detection that causes allot of the overpowered statements.
simply put if you are on the good side of lag/lag comp then things will be great, but if not then every weapon will seem OP.
RblDestro wrote:
I get your point, But what is the point in having the other guns if people are going to be at an disadvantge using them? Does not seem right not balancing out the guns in each class. Why not just have the one/two guns in class? Why not just have the few maps that everyone plays on? Why not just have one CoD game?
I dunno if I've ever played a game where all the weapons were perfectly balanced honestly. I think some guns end up looking good stat-wise on paper, but in execution they just kinda suck. Maybe the devs do that on purpose, maybe it's an accident, I don't know. I just know that ever since I started playing shooters, I've made it a point to test out every weapon available. I spend a lot of time and effort trying to find the BEST gun/s available (to me, carefully taking into account my own playstyle) in the game. It's half the fun for me. I jumped on the CoD bandwagon at the end of CoD4, so I could be wrong as I don't remember it well, but it seems like there are a LOT more guns to choose from in the more recent versions of CoD. I think some are just bound to be crappy, and it's up to the player to identify them and avoid them, or use them if they're seeking more of a challenge.
With the maps, in my opinion it's not as bad as you make it sound. The only one I see that's an automatic vote-loser is Downturn. I dunno why people hate that map so much. Granted I don't have any of the DLC maps so maybe you're talking about that.
they put overpowered guns in mw3 so gunfights would be quicker, and overpowered guns counter the overpowered guns by being overpowered- lol
theres always guns that will be overpowered, example. the rpg if you use it right its overpowered ![]()
Yes, though I wouldn't deny that some guns are better than all the others.
Overpowered/Overused = PP90-m1 rapid fire
Underpowered/underused = M16
Make sense?
Not true.
Overpowered= faster than normal kill time, little or no recoil, long range and little need for aim.
Underpowered= long kill time/inconsistent OSKs, with any of: high recoil, short range, and need for exceptional aim.
Make sense?
Oh I'm sorry. Let me fix it.
Overpowered = PP90 Rapid Fire Range
Underpowered = M16
That work better? Lol
How much wood could a mother fkn wood chuck chuck if a fkn wood chuck mother fkn could chuck wood?
Obviously a lot if he is Overpowered
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"feel like *** dying my stomach hurts and i am sweating like crazy and my vission was blurry"
Just saw a guy use this excuse after a game of snd where he got the business.
Oh wow, hahah.
What do you think he meant by that ****? lol
The only thing I have seen since COD4 that is consistent when it comes to "overpowered" guns is that the person complaining that a gun is OP is the one that gets killed by a gun he is not using.
There's no point in having a large variety of guns if they all work exactly the same. At that point, the decision to use a gun is based on aesthetic appeal, not performance.
There is a real and distinct reason for having guns that really suck really bad: to present a challenge to players.
In other words, sure I have a 3.0 KDR with the L118A. But, though I have just barely started using the Dragunov, I have only a 1.44 KDR with it. Obviously the Dragunov is much, much weaker.
Anyone can do well with the L118A ... but someone that can do well with the Dragunov?? That's cool, IMO.
The problem is that 95% of the community doesn't look at gaming in that fashion.
And Activision is all about catering to weekend warriors. After reading the perks that have been supposedly leaked for BO2? Yeah, I think MW3 is the last time we will be arguing about guns being OP or UP ... from now on, they will differ only in aesthetics.
That should keep everyone happy.
I disagree, the differences between guns are and should be effectiveness over range. The guns that consistently perform better than other guns over a wide variety of ranges are the 'overpowered' guns, eg. the MP7 and PP90M1, which when equipped with rapid fire, dominate close range, and still have little recoil and high damage at medium to long range.
The idea is each gun is meant to be specialised to different situations, and when a gun is specialised in all situations with no drawbacks, then it is overpowered.
In one word
YES.
People only claim a weapon or kill streak or perk or piece of equipment is OP when they get killed by it too many times and refuse to learn to adapt and overcome or use the weapon themselves.
There is NO OP weapons or anything OP in this game series and never was. Just was a bunch of players that cried about getting killed by players that were the only true OP things in the game.