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When do you think CoD will finally die?

Posted by DerBatmen on May 6, 2012 12:34 AM

READ THIS: I personally like Call of Duty and already have my pre-order of Black Ops 2. I cannot wait for this game to come.

 

Every year, its almost an annual tradition of gamers to state that people are tired of cod and want something more, but every year the sales get bigger and bigger and bigger?

 

When do you think CoD will finally die? if ever...

 

Personally, I don't see it dying until next gen. With the new generation of consoles right around the corner, they will obviously try to put a CoD game as a launch title, and it will sell out the bazongas. I don't think it will be until a new face comes along that is better than CoD, and nothing has come along yet.

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  • robbierocket Master 3,549 posts since
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    robbierocket     May 6, 2012 3:50 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    COD could potentially be dying now, with "death" as you put it coming for the release after Black Ops II. Or, Black Ops II could re-steady the ship from the rolling seas of the last 2-3 years.

     

    COD4:MW has to be seen as a resurrection or birth of sorts and COD:WAW did nothing but confirm the promise that this could be a great series.

     

    COD:MW2 could be seen as the start of a decline in terms of ideas and cash-ins, however the real problems came afterwards and lie with lag (connectivity, matchmaking, lag compensation, poor porting, etc.). This was a real shock to fans of the genre when it arrived alongside COD:BOps. The game itself (innovation, balancing, design, etc.) stormed COD back up from the lull of MW2's lack of uniqueness but a whole new b***tard beast was unleashed.

     

    When these game-breaking issues were not addressed adequately in COD:MW3 (in fact, it's even worse) that the game was even less imaginative and balanced than it's forebear, MW2 didn't really matter. That MW3's maps and spawns were atrocious is in pale insignifigance alongside the fact that not only can you be insta-killed by intended game mechanics but along by poor game design and shockingly awful lag. Many deaths are hard to figure until the killcam plays. This is no COD of mine, or ours.

     

    If Treyarch pull out a gem for COD:BO2 (and I know they will plan to) then all that remains is the lag question.

     

    The answer to this question will answer your question. Lag largely resolved and COD will live on and thrive, even at next gen time. If the lag is gamebreaking for the third game in-a-row, irreparable damage will have been done and COD's days, like those of "Soap" McTavish and shower soap will be numbered.

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      DerBatmen     May 6, 2012 11:10 AM (in response to robbierocket)

      I get tired of people always saying MW2 was the downfall of the series.

       

      Take away OMA and DC and you have the best multiplayer on the planet. Even those perks were only bad because the community glitched them up. Commando was a good perk but again, Infinity Ward didn't count on the community abusing the hell out of it.

       

      MW2 was a huge innovation for the series, and aside from those issues was pretty much perfect. Some of my best online experiences ever were playing with friends on MW2.

       

      Black Ops came and while it wasn't the worst CoD it wasn't that good either. It had an extremly slow paced and is the only CoD game where I have won and lost matches because of Time, not score. It was OK, but IMO was a dissapointment coming from MW2, which techincally was so well built

       

      MW3 is good once you get around the frustrations. Yes people camp and etc. Yes people use overpowered guns, but its issues have been no different than the issues in other CoD games. The biggest issue however is Lag Compensation, Blops 2 needs to abandon this system, because it is terrible. Only Blops and MW3 have had this.

      • Grayewsable Expert 942 posts since
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        Grayewsable     May 6, 2012 11:28 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

        "Take away OMA and DC and you have the best multiplayer on the planet." Excuse me Sunny Jim, but you think things such as Commando, ten-foot knife lunges, piss-poor spawn systems, overpowered AR's, no effective counter-perks, shotgun secondaries and minimal post-release support were positives for the series? Better than Black Ops? **** the **** off.

         

        I don't care how innovative some of MW2's implimentations were, the backward steps negated ALL of that. Black Ops had all of MW2's apparent innovation, minus the bullshit. Most importantly they had a balancing of the weapons, most of the perks, the maps, the mechanics - everything that MW2 fell down upon.

         

        The mortal sin of any FPS is to die when it is not your fault; to die to a mechanic of the game which you have no chance to fight back against - which sums up the MW2 experience to a large extent.

         

        The more balanced and fair a game is, the better a good player will do, and the more abusive mechanics in a game there are to take advantage of, the more poor players will exonerate that game.

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          DerBatmen     May 6, 2012 11:55 AM (in response to Grayewsable)

          Like I said half of MW2s problems can be blamed on the community and how the abused the system. If you take DC and OMA for what they were, they were great perks, nobody expected people to use them for INFINITE NOOB TOOBS. Same with Commando, looking at it objectivly it was a great perk, nobody expected that people would use it for teleportation powers.

           

          Blops is the most boring CoD game to date. When it first came out matchmaking was horribly broken and was spreading out parties all over the place. Hit Detection was horrible and still is, and it takes near entire clips to kill people to this day. Blops was the first to use Lag Compensation and it shows.

           

          MW2 was like playing Dogeball while the gym teacher was asleep. Blops is playing Dogeball with the teachers rules.

           

          Spawn Systems are horrible in ANY game, and if you think Blops had better spawns then MW2 you are insane. Minimum support can be blamed on the legal battle between Activision and Infinity Ward.

           

          Some people really need to grow up, you will never get your argument across if all you do is scream and cuss at people.

          • Grayewsable Expert 942 posts since
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            Grayewsable     May 6, 2012 12:14 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

            Scream and cuss? Stop your flaccid attempt at taking the moral highground with false accusations.

             

            Black Ops is a boring game? I'll agree that the pace of the game is slower than MW2 or 3, but does that mean it's a bad game? Calling it slow and boring is a matter of perspective. Surprisingly, all of the players critisizing BO for being boring usually started with MW2 as their first game and are now used to that standard.

             

            About the whole Infinity Ward lawsuit fiasco. What, did the whole development department have to go down to California's supreme court daily for 12 months? That court case is no excuse for the worst support I've ever seen for a mainstream game.

            I won't judge a game on the basis of what potential it had and intentions the developers had over the actual excecution and support of the game - because that's what actually affects my experience when playing it.

             

            Lag compensation was the afterbirth of the all-star team that aborted MW3 from the womb, not 3arc - get your facts straight.

             

            You're like a bad parent - trying to desperately defend your childs actions and intentions over the last term, when every other parent and teacher at the school's open evening can clearly see what a horrible little **** it really is.

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              DerBatmen     May 6, 2012 1:16 PM (in response to Grayewsable)

              Again you can quit with the name calling because it doesn't help your argument at all.

               

              Lag Compensation began in Black Ops. Also, I started with Call of Duty 2, it was the very first game I played on Xbox 360, and my very first xbox live game. I then moved on to MW, then WaW, then MW2, then BO, then MW3

               

              You need to just calm down and relax, go find a glass of water or something, I think you are taking the internet a little bit too seriously.

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          esmorgue     May 7, 2012 3:30 AM (in response to Grayewsable)

          Grayewsable wrote:

           

          "Take away OMA and DC and you have the best multiplayer on the planet." Excuse me Sunny Jim, but you think things such as Commando, ten-foot knife lunges, piss-poor spawn systems, overpowered AR's, no effective counter-perks, shotgun secondaries and minimal post-release support were positives for the series? Better than Black Ops? **** the **** off.

           

          I don't care how innovative some of MW2's implimentations were, the backward steps negated ALL of that. Black Ops had all of MW2's apparent innovation, minus the bullshit. Most importantly they had a balancing of the weapons, most of the perks, the maps, the mechanics - everything that MW2 fell down upon.

           

          The mortal sin of any FPS is to die when it is not your fault; to die to a mechanic of the game which you have no chance to fight back against - which sums up the MW2 experience to a large extent.

           

          The more balanced and fair a game is, the better a good player will do, and the more abusive mechanics in a game there are to take advantage of, the more poor players will exonerate that game.

          I would love to hear how balanced the weapons were in Black Ops. Oh and the spawns seeing as how they had to be addressed as any other game.

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    cardzfan1     May 6, 2012 7:01 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    CoD wont die until Activision stops making as much money as they want. The sales are ever rising so I can see my grand children play CoD (inserts # here)

  • Grayewsable Expert 942 posts since
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    Grayewsable     May 6, 2012 10:47 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    Since the market keeps growing for consoles and games, Call of Duty will too. The only way I can see it dying is for another FPS series to overtake CoD at the release of the next-gen' console which always comes with a massive fall in the market and then massive exponential growth - as did happen in 2005 and 2006.

     

    CoD 4 came up with the winning mainstream FPS forumula in 2007 and with it, they have had control of the market for the past 5 years.

    The next generation of consoles will bring the next generation of FPS series, and whoever wins that title fight, will win the majority of the market for the next half a dozen years.

    • robbierocket Master 3,549 posts since
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      robbierocket     May 6, 2012 11:44 AM (in response to Grayewsable)

      Well said! And right-on earlier about MW2.

       

      I wasn't actually stating that it was the start of the end for COD, I was stating that COD4 had blown everyone away and WAW showed everyone this was a series, not a one-hit wonder. MW2 went off at a tangent and whilst, yes, I have some great memories from it, that was down to quick and easy connection to games and friends. Connection-wise MW2 ruled, innovation and balance-wise, it was a horid step out of line.

       

      So, thanks for covering that ange in my absence.

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    mike030270     May 6, 2012 12:15 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    MW2 was awesome until people started to learn how to noob tube and boost and then hack the game. Black Ops was awesome too. MW3 is awesome despite the lag and other crap. Black Ops ll will be awesome too. Besides the fact that MW3 took 16 days to hit $1 billion. I doubt CoD is going anywhere.

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    EndofGame     May 6, 2012 12:55 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    COD will die when all the consumers realize they are paying $60 for the same **** every year.

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    WeirdGuy     May 6, 2012 2:50 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    It won't die anytime soon, that's for sure. Unless something that's similarly noob-friendly and fast-paced comes along, of course.

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    -pictureframe-     May 6, 2012 3:52 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    When will CoD die? Well I've stuck around for 11,000+ posts and I don't plan on leaving anytime soon. In fact, the only CoD game I didn't enjoy was MW2. A user stated earlier in this thread that many of MW2's problems were the result of the community abusing certain aspects of the game. That is a poor excuse. It is up to the developers to make sure their game mechanics cannot be abused, and if they are, to correct them. Infinity Ward failed to do this on multiple occasions.

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    TWEAKisaFREAK     May 7, 2012 1:17 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    CoD will die when they run out of ideas... are you not happy with CoD? if so, don't buy it O_o

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    dtuchpunk     May 7, 2012 2:02 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    For gamers who played cod for a long time it can go death. But for those gamers new gamers will start playing.

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    ghosthound     May 7, 2012 2:30 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    Call of Duty will only die when the last gamer standing has fallen...

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    matuzz     May 7, 2012 3:24 AM (in response to DerBatmen)

    When humans stop breeding.

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    iloveshotguns     May 7, 2012 4:48 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    Probably by mid next year (thats when respawn's game comes out!!!)

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    AmericanCapitalist     May 7, 2012 6:53 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    Game will die when Activision crumples or they try to redo it with a failed engine. I could see them *updating* the engine and it turn out like MoH did which was just running off DICE's engine which is totally different from the original game.

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    SweetInsanity     May 7, 2012 6:57 PM (in response to DerBatmen)

    When people stop buying the games.

     

    Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk died because no new changes were made, and people got tired of it.

     

    However, people still play the COD games every year, and until they stop buying the games, even when they say it doesn't interest them, Activision will continue to make money and publish games.

     

    It's the same reason we still have "Date Movie" And "Epic Movie" and all those other pieces of crap.

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