Feb 6, 2012 10:43 AM
Wouldn't it be nice...
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What if COD and/or PSN offered a pay system that would allow you to play with real gamers? (Kinda like the fee that XBOX players pay to play online). I mean, if they wanted to charge me say 5-10 bucks a month for a premium service (not the Elite BS they pawn off as premium), I would be more than happy to pay to play and have fun. As it is now, we all buy the game and have to play with anyone that signs on to the PSN, be that a kid or an adult.
What I am getting at is by paying with a credit card (and having to prove that the CC is issued to you), PSN/COD could all but garuantee that you were playing with the demographic community this game was "suppose" to be targeting. Not to mention that having to pay more money for something that you could already get for free would keep most/all of the kiddies in the kiddy pool (regular playlists etc.)
So essentially, you could have a lobby that was dedicated to people who love to play the game the way it is designed to be played, and a lobby that is for everyone else to do whatever the hell they feel like doing without getting on the paid users nerves. Lets face it, all the jerks that p!ss us off, do so because they are able to plug and play after they aquire the game.
Just my thoughts on it. I'm sure it would never happen, but man, wouldn't it be nice...
that wouldnt stop the kids playing they have parents with credit cards besides its not just kids that spoil this game so called adults can be just as annoying
Correct, but most do it because its free to them. I could almost garauntee that if you were asked to pay for something you could already get for free, that the magority of people that are mucking up the gameplay would stay on the free side. Sure you would get a few in the paid lobbies, but I'm sure the number would be drastically cut down. It is just a thought though, and as for practicality, I'm certain there would be alot more to it than just paying to get a better gaming experience.
And to the parents paying for the kiddo's, thats easy, PSN would just have to make sure that the CC being supplied matches the persons name on the card. They could also make it a headache for parents by making them submit aadditional information in order to pass it, like SS# and identification verification etc... Most parents would decide by that point that it would be just as playable to there kids to play the free lobbies, so why submit all that and 50-100 bucks more a year for a kid that has ADHD and won't be playing after 3 months anyway...
im a xbox gamer and theres plenty of annoying kids still around
They don't have a choice, they have to pay to play. I'm talking about PSN where it is free, and if you added a charge, mostly only true gammers would pay for it...
You missed his point. They had a choice the day they bought the XBOX. It was Cheaper at the time then the PS3 and was advertised as a $60 dollar a month service,Yet they choose the XBOX and their parents paid it all for them.
It would be nice if like you said it could actually separate us but, unfortunately there are parents that $10 a month to keep my kid out my hair ok you got Son.
My opinion it won't work. You would just have 2 sets of play lists that are messed up. Maybe you could have an MLG only List where you would have to enter an MLG license # to play if they actually have that, IDK.
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1) Why would we want to pay for something that's free?
2) You honestly think anyone on this earth would pay more money (via third party payments) to Novision for a premium lobby?!
3)You mad?
Its how america works. A bunch of idiots. They argue cause someone running for pres payed less of a % in taxes than them. (He also did it legally and by investing which you get the lower tax % as there is risk in doing so) But instead of arguing that all ppl pay less taxes that this persons taxes should be higher. IDK american just thinks if you blow more money govermnent will become less corrupt or fairer or whatever. Makes no sense to me.
I don't think this would have the result that you envision.
First of all, I don't think a credit card and willingness to pay is the mark of "true gamers playing the game the way it was designed to be played." For all intents and purposes, everyone playing right now is a gamer playing the game the way it was designed. More fees will only drive away the players that aren't interested in paying more fees. I paid for Premium Elite and haven't got half the features that were advertised yet; I'd be even more skeptical of a "premium lobby" fee.
The other thing I don't think you can define clearly is this "lobby that was dedicated to people that love to play the game the way it was designed to be played." I think if you picked 10 random people from this forum, or even from within the game, and asked them how they thought the game was designed to be played, you would get a dozen different answers.
I'm not understanding the logic here. I'm a "true" gamer, I love playing all sorts of games COD being one. But I wouldn't pay for PSN service unless they had something drastic for the payment.
There are pro's and con's to both systems
Xbox has a better network (due to more money)
along with better advertisements.
But that attracts the little kiddies and other people who are immature to buy it because they wanna say their the best. (Not in anyway downing anyone for having an Xbox)
PSN is free
More mature players due to most adults that want to play don't wanna pay extra just to play.
But Sony advertises less and makes less revenue, there for the network isn't as good as Xbox.
I see your point, and sony very well might start charging to play but there will have to be some changes first and they know that.
I own a playstation aswell.
I understand the distain to pay more for something, I was just sitting here thinking to myself, "self, what if there was a way to know that I was playing people that want to compete, not screw off?" Thats all. I really didn't get into the logistics of it LOL, just thought about it. And I would be jelly if the game was hard nosed about selling the product to the right age bracket, but that will never happen (money rules everything) Insert the idea for a little money to get a better gaming experience.
There's already a free way to do this, though.
Find 5 people that play the game the way you think they should play it. Make a party. Play. If you can find more people that play the game the way you want them to play, play Ground War.
I'm honestly not all that concerned with what the people on the other team are doing, as long as it's not blatant cheating. If you've got a good team, the game is far more entertaining.
I don't have a good team though LOL, I play lone wolf.
This is what will happen:
The playlist will be entirely elitist KDR tryhard douches, but apparently that is fun?
And you do realize that the target demographic for COD is the casual 12- 25 year old. The 17+ rating is only placed for legal reasons.
What the hell do you mean by 'real gamer" ? Are you playing with cyborgs or something?
I do understand the demographic, and I do know that COD is a cash cow, and they will do what they want to make the most they can. I do not understand the argument as far as what the difference is between a "real gamer" and a casual gamer. I am sure anyone that has the ability to figure out how to log onto this forum understands the diff. And as for people playing the way they want, kuddo's, but they would have never put ricochet into hard core if people could play the game like it is suppose to be played. And what I mean by a real gamer, is someone who plays the objective that the game mode is designed to play. To win the match by doing what the objective calls for. Its wide open, I wasn't narrowing any gamers down by playstyle, just by WHY they play the game. At the end of the day, it was just a thought, nothing to get too worked up about. I do see all the points being made, and aI value all feedback.
1) I don't WANT to pay for something that is free, only as an alternative to the sh!t I have been dealing with lately. And being as how alot of the community bought into the Elite fiasco, I'd say people want more from this product. If you don't spend the money on the broke Elite, and instead payed for a "true" elite experience, then I feel it would be worth it.
2) I hate Activision, just think that the game should come equpped with an 17-up lobby that you had to prove your age would be neat. (That hasn't happened, so yeah, 3rd party would be fine to me it I got what I paid for)
3) Just a thought, thats all. No more/no less. I'm not mad, just fed up with the way this franchise caters to tweens. To me, it's like going to a rated R movie, only to have the experience ruined by a 14 year old birthday party celebration at the movie theatre.
Your frustration is valid, but Activision will always be on the side with the money. (like all corperate business') Right now the money is with the younger generation who: A) can get their parents to buy. B) Has always bought COD and will continue.
Plus there is no way of telling how old someone is on the internet. Even with verification an adult could let someone under 17 play and no one would know.
The main reason why i decided to get the PS3 console instead of xbox is because the online service is free.Also before you say i'm a kiddie or i was a kiddie when i bought my PS3,i was 20 when i bought my PS3 and i'm turning 22 this month.Anyways back to what i was saying,it would be a horrible idea to have to pay for the online service on the PS3 because a lot of people who have a PS3 either don't wanna pay for the online service or got an xbox as well and don't wanna pay twice for the same kind of service.Personally,i will never buy an xbox because i don't need one and i'm happy with my PS3 and i certainly don't want Activision (money hungry faggets) to put a cost for the online service on the PS3 for Call of duty.Talking about that,i will never pay for elite nor will i buy the map packs for MW3.Also,i heard you gotta wait 2 months rather than 1 month to get the map packs if you're on the PS3 and not an elite member.Activision once again dictates that they're money hungry whores and basically **** on the PS3 users because we don't pay for the online.I said it but i'll say it again,i will not give 1 additional dime to Activision,all they're getting is the money for THE GAME AND THE GAME ONLY.Maybe i'll change my mind about elite or the map packs when Black ops 2 comes out,we'll see.
Not saying that there should be a charge to all users. Only a charge if you wanted to join a 17up lobby, hell through dedi servers in on it too. This was all just an idea that popped into my head. And I agree that there shouldn't be a charge to play the game to start with. But since clearly activision doesn't give a rats tail about game quality, only quantity, the only way to get what I want is to have an exclusive lobby for people with the objective in mind.
Agreed. /\/\/\. There is really no way around it for sure. Just would like to know when I hop in a lobby, that everyone in there has the objective in mind and is there to compete.
First thing I thought of when I saw the thread title ![]()
On-topic:
These "paid lobbies" would be filled with nothing but elitists and self-entitled pricks.
As the day progresses I would have to say that I can see where that would happen. I do not consider myself a "tryhard" or an elitist (just check my gamer tag if you want to see my lowly stats). Fact is, I play objective, whatever it is. From KC to Dom, I do not killwhore and I do use stratagy to achieve my goals. I just hate when it's all for not due to lobby matchmaking throwing me in with a set of Friday night split-screeners.
The sad truth is I play this game exaclty as I am sure it is made to play, and will rarely see the satisfaction of playing with like minded players. As was said earlier, there are a thousand different ways one could say they "play the game the way it is suppose to be played", even though we all know the deffernce between playing Dom and capping flags vs playing Dom and killwhoring in the corner.
To each his own i suppose, but I know I am not the only guy logging on and trying to be a competitve player.
dubhicks wrote:
The sad truth is I play this game exaclty as I am sure it is made to play, and will rarely see the satisfaction of playing with like minded players.
You keep saying this. Who isn't playing the game the way it's designed to be played? Just because they're playing differently than you doesn't mean they're not playing the game in a manner it shouldn't be played. There's 80 levels, 10 prestiges, 34 primary weapons, 16 secondary weapons, and 15 perks. All those weapons come with various add-ons and proficiencies, and there's three strike pacakges with 15 killstreaks in the Assault package and 12 in the Support package. There's 10 different game modes in the standard playlist and 16 different maps with more to come as DLC. It's a flexible game. Some people will play it differently than others.
Thank you for being an advocate to all gamers and all playstyles. Am I not allowed to have my own opinion? You can choose if you agree or not, and if you disagree, thanks for reading and please move on. I never understood the need for people to troll around in threads the disagree with. This whole thread was a "what if" situation, not a real life senario, so again I employ this question; if all gamers are to do and say whatever they want, then why are you singling me out for MY opinion? All I did was type MY thoughts on a situation, nothing more. Play the game how you want. In my made up world, you wouldn't sign up for my pretend service anyway so the point is moot. And kuddo's for looking up all that info to putting all the exact numbers down so I can be impressed.
At no point have I suggested you're not entitled to your opinion. But when you put your opinion out there and ask for responses, you should be prepared for responses that disagree with you. I have responded to several other threads today, so I am by no means singling you out. I take issue with your assertion that there are all these people out there that just aren't playing the game the right way, and if they all played the way you want, things would be so much better. I think that's the wrong direction to take any game, not just this latest release of CoD.
As I said, if you feel the people on your team aren't playing the game correctly, make a new team with like-minded individuals.
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I value your feedback, but as I stated earlier, this is not about me and mine. This is about an option to play competitive. That is all. Sorry for the confussion, but my stance is this, I think the magority of people that want to be competitive at this game, or any other for that matter, don't have a choice. We, or should I say I, always get put into whatever game with whoever is online. I don't know if there is a way to make it any clearer, but the games are seperated into diff game modes based on deff objectives, with diff ways to win. By your standard, there should also be a lobby that is open like a 24hour diner that you just jump into and do whatever you want, no rules or objectives. Now to me that sounds silly, but hey, whatever any one wants right? Fact is, like I said earlier " you can play Dom and cap flags, or you can play Dom and killwhore from a corner." We both know how that mode was made to be played, but do whatever you want right? Right, just give me an option to play with other people that want to play the objective, not just willy nilly it and shoot guns in the air giving away red dots and showing the enemy exactly where we are at. I do not know why this is so hard to grasp. You seem like a cool guy, and not a dipwad, and I do accept your opinion on my opinion. I just would like you to see it from my eyes... Thats all.
I understand what you're saying, and as I've pointed out there's a way to do that without spending any money, and that's to get into a party. There's lots of groups here on the forums that are looking for mature players that want to play objective game modes and know what they're doing. If you get a good team, you can play matches where you capture two flags in the first 20 seconds of the match and hold them until the end without ever having to go back and recapture or flip spawns or lose control due to inexperienced teammates.
I used to play domination on my own in Black Ops and I don't know if the teams I got put on were just better, or people understood the game mode better, but I had far more success with random teams in Black Ops. In MW3, I won't play Domination or Demolition without at least a couple of teammates. I don't know if it's the maps, the players, the spawn system, or any number of other issues, but I just can't get away with the same sort of things in objective games in MW3 that I could on random teams in Black Ops.
The one objective mode I'll play solo is Kill Confirmed, and that's because it's just about the only mode where I can get by without too much team coordination. Domination, Demolition, Search, and Defender, where you depend on coordination with teammates are just not modes I can play solo. I'm not good enough to carry the team on my own, and I'm not patient enough to wait until I'm put on a team that knows what they're doing.
The game is already rampid with..."nothing but elitists and self-entitled pricks."
Yes but throw in an "exclusive" paid lobby system and I guarantee you that their numbers will increase 10 fold.
Agreed/\/\/\. Was a good thought for the moment, but as more perspctive has poured in, I see where this would be abused as well. No hope for this ol' boy I guess. I have a love/hate relationship with COD anyhow. Oh well, was worth getting some views on, thanks to all...
I think the answer you are looking for can be found in a "Vote to kick player'' option such as seen in the SOCOM Series.
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That would be a good idea also. I don't think I've been very clear on the whole thing. I am not one to tell anyone how they should or shouldn't play a game. I just know how I play, and how I feel about the way a game progresses. I am very competitive by nature and like to win as much as possible. My biggest issue is that there is absolutly no way to play at a certain level in this or any previous title. You either end up on a good team, or a bad team (FFA aside), and there is no way of knowing pregame what side you will be on. Again, I play lone wolf, this formula does not apply to clans. Just wish there was an option to be in a competitive format, or a just for fun format.
Your reasoning is good, but un-realistic. I have a question for you when you state "to play the game the way it is designed to be played" what way are you thinking? I wouldn't mind paying if we received the absolute best service.
That is all I was saying, some alternate universe where to play this game there was a set list of what to do to win and excel. To me, the whole "how is the game suppose to be played" thing is a joke. We all know how it is suppose to be played. For instance, I could play hide and seek with a group of friends and just drive to the mall for an hour and come back and say "ha, you never found me", when everyone knows the objective was to hide near by or in plain sight. The problem is there is no in between for me as I am not a MLG or a screw off. I'm just a guy that wants to get the most out of a game I bought. But, I understand that this is a game for the masses, and as such, has to accomadate as best as it can the ADHD kids and the die hards. It's just a mess anymore. Again all these views are from lonewolf point of view, and not intended to represent clans or grudge matches. I have far too few friends that still play online games, and it just seems harder and harder to work off a list.
And yes, another part would be like having dedi servers for the paid subscription or something.