I seriously can't stand when people claim shotguns can get these amazing 20ft kills consistantly. In MW2? Yep. In MW3? Hell no. The Model is such a pain to rank up it's not even funny. No attachment challenges. Glitched Marksman III challenge. No Attachments. The Model needs something to make it at least usable. I always thought the Models lack of attachments was supposed to be offset by it's extreme power. Boy, was I wrong. Despite my sometimes extreme hatred (sometimes I find it at least usable) for the gun, I have over 3600 kills with it. I've also had to struggle with the SPAS, and have over 7500 kills. Could you ever do that? How about the oh-so terrible AA-12? 3300 kills.

I want the Black Ops style shotguns back! No, I don't want no cruddy Stakeout, what I mean is that if you don't have steady aim, you actually benefit from ADS. Hip firing is just WAY too unforgiving and you can't line up a good shot. Since you need damage on most shotties, you won't have Focus. ADS is much more accurate and forgiving. But guns like the Model are required to have steady aim.

rankismet wrote:

 

NattyFTW wrote:

 

rankismet wrote:

 

NattyFTW wrote:

 

I couldn't help but notice you said 'we lose control', so I'll assume you play in a party.

 

So now parties are an issue? Jeebus.

 

Make friends and low an behold... you could be in a full party, too.

 

Don't lke teams in a team based game...

 

 

 

... Go play FFA.

Funny you say that,

 

I have a lot of friends on Xbox but unfortunately I don't control them and they sometimes do other things such as going outside. If you played FFA you would see that the spawns are much, much worse than domination (by maybe 3 or 4 times).

 

Also when did I say parties were an issue? I can easily break out of spawntraps that your average 0.6kd player would stuggle to get out of. I think you'll find I said parties can easily play the spawn system, which has gone on for years and I had no problem with as in past games it took skill and teamwork to play the spawn system this much; in MW3 the fact that revenge spawns exist just make it even easier for teams to play the spawns.

 

If you read my post properly you would see that the problem I was refering to was the fact that a very large proportion of the player base of CoD play on their own, that is a fact, whether you like it or not. When you play on your own and stop camping in your spawn (such as myself) you will see that the spawns in this game are a very serious and real issue, greater than the issue of lag compensation.

 

Please know what you're on about before posting troll comments such as '... Go play FFA.'

 

Natty.

 

Simples...

 

... generalizations of "most" coupled with yanked out the bum percenatges topped off with a healthy dose of "no talent", "ditch your party", and " rush, yes no camping or headglitching with a type." set my teeth on edge.

 

The chaotic spawns are a result of the over emphasis of the payback system which teams can limit by controlling the map. A tactic you you seem the think is spawn trapping... and it's not. It's just map control... and you can prevent the other squad from spawning behind you.

 

That large player base that plays on their own... whinges about spawns... not noticing that the very nature of playing the game on their own and chicken heading to and fro is one the main reasons the spawns yin and yang like a kid in an ice cream store torn between chocolate and vanilla. So... when no one works together in a team based game... spawns flip like mad... and everyone blames the game.

 

And you seemed to have an issue with teams since Fox commented on his game experience by playing with a squad...

 

... something that makes the game more fun than playing with 5 other random, self absorbed, lone wolfs in a team environment.

 

 

Again... feel free to play FFA.

 

No teams there.

The fact you even mention FFA shows me you are clueless, if you played it for 5 minutes you would see how shockingly bad the spawns in that gametype are.

No I don't have an issue with teams, you're putting words into my mouth. I said that Fox only plays with teams, therefore not experiencing what such a vast portion of the community faces, as you have a problem with estimates I will not try and give a figure.

The best games support multiple styles of play and if I want to rush I should be able to do this without the enemy that I just killed respawning behind me, it's as simple as that. If you disagree then you disagree.

Natty.

Dude, seriously how do you get 100/100 connection ? Im frigging jeleous thats like a millitary connection or something lol man all i can get is measly 6/1 dsl.

Moopus wrote:

 

Despite my sometimes extreme hatred (sometimes I find it at least usable) for the gun, I have over 3600 kills with it. I've also had to struggle with the SPAS, and have over 7500 kills. Could you ever do that? How about the oh-so terrible AA-12? 3300 kills.

*Bows Down* Roughly 2000 kills with the Model and AA-12 here and 3500 with the SPAS, and I thought my numbers were impressive.