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  • slyn3m3s1s Novice 212 posts since
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    255. Oct 26, 2010 11:13 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll
    Ok you guys have already taken care of the retarded soh pro issue from mw2 so thats great. BUT if you wreck the snipers ability to quickly sight in on that d bag sprinting up to noob tube you then he goes into second chance if you even got a shot on him this game will be broken. Sniper killshots should take down second chance! It happens all the time you snipe someone in waw while they sprint behind a wall then your shot finally registers with that lovely cod DELAY and he gets revived again and again. If your going to "fix" quick scoping dont force us to use a perk to counter noob tubes take them out and also take out the spray and pray drop shot tactic. We want a comptetitive balanced MP not some noob filled game that you built for sales like IW did. If you go that way you only get paid once, we all know that IW s now hated don't be them.

    Overall the game will still be good if only for the Zombies
  • xAlmostPro Calculating status... 8 posts since
    Oct 26, 2010
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    256. Oct 26, 2010 11:13 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll
    Here's my opinion on this whole quickscoping thing. I will first off say that i do enjoy quickscoping, but i do also frequently play with assault rifles

    You call it 'cheap' due to the fact that you can run around and get 1 hit kills, you mention that this is because of an exploit and the aim assist. What i dont understand is that why all of a sudden is this being made a problem? considering Quickscoping has been around since Call Of Duty 2, possibly even before. If it was so serious why wasn't it patched or removed before it became in itself a gameplay style? You the developers caused this. I also don't see how its any cheaper than camping in corners, running around with your noobtube switched on, or using second chance. Another thing that has been dismissed is guns such as M16's, i fully understand that this and similar guns have a '3 burst' shot, but the fact is like quickscoping it kills almost every time in a single press of the right trigger. Which in terms makes it the same as quickscoping without the need or use of a scope or sniper rifle, meaning its actually far more overpowered, its faster to aim, just as strong and accurate but this isn't an issue because "it fires 3 bullets" can be used as an excuse? My main point is that that despite what you say there are far more cheap methods of playing and gaining kills than Quickscoping, but are being ignored.

    It was said you wanted us to re-adjust like a REAL sniper. My issue here is that you mention REAL, almost like your forgetting this is a game. Not only that but you seem to be ignoring everything else(again) that isn't realistic. I mean fair enough if you were going to make the game realistic from the start, but i dont see this as a fair option considering theres so many other things that aren't REAL. For example you can respawn, you can also respawn wherever you wish due to tactical insertions, you also gain chopper gunners from wooden crates that get dropped BY helicopters, you acan also be shot enough to kill you to simply be knocked down with a pistol to which you can then be 'revived' by a team mate. On top of that, if you want to make things REAL, every single weapon in the game should be a 1 hit kill to the head or heart, which they aren't. Snipers in this instance are 1 hit kills for a reason.

    Yes we use the noobtubes agrument and yes they've been patched, in terms of you can no longer fire them at the start of games, that there is no longer one man army and that scavenger wont replinish them. I'm completely satisfied with this, or i was until you called Quickscoping 'cheap'. Patching them was fair enough but in terms of cheapness, they are worse. Quickscoping is cheap because in your terms its a case of Pressing LT followed by a press of the RT, well noobtubes dont even require a press of the LT and can achieve multiple kills far easier.

    Quickscoping has been called a learning process by josh olin himself. So why if its a learning process(which also proves that its a skill) is it being punished?.. This exploit has been around for 5 games due to the developers leaving it in. It's clear that now its a gameplay style and far more, why not remove the specific exploit and allow it to still be a skill, a learning process? At the end of the day, if i run round a corner into 4 guys, i can far easily take them all out with an automatic weapon or grenade launcher, so why if i have the reaction times fast enough to take on 4 guys at once with a sniper rifle should i be the one who is called 'un-skilled' 'cheap or 'overpowered'? not my fault if you guys are to slow.

    Another thing mentioned is that, there is only Hundreds of thousands of quickscopers against 10's of millions of players that dislike it, which is completely wrong. How can you assume that atleast 10million Call Of Duty players dislike Quickscoping? 

    Something else mentioned, is that Quickscoping consist of  being infront of an enemy and simply pressing the LT + RT but what about long range quickscopes? What about dragscopes?

    Another thing that is highly confusing, is that your all(josh & the guys at treyarch) so against Quickscoping yet you supply sniper rifles with an ACOG scope, made for sniping medium range shots? The scope is raised much faster on these, and it allows you to take enemies out at a much shorter range, which is a main reason for a sniper being called cheap & un-balanced when used for Quickscoping. The only difference here is that it's fine and not being considered as cheap because its an attachment? So running around with ACOG scopes is fine but not with a regular scope, thats actually harder to quickscope with?..

    Another thing i noticed is that there is alot of comparisons with blackops in terms of Mw2, which i will whole heartedly agree was far to easy to Quickscope in. It caused a huge spam of little kids thinking they are sniping beasts, and yes even made them lose games for you, but i dont think blackops should be based completely off of MW2 alone, i mean take a look at cod4 quickscoping videos or even go on and have a mess around when you have some free time, you'll notice that without sleight of hand pro the skill level needed increases in a pretty large amount.

    Yeah, thats pretty much all i have to say, im not extremely good at wording things but i belive that this post offers and shows valid reasons as to why it's not as cheap as its being made out to be. It's not actually that overpowered, be it an exploit or not it still takes the same buttons to aim as an assault rifle the only difference is you're more likely to get the kill if your not using a sniper. Most of us that enjoy quickscoping are annoyed at the reasonings behind the 'removal' of Quickscoping, they are clearly one sided and abit hipocritical. We understand that to a certain extent it can sometimes be abit over-powering but at the end of the day it did take skill to learn and if i go into a game with a sniper i'll come out with a lower kill count than i would with an assault rifle 95% of the time. I mean what about those sub machine guns, or even pistols that can snipe you across maps, when clearly in 'realistic' terms the bullet would have dropped. I just think if you are really going to fully remove Quickscoping you shouldn't be so ignorant towards other aspects that are far worse in the game.

    My final words for this are that you should watch this clip from a guy named jazz - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtUzm6GboU4 and tell me and the rest of us guys that it' still cheap and purely aim assist with no skill needed.

    I think that the fairest method of solving this whole issue would be, if you guys made the sniper zoom speed the same as either COD4 or WaW and fully removed the aim-assist for sniper rifles, make it a challenge, just please dont fully remove it to the extent every single shot must be a fully zoomed in(where you've held your breathe for like 5seconds)shot. We understand, some people find it annoying, but we find your playstyles annoying, everyone has preference, but i dont think its fair to do this to an extremely loyal part of the COD fanbase just because we're a  minority. There may be more people who dont snipe or Quickscope, but that doesnt mean its ALL of them find it annoying.

    I guess that's all, not likely that anyone will actually read this but yeah.

    -xAlmostPro 
  • SL0W Calculating status... 5 posts since
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    257. Oct 26, 2010 11:13 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll

    FISHtotheER wrote:

     

    I hate quickscoping, glad it's gone. It's unrealistic and is part of what ruined MW2. I personally don't think it takes very much skill, a little yes, but not much. I agree 100% with what JD said about it, it's cheap. BUT, if you want to make everybody happy, you could just make a quickscoping lobby (if that's possible) or enable it for private matches, whatever. As long as I can play Black Ops without having to get pissed off at some little kid killing me in one shot with no skill, I'm happy.


    Because care packages are realistic? You're a ******* idiot.
  • youbetrollin Novice 97 posts since
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    258. Oct 26, 2010 11:13 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll
    i'm loling at the fact people are so taking it serious about qs'ing it's a game lets make guns 1 shot kills while we're at it shall we? and not be able to take 4-5 since it's  not 'Realistic' enough
  • atrophius Calculating status... 3 posts since
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    259. Oct 26, 2010 11:14 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll
    I want to say that I'm pro-CoD4 style quickscoping. I'm in the group that thinks MW2's quickscoping was absolute bullshit and definitely deserved the title of "cheap."

    I am not expecting this poll will end with the pro-quickscoping people on top, but I just want to say kudos to Treyarch for having an open poll on such a polarizing subject. When this debate first flared up, I was honestly on the fence about canceling my pre-order for this game. It's actions like this on Treyarch's part that make me seriously want to play this game, because you guys actually listen to the community as a whole.

    Some people might believe this is just a token gesture, but I personally believe it's a genuine act by Vahn to really try to acquire feedback from the community on the issue.

    So, thanks.
  • Ragzie Expert 1,751 posts since
    Jan 7, 2010
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    260. Oct 26, 2010 11:14 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll

    SnipeZ0r_V2 wrote:

     

    xGuillotine wrote:

     

    C'mon Anti-quickscopers! Maintain the leaddddd.


    We can't all these morons are making new account on a hope to keep it in the game.


    the fact you think people would actually make new accounts to be a part of a poll is stupid and pointless, you sir are a fail.
  • SuperSaiyanSwagga Calculating status... 85 posts since
    Oct 6, 2010
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    261. Oct 26, 2010 11:14 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll

    fikeyftw wrote:

     

    First of all, I made an account just to vote YES on this.
    Are you serious about removing some people's way of playing? I see tons of people that use shotguns, SMG's or assault rifles most of the time, because that's what they like and that's their style of playing. It's exact the same with people that use sniper rifles. It's the way we play the game and how we like to do it. I guess there might be people that actually "enjoy" using grenade launchers all the time, because they are new to the game and by using them they might have a little bit of fun. That's their way of playing. Now I don't see you "remove" any of these. Probably 90% of the community is against grenade launchers, camping, second chance/last stand. Yet you don't do anything to that. So I don't see why you would "remove" quick scoping, when the things I previously named aren't being removed either (yes I know you can't really do anything to camping...). I really don't know why you decided just now, while everyone was really excited about this game, to do something like this. I had really high hopes for this game to be better after hearing you are actually listening to the community. Now you have probably ruined it for alot of people, especially people that make montages (like myself). And not only those people, because there are thousands of people that do not make montages, nor have capture cards. But they still do enjoy this style of playing.

    Now I realise that Modern Warfare 2 made it really easy to quick scope, with sleight of hand pro. Alot of people didn't even mind that sleight of hand pro didn't affect the scoping on sniper rifles. Some are even happier about it. Because they really enjoyed the way sniping was in COD4/WaW.

    Also for a last thing, JD2020 said that it's actually an "exploit" and "it's super easy just press left trigger then right trigger, aim assist does the rest for you" (or something along the lines. Now we NEVER asked for aim assist to be in the game. NEVER. Now I can understand that you make it for newer players. But then give us the option to turn it off? Now I saw that you've done that with Black Ops. Which is a good thing because the aim assist is actually a bad thing for the better players under us.

    Now I hope you read all of this and hopefully you will understand us.

    PS: quick scoping is in basically in (almost) every game that has sniper rifles in it. Counter Strike has quick scopers in it, and yet it's the best standing FPS game of all time. (Not trying to advertise, I prefer COD over CS, but I like both.)


    Three words: Watch some gameplay--- You can tell that you can still quickscope, but it is just much harder to do. Quickscoping will actually take skill again like it did in Cod4.
  • fikeyftw Calculating status... 6 posts since
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    262. Oct 26, 2010 11:14 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll

    SL0W wrote:

     

    Hutch, we're boned man. The people that visit CoD forums are worse than people on Bungie.net. They're all ignorant people who think they know everything. Even though we've more likely been playing CoD longer, they still know more than us. Quick scoping takes a lot of skill and practice and is not nearly over powered.

    If quick scoping is as impossible as JD_2020 is making it out to be, I'm going to play AFK in online games. Treyarch ruins my gaming experience, I ruin Treyarch's fans' gaming experience.



    If they're actually going to make it "horrible", i'm gonna ruin the gamers experience by quick tubing
  • Newbie 13 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
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    263. Oct 26, 2010 11:14 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll
    The issue I have with quick scoping, is it usually involves players diluting the purpose of the sniper rifle.  Because its increased damage to kill players over a long distance, quick scoping allows it to become a multi-purpose weapon.  I have always felt that the weapon a player picks to use should be based on their play style or situation.  A sniper's purpose is typically ranged support, and it becomes irritating when a sub machine gun is trumped by a sniper simply because sniper rifles typically have the OHK (one hit kill) ability.  In addition, sub machines shouldn't function as sniper rifles.  Basically what it should come down to are the pros and cons to using any weapon.  Players should have to make decisions on whether or not the weapon they are using will do the job that they need it to do. 

    Quick scoping allows players to utilize the sniper rifle in numerous situations.  It needs to be balanced off and its purpose needs to be re-focused on supporting the team at range.  Of course, this is my personal opinion, but I think a majority of the community would agree that quick scoping has become an issue in Call of Duty games.

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  • ashiddygamer Apprentice 1,143 posts since
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    264. Oct 26, 2010 11:14 AM (in response to vahn)
    Re: The Offical Quick Scope Poll

    adamwaterhouse wrote:

     

    @Shadowgown If you want to get all REALISTIC, then why dont treyarch start adding wind speed, wind velocity to snipers... as quickscoping isnt realistic. Its a bloody game, its not meant to be exactly life like is it! Quickscoping is what more or less every sniper does on call of duty, it makes it more fun for us and it gives us a challenge.



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    You didn't make a new account for this or anything.

    Hell, they should track votes by IP address.
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