I have played both gametypes but play mostly core. I definitely think the problem is more evident in core. In fact, when I'm very frustrated I'll go to HC to chill out.

I play both, always have but this game Core is virtually playable for me, when in a team game it always seems to be me getting killed instantly but takes a gazillion of my bullets bullets to kill, FFA is good on Core though because all guns work and connection seems balanced between everyone.

From a HC perspective and as a guy who plays against friends nightly on HC because there is too many folk in our wee town clan I can guarantee connection is an issue, some games my friends kill me instantly and go 30-10 but the next game I can go 30-10 and the same guy who mauled me the game before cant even get a shot off at me.

All in all connection is a major issue no matter the game mode but if you play intelligently when connection is not in your favor and can make sure you get at least a 2 sec heads up on who you go to kill you will do well.

For those who do complain about lag comp, stop complaining about and start using it to your advantage, instead of coming here and having a moan, use your head and think, hey, I'm like a second behind these guys so I better change my style and adapt to the current situation instead of running after guys when you know you cant kill them.

1) both as stated several times on other threads.

2)Have the occasional wtf games and laggy games; but that is usually when my router needs to be rest becuase of my isp screwing around with my upload again. Get both of these types in core or hc, neither is better about connection.

3)No difference, both play the same. Some good games, some bad games, nothing I would directly call game ruining or game breaking.

Ever play HC SnD? If not, and say CTF is your cup of tea, pan to a "good" player on your team, and spectate them every chance you get. The point is, when I'm in a lobby where I feel something is off, and it's "laggy" I noticed when I'm spectating, that the person I'm watching doesn't actually hit the target yet gets the kill. Today for instance while running with my clan, we got into some pretty crappy lobbies, and I figured I'd mention what I see. I was astounded to hear that on their screen they were dead on.

With that being said, I often thought it worked like so:

Server sees this

Player sees that

People favor what the server sees, and not what the player sees in conversation. Angry, disgruntle people favor what they see, and don't understand why the server would see otherwise. If you're spectating, what's that considered?

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Core - I think the Killcam has a lot to do with what people are griping about, and with that the whole "Server vs Player" and what they see kicks in. Don't get me wrong though, I've plugged 75 rounds into someone who's head glitching while strafing a few times and damn near broke my controller. At the same time, I've used a clip from my Evo on 3-4 people without reloading. How? Well, they weren't all headshots that's for sure.

In Core I think there's maybe more factors in the hit box, etc, but I'm no game designer, so discredit that if you'd like. I'm just saying thouh...

- Younique

I think the problems are the same, just more evident in core.

1) Do you play Core or Hardcore?

HC.  I enjoy Domination and some of the other Core gamemodes, but I end up raging.

2) What has your Gameplay experience (connection only mind you, not asking about OP guns, etc) been like?

Seems like I am either in godmode, or peon mode.  Most of the time there is no middle ground .     I can go 45-10 in one match,  play the same people after a host migration and barely go positive.  Sometimes its the other way around where I join a match and I'm getting pooped on, and then after a host migration I am the one doing the pooping.

3) Have you played both and noticed a difference connection wise?

I have played both and get 4 bar lobbies 99% of the time.  I dont see any difference connection wise, but with less bullets required to kill in HC, I dont get the unloading a clip into someone thing.  

Instadeath seems to be about the same in both, but more noticable in HC because  by the time you see the enemy he has already rounded a corner and hit you with 3 or 4 rounds.  There is not reaction time, it's as if the player has a wave of death preceding him so that when you see him, you are already dying or dead.   I am on both sides of this phenomenon, god or peon.

In core you are just mostly dead and flinching.

nicedrewish,

Since you are a HC player, I may already know the answer to this question. Nonetheless, I have stumbled upon something and have sent maccabi a private message wanting to know his opinion.

Do you play with Target Assist enabled or disabled? And what sensitivity setting do you use?

It's been switching back and forth between Core and HC, spamming explosives, and finally tinkering with the sensitivity settings that leave me asking that question.

1. I switched to hardcore as i was tired of putting entire clips into people to watch them hit me with one shot and kill me.  It also neutralizes OP weapons because more or less everything dies when you shoot it. 

2.  Some lag but overall not bad.

3.  I don't think there is a difference.  I think where some people might think core is laggier is because in HC only a shot or two will down someone where several rounds may be required in core.  The need to hit someone multiple times in core may be mistaken as lag. 

nicedrewishfela wrote:

 

First off.. This is NOT a Hardcore vs Core discussion. I am a Hardcore Player, and I have respect for those who enjoy Core as well. Please leave that discussion at the door, it will be Off Topic here.

 

What I am asking is if HC players are seeing connections in this game differently than core players.

 

As a Hardcore Player, I have had minimal problem with "Lag Compensation" and "Hit Detection". My bullets go where I aim them, and They hit where I aim. I still get some WTF moments, but 9/10 times when I take a second look I find my aim was off or the other player just had the drop on me. I still get laggy lobbies. I still get incidents where I get "Connection Interrupted", but for the most part the game plays like it should play.

 

I read the complaints on here, and maybe it is just me, but it seems the Lag Comp/Hit Detection discussions are usually started by Core Players. The threads talk about bullets going through the opponent or enemies appearing to be bullet sponges.

 

So my question is pretty straight forward. Is it just that the elements of Core (Health Regen, 100% health, etc) make the lag more evident? Is there more to it than that? Is it the larger community?

 

Would love to get some answers for how your experience has been with the following info in there somewhere-

 

1) Do you play Core or Hardcore?

2) What has your Gameplay experience (connection only mind you, not asking about OP guns, etc) been like?

3) Have you played both and noticed a difference connection wise?

 

Thanks, and looking forward to hearing your responses. No right or wrong answers here... just want to hear your experiences. Politely asking for no flame wars or expletive laced tirades. Be Awesome to Eachother.

I played a lot of Core KC until they finally added HC KC.

When I played Core KC, I wasn't all that concerned about my KDR so it was a touch low. What I found was a lot of red dot watching. Once I started overfiring (compared to what you do in HC), doing a lot of hip firing, running Ghost with a suppressed MP7, I started to run through people. Core players just tend to over rely on the always on help (mini map, reticle, etc.) versus tactical awareness because there is a lot more forgiveness built into it.

I noticed that I would win a lot more gun fights in core when either the opponoent shot first or my first few shots didn't register. In HC, I would have been dead. You simply have time to react in Core that does not exist in HC. Add in the health fairy, and I would be back to normal in no time. Grenades are far less effective. And the amount of intel you can gleen from a kill cam is a bit much.

KC pace is similar in each but I truly find HC KC has a faster pace for the most part. The game length may take longer but there are more kills and deaths being registered. Why? Tags that I might be able to get in the open in Core would result in my death in HC.

Most important thing I noticed... time to kill in BO2 has come way down from previous titles making it playable to me. However, it's still driven by two main things... ROF and DPS. If Core players took an HC mindest for movement andtactics they might enjoy it more and complain less about OP weapons. Thjose weapons seem OP to the Core player because of their ROF, DPS, or both.

But when you hit the bad side of lag on HC? Fugeedaboutit.

nicedrewishfela wrote:

 

 

 

So my question is pretty straight forward. Is it just that the elements of Core (Health Regen, 100% health, etc) make the lag more evident? Is there more to it than that? Is it the larger community?

 

Would love to get some answers for how your experience has been with the following info in there somewhere-

 

1) Do you play Core or Hardcore?

2) What has your Gameplay experience (connection only mind you, not asking about OP guns, etc) been like?

3) Have you played both and noticed a difference connection wise?

 

 

1) I play both but 85% of my games have been HC

2) In HC I have issues with one or two people in 1 out of 20-30 games.  They are usually on a one bar connection and will show all the normal signs (bad hit detection, they are a 1-2 seconds ahead of me, etc).  I will say my games last night were very bad.  Two or three lobbies where everyone on the other team was one bar.  Made the game near unplayable.  Not sure if this is because of the new maps or the update for the new maps but it was not a fun experience last night.  

I find Core to be too inconsistent.  I tend to use the SCAR or AN 94 in Core and I will get kills on some people in 3 or 4 shots and some in 6 or 8 shots when aiming in a similar area of the body.  So I will stop shooting after 4 shots and move on to the next person only to find out I died because person 1 really required 1 or 2 more bullets.

3) It is not that HC solves the connection problems I just think it is easier to play around. It is also eaiser to justify your deaths in HC given your low amount of health.  For instance, if you die in one or two shots that is to be expected.  Every battle is quick.  You shoot they shoot if you have the jump on them you should win.  HC seems to play out this way. 

There are still times when I need to shoot more times than I should but even than I usually get the kill.  In core the killcam makes the issue 1000 times worse.  You know what you saw on your screen and when you watch the killcam your bullets are 3 or 4 feet in the wrong direction. 

Similar to this is the one bullet kills.  You are shooting have 4-5 shots into them and they turn around and then you die instantly.  Call it lag or lag comp I don't care in core I don't expect to die in 1 shot.  If it happened in HC, you can't watch a killcam and you expect to die quickly so you take the death and move on. 

After switching to Hardcore a few weeks ago I've found this game less frustrating.

It certainly seems that I have less problems with "lag compensation" as people like to call it.

Don't get me wrong,I still have a few issues. I still get insta deaths(I know you die straight away in HC but some I still get instances where I just drop dead without appearing to have received any damage).

I think part of the problem with Core is the mini map as well. I know that i'd spend too much time watching that than the actual screen. So if you have a UAV up you'd be watching the mini map and waiting for people,but if you were slightly behind them then they'd kill you first. Whereas in HC you have to be more cautious and actually LOOK OUT for players.

Now that I play HC there's no way I could switch back to Core. I know that coz I tried to to play the new maps and got annoyed very quickly.

Me and nicewish already discussed this in another thread prior to this being posted, where I stated that I've become a full time HC player on BO2. Not just me, but nearly everyone in my clan (19 members), and the non clan friends we play with as well.

I tried to play core the other day and I just can't do it anymore, I'm not exactly and MLG player but I run a 1.53 K/D and decent SPM, my map knowedge and tactics are good and I know I can get the drop on people. In HC, this pays dividends for me, in core, I just get hitmarkers before they spin round or halo jump and kill me with the same gun I'm using.

It's the same for everyone I play with, even the people who didn't like the idea of HC at first have got used to it and once they go back and try core again they can't believe how much people sponge and come straight back.

All we need now is more game modes....