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spawn killing and spawn trapping are 2 different things.

Spawn Killing - Killing a player instantly as he spawns

Spawn Trapping - Containing a a team to an area but still allowing them to move from spawn.

the first was a bannable offence on MW3 not sure about BO2

the second takes team work to control the map and is by no means easy and is not a bannable offence.

Another boycott thread - yawn

boo hoo, get better at the game. Just because a team is skilled enough and coordianted enough to spawn trap does not warrant a boycott or ban, i get it is a pain in the back side to break out of it but i would suggest emp grenades for the tac inserts and shotgun class for fast kills to break the line.

Spawn killing is against the CoC just leave the game go to your recent players and report the team that was doing it . That's about all you can do .

They can kick the boosters and hackers right out of the game as far as I am concerned, but equating that to a team controlling a spawn, aka spawn trapping? 

First, if the trapping team is not purely spawn killing, they are not violating the rules.  It is not "exploiting" to use teamwork and mics to coordinate your efforts.  It is just smart team play.  It may not be fun to have it happen to you, but that's how it is set up.  If you get into a lobby where the other team are sporting matching clan tags or are all running mics, you can assume your solo show is about to run into a challenge.  I think more people running solo should try mercenary or multi-team (where small teams can still smoke you but they might have trouble holding a trap).

If you think Treyarch has a problem with spawn trapping, consider that they removed the respawn protection from kill-streaks that existed in MW3.  This game was built to cater to the YouTubers and the triple digit kill games with its plethora of lethal streaks.

Since others have undoubtedly explained the difference between spawn killing and spawn trapping, I'll jut attempt to explain why you really can't ban spawn trapping.  The devs could improve the spawns or the map flow to make it more difficult to do but you can't ban people for doing it.  Since DOM is a team based gamemode, every game will be won by the more coordinated team.  In DOM you have one objective, to capture and hold flags longer than the enemy team.  In order to do this you have to be able to suppress the enemy teams movements.  It's not possible to do this without engaging the enemy and since the enemy only spawns at their home flag when you have two flags capped, there is no where else to engage them.  Ergo the spawn trap.  The only other method to play DOM would be to cap all three flags and hide in the possible spawn locations for your kills.  This actually provides the enemy even less opportunity to make a comeback as they will be shot in the back nonstop.  I understand your dislike of getting spawn trapped.  Nobody likes it but its quite frankly how the game is built. 

On the upside, however, DOM in BO2 does allow your team a chance to redeem themselves by having two rounds and alternating the home flag.  Having that second round can make a big difference.  I was playing DEMO the other night and in round one my team got manhandled.  It was awful.  We as a team couldn't get out of our spawn.  I personnally was doing okay but because nobody else could get out it really didn't matter.  So I decided to just work on getting my killstreaks going and saved them for round two.  In round two, I hit them with everything including the kitchen sink and my team got revenge.  We ended up going into overtime where we lost but I have to say that it was a total dogfight and a lot of fun despite getting spawn trapped early on.  Spawn trapping is a part of the game and learning how to effectively deal with it may not be easy but it is necessary if you ever want to have those dogfight matches where you feel good about it even if you lost in the end.

Let me interject and add a sense of today's logic.

Why not take a book from the "progressive" soccer moms (and dad's playbook) , lets stop keeping track of points, kills etc. Of course this means that we should just get rid of score streaks, stats, achievements and anything else that an be construed as "judging" a player. Also switch all camos to participation camos so that no one gets left out.

Spawn killing= against rules as it impedes on people's ability to play the game (per 3arc). Ie nothing can be done about it because you die instantly.

Spawn trapping = strategic plays that do not impede on a persons ability to play the game. Ie there are plenty of ways to break it, you just have to overcome a strategic disadvantage.

You ARE going to get beat by a better team/player at times. Stop whining when you do. And by better it could mean skill, tactics, communication or many other things.

Spawn killing is just an aspect of the game, if a team is more skilled than the other then spawn killing will occur.

Spawn trapping is an issue but I have rarely ever seen a team implement a legitimate spawn trap, it happens but it isn't common. These spawn "traps" usually involve the use of guardians being placed on common spawn points which would stun players as they spawn which would hinder their ability to fight back on spawn.

Just because a team is better and pushes the other team in doesn't mean that they're cheating.

What's funny to me is how people complain about spawn killing yet no one thinks to simply run out of the spawn if I am ever caught in my spawn with their team I simply run out (and yes, it really is that simple). If you can't manage to win one gunfight and get out of your spawn then you suck and cannot hold your own. It's a simple as that. Flipping or changing spawns in Black Ops II is surprisingly easy and it baffles me when I read about how people CAN'T simply move out of their spawn.

Sorry bud it's the nature of the beast and there will not be a mass boycott to "fix" this. There is no "fix" for good and bad players. There will be good players and there will be bad players and when you pair the good players with the bad players, the good players will push their spawn and obliterate them.

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The above is correct to a degree.

"Spawn trapping" is a natural progression of objective game modes when one team is winning.

"Spawn killing" is the part where it can all go sidways. If the enemy has engineered the match to force a death on you without your ability to retaliate at all, then report them after the match if you sustain the entire match. If you leave, then it is proper to still report them.

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