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iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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3 Second Spawn Delay for Objecitive Gamemodes?

Posted by iivrruummii on Jan 11, 2013 9:43 AM

I would actually like to have a force spawn delay for Hardpoint, Domination, and Demolition.  What do you guys think? And why?

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  • y0ssar1an22 Novice 415 posts since
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    y0ssar1an22     Jan 11, 2013 9:49 AM (in response to iivrruummii)

    I remember hearing an idea a while back....

    a killstreak that imposes a respawn delay upon enemy team for 1min or whatever.

     

    Could be a good idea. Obj. players would use it, while kill whores would not (it would slow down their killing). So in Obj. based game modes you could be a nice edition.

  • Reptilea Calculating status... 16 posts since
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    Reptilea     Jan 11, 2013 10:03 AM (in response to iivrruummii)

    yes i would love it for dom ........... nothing burns me up with traping or if you can kick them out lol

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    Griefbot     Jan 11, 2013 10:11 AM (in response to iivrruummii)

    I don't think it's a good solution to the problem.

     

    It's another mechanic that would likely get carried over to the next title where it may not even be needed.

    • iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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      iivrruummii     Jan 11, 2013 11:49 AM (in response to Griefbot)

      A solution to what problem?

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        Griefbot     Jan 11, 2013 12:12 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

        Any problem.  It would not enhance the gameplay in the absence of problems, and would be a potential pitfall to add it compensate for the what people perceive as problems with the current spawn system.

        • iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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          iivrruummii     Jan 11, 2013 12:20 PM (in response to Griefbot)

          I didn't say anything about the problems of the current spawn system.  I was thinking it would make the objective more of a priority.  I would love to compare the two: no delay and 3 second delay.

           

          A 3 second day would knock down players for a period of time rather than knock them back.  It would still be fast pased but it would involve strategy to capturing the objective other than just killing.

  • Noob_Lyncher Expert 1,500 posts since
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    Noob_Lyncher     Jan 11, 2013 10:56 AM (in response to iivrruummii)

    Nope, I don't see how adding a 3 second delay would change anything, since it's only 3 seconds. I wouldn't mind it, but I wouldn't vote for it. The only thing that needs to be done with spawning is to add spawn protection.

    • iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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      iivrruummii     Jan 11, 2013 11:49 AM (in response to Noob_Lyncher)

      "It won't change anything..."  What will it not change?

      • Noob_Lyncher Expert 1,500 posts since
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        Noob_Lyncher     Jan 11, 2013 12:06 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

        3 seconds, big whoop. It's not like HC TDM used to be with that wave spawn crap. I always seemed to get the short end of the stick and would have to wait no less than 10 seconds with every death. 3 seconds is like gaylo where you can jump back right in the action. 5 seconds might make it a little more tedious, but no one would mind 3 seconds, because the game would still be just as fast paced.

        • iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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          iivrruummii     Jan 11, 2013 12:12 PM (in response to Noob_Lyncher)

          It isn't supposed to be much.  3 seconds to me seems like a far amount for a delay.  Halo did very well with a spawn delay and the game was much more about skill and strategy than just spawn-kill-die-spawn-kill-die.  You might actually think before you run out to an objective by yourself and try to capture it when the whole enemy team is up.

          • Noob_Lyncher Expert 1,500 posts since
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            Noob_Lyncher     Jan 11, 2013 12:15 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

            This is CoD. Randoms will never think, which is why I only play with friends. At least people use individual skill in CoD though, unlike Halo, where you just follow your teammates around so you never have to rely on skill to win a 1v1 gunfight.

            • iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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              iivrruummii     Jan 11, 2013 12:28 PM (in response to Noob_Lyncher)

              LOL.  Individual skill only gets you so far.  COD or Halo.  Individual skill doesn't get you wins.  You need a team for that.  I have yet to see anything from you that could make this a logical discussion.

              • Noob_Lyncher Expert 1,500 posts since
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                Noob_Lyncher     Jan 11, 2013 12:33 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

                In CoD, one person could break off from his team to flank and wipe out the other team, so that his team can get to an objective. That doesn't work in Halo unless you whore the power weapons all the time. Simple as that.

  • avngr9 Apprentice 863 posts since
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    avngr9     Jan 11, 2013 11:58 AM (in response to iivrruummii)

    Can't speak for Hard Point or Dom but I think it would ruin Demolition.  Every second counts in the game mode and for the most part the bombsites are equal lengths from attackers to defenders.  This is why the TI is a valuable asset in that game mode.

     

    I get why it is needed in CTF.  There is a strategic aspect to it but if people were constantlly respawning it would be almost impossible to capture the flag and escape since the flags are in each teams base/spawn area.  Some bombsites in Demo are hard enough (think B on Yemen or Hijack).

     

    On a personal note, I hate respawn timers.  I'm that button masher that is trying to get spawned as qucikly as possible so I typically avoid games with them.  That's my two cents.

    • iivrruummii Master 3,892 posts since
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      iivrruummii     Jan 11, 2013 12:04 PM (in response to avngr9)

      I understand.  I used to play Halo back in the day, and I think that the spawn delay influences the competitiveness of the game drastically, and it could make gamemodes like Demo and Dom more about strategy than constantly rushing onto the flag or into the bomb site.

       

      When I play Demo it is hard to even plant sometimes because the enemy constantly spawns on the one of the objectives.  I was just something I thought of that made a lot of sense to me.  I understand if people don't like it because most people don't like change or want to leave there comfort zone.

  • NotablePie Apprentice 369 posts since
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    NotablePie     Jan 11, 2013 12:37 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

    spawntrappers will love it i guess

    makes pushing back a team and just waiting for them alot easier as you'll get atleast 3 sec's of breathing time before they spawn again

    • anahum Newbie 34 posts since
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      anahum     Jan 11, 2013 1:00 PM (in response to NotablePie)

      It is a good idea. The second you kill off the objective, they kill you before it can be captured

       

      Referencing domination.

      • NotablePie Apprentice 369 posts since
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        NotablePie     Jan 11, 2013 1:11 PM (in response to anahum)

        if you come up against a decent organised team they will make sure you never even leave your spawn once they killed everyone on your team a few times as they will push you back, it might be just 3 sec's, but in those 3 sec's they can move up and push you back further, and once you're pushed back far enough those 3 sec's is more as enough time to reload to make sure they're ready for you coming back again

         

        sounds nice in theory, will be hell if actually implemented

        people will do anything to win, so what makes you think they won't abuse the respawn timer ?

        most of the spawnkilling happens in CTF, which has a 7.5sec respawn delay

        doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that that respawn delay is one of the biggest factors of it being possible to trap people like that

        • Noob_Lyncher Expert 1,500 posts since
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          Noob_Lyncher     Jan 11, 2013 1:14 PM (in response to NotablePie)

          Exactly. Having no respawn timer makes things a little more competitive since you constantly have to do stuff, rather than wait for the enemy team to move up, kill them, move up, collect community chest, wait for enemy team to move up, kill them, move up, pass go, and collect your spawn trappings.

  • parnezzi Apprentice 1,009 posts since
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    parnezzi     Jan 11, 2013 1:04 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

    yes i just love spawning every 3 secs to die to a lightning strike or a killstreak just so i have to wait some more

  • brsox Expert 1,028 posts since
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    brsox     Jan 11, 2013 1:17 PM (in response to iivrruummii)

    I wouldn't enjoy a 3 second spawn delay. I would however enjoy a 3 second explosion / killstreak immunity when I spawn.

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