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playerone2 Novice 235 posts since
Nov 29, 2011

Could this game get any worse? apparently so! ( lag )

Posted by playerone2 on Jan 11, 2013 4:20 AM

i dont know if it was this hotfix but this game has been fudged up, even for this game.

 

Today i played ground war for about 2hrs with a full team of 9. and every player on my team was complaining about the lag. A LOT.

by the end it was like "whos buying the new map packs". "idk im thinking about throwing this game in the trash right now".

 

everybody on my team is within 800 miles of each other and are either on fibre optics or very good cable. 15 - 50 mbps. no wifi. as a team we should not have a problem with connections. especially for 2hrs straight. not one fair game.

 

The ones with the best connection were getting it the worse of corse.

 

There was even a point where we all unplugged our routers and modems and reset everything.

 

there was a couple times where it started good. but buy the second round it was completly trashed again.

you know the story. shooting a guy in the back 20 times just to have him shoot the wall in front of him once and kill you some how.

Or get shot in the back out of nowhere, watch the killcam and you ran right through the guy and he was like wtf spray.

or it just takes 20 shots to kill them and 2 shots to die.

 

I was watching this guy that destroyed me in a geme livestream the other day. and he was getting shot to the point where there was a full circle of red around him and he would just keep going. coincidentally he had a 3.9 k/d. hmmm.  why cant i ever get that advantage.

 

Here you go. hope this thread doesnt get deleted now.

im sure activision hates ovenbakedmuffin http://www.youtube.com/user/OvenBakedMuffin/featured

They should hire him. This guy puts a lot of time into trying to help make this game better. check him out.

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  • Adeeez100 Novice 192 posts since
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    Adeeez100     Jan 10, 2013 3:59 AM (in response to playerone2)

    Havn't played this game for a while, there's been a hotfix?, maybe i will put the game in just for curiosity's sake. Surely it could not get any worse?.

     

    I'll repost shortly......................

  • Adeeez100 Novice 192 posts since
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    Adeeez100     Jan 10, 2013 4:53 AM (in response to playerone2)

    Ner, not much difference for me, every single last one of the other ones plays better.

     

    Apart from that it's just not enjoyable anyway. Someone posted yesterday that a lot of halo players have gone to blops 2, yep i can tell a lot of kids jumping around like it's halo, just one more annoyance to deal with if you bother playing this game.

     

    Not me, there are much better fps's out there, i think i'll leave this one for the demographic it was aimed at, point in case, halo players "love it" say no more, pffft, would love to meet the 14 year old that was obviously involved with the creative on this one.

  • Err0r_6_ Apprentice 834 posts since
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    Err0r_6_     Jan 10, 2013 5:24 AM (in response to playerone2)

    well your playing ground war, of course its gonna be laggy

  • phxs72 Master 3,641 posts since
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    phxs72     Jan 10, 2013 5:24 AM (in response to playerone2)

    I actually had some of the best gaming of my BO2 experience last night.  I only had one match where I was behind.  I'm certain that it will be short lived but I enjoyed it while it lasted.

    • Foxman350 Novice 251 posts since
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      Foxman350     Jan 10, 2013 5:28 AM (in response to phxs72)

      Last night was rough for me, the highest i could pull was 1.2 kd. This morning two games, first one 1.6 (we won) and then 2.8(we lost)  I know I'm nut uber but I do Know when i am getting screwed over.

       

       

      Pretty sure it has nothing to do with the hot fixes people keep talking about, seems to be during peak hours.

  • Lil_lisa_rocks Calculating status... 33 posts since
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    Lil_lisa_rocks     Jan 10, 2013 6:33 AM (in response to playerone2)

    Yes there is lag in the game, However it is nowhere near as prevalent as poeple want to feel it is. Poeple just use this lag excuse whenever they are playing bad. If you have a good game you never care. But apparently every bad game means it was becasue of lag. Which is a complete and utter ly.

    • zingaa Expert 995 posts since
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      zingaa     Jan 10, 2013 6:43 AM (in response to Lil_lisa_rocks)

      Lil_lisa_rocks wrote:

       

      Yes there is lag in the game, However it is nowhere near as prevalent as poeple want to feel it is. Poeple just use this lag excuse whenever they are playing bad. If you have a good game you never care. But apparently every bad game means it was becasue of lag. Which is a complete and utter ly.

      You're very wrong, but ok.

      • smokesdope Master 2,000 posts since
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        smokesdope     Jan 10, 2013 6:53 AM (in response to zingaa)

        Yeah have to agree I've done everything I can - wired connection ,configured router,wired controller getting a scuff one just need to post it off, bought a gaming monitor 2ms input lag .

           But the game is still REALLY laggy ,matchmaking sucks constantly get dropped from lobbies which can be annoying when you find a good lobby where everyone is talking and having a laugh . Never came across such bad lag in a game its beyond a joke . Then to add insult to injury the Dev's won't admit its a problem .

    • darkwitness Novice 345 posts since
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      darkwitness     Jan 10, 2013 6:49 AM (in response to Lil_lisa_rocks)

      Very very not true at all, but a typical response from someone who really does not get the issue.

       

      and people do mention and talk about being in "god" mode when they notice it as well as this is the other extreme end of the issue.

       

      I notice it, I can say that much and I have talked about it.

      • DR65DR Novice 366 posts since
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        DR65DR     Jan 10, 2013 6:55 AM (in response to darkwitness)

        Whenever the host migrates mid-game, I check the screen to see if it's hit me again. It usually does. For every 20 games I play as host, I might have 1 where I get some sort of host advantage. And it's beyond easy to tell when that happens, because your bullets impact the milisecond you release your trigger.

         

        Lil_lisa_rocks, you're very much mistaken, but you're welcome to your opinion.

    • BazL79 Calculating status... 51 posts since
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      BazL79     Jan 10, 2013 6:54 AM (in response to Lil_lisa_rocks)

      Maybe not for you, and that's great!

       

      But this game is by far the lagiest, most unstable net coded game I have ever played, If i counted how many host disadvantage instakills, host migrations, dashboarders, connection interrupted and generally laggy games I experienced in 1 day, i think the results would be shocking!

    • phxs72 Master 3,641 posts since
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      phxs72     Jan 10, 2013 7:05 AM (in response to Lil_lisa_rocks)

      Very true. There are times when you know that you are lagging (ie a whole clip into a guys back at point blank range and he still hasn't noticed you). But there are other times that you would think that you are lagging but in reality you just got outplayed. There's a pretty fine line between having a beast game and getting routed that has nothing to do with lag but rather who wins those initial gun fights and can get in the best position for the followup fights.  Sometimes the guys that you stomp really aren't bad players.  They just looked left early on when you were on the right and then couldn't recover.  It's quite difficult to beat an entrenched team.

      • BazL79 Newbie 51 posts since
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        BazL79     Jan 10, 2013 7:24 AM (in response to phxs72)

        I know when the game is unstable, and I know when I got beat fair and square. I only call BS when it's BS, not when I get fairly outgunned, I suspect it's the same for others on here who experience what I talked about above.

  • Klinefeld Novice 147 posts since
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    Klinefeld     Jan 10, 2013 7:26 AM (in response to playerone2)

    LOL! 17 ppl trying to connect to ONE host and you expect it to not be laggy? GTFO.

    • slayer0fg0d Newbie 68 posts since
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      slayer0fg0d     Jan 10, 2013 12:35 PM (in response to Klinefeld)

      michael2223 this is the kind of thing i was talking about if your lagging they have a ton of time to aim and fire on you and you dont even get to see there pixels half the time its a instant kill and your wanting to know how the hell you got killed and were it came from.. i call this the pop up killer because your dead before you even see his pixles..and game type and player count dosent mean jack squat.. it happens in all game types and modes.. and i dont think they can or will find a fix for this issue they couldnt do it on the last 6 games why would this one be any diffrent.

  • Michael2223 Newbie 11 posts since
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    Michael2223     Jan 10, 2013 7:31 AM (in response to playerone2)

    The problems that you, me and many other people are experiencing are not connection related

     

    • darkwitness Novice 345 posts since
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      darkwitness     Jan 10, 2013 7:40 AM (in response to Michael2223)

      exactly. Thank you...

       

      Now can the people who keep saying this delay is to do with our connections and nothing to do with the games code explain what is going on here?

    • Foxman350 Novice 251 posts since
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      Foxman350     Jan 10, 2013 8:33 AM (in response to Michael2223)

      ISP's only compound this issue.  Seems to me an inherent issue, that may be hard to fix.

      • sgtDLC Novice 226 posts since
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        sgtDLC     Jan 10, 2013 8:59 AM (in response to Foxman350)

        Internet issue in split screen? looool

        • Foxman350 Novice 251 posts since
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          Foxman350     Jan 10, 2013 9:21 AM (in response to sgtDLC)

          This issue exists in online play as well and ISP connections make it worse.

          • adw1983 Master 2,513 posts since
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            adw1983     Jan 11, 2013 8:25 AM (in response to Foxman350)

            Actually, by routing the game through a PC -- we have learned that the game ALWAYS -- AT ALL TIMES, perform with between 2x and 3x the ping.

             

            Here's the deal

            You have 100 ping to the host.

            Because the host is in europe, and you're in the USA.

            Or vice versa.

             

            100 ping means that everything you do gets to him in 0.05 seconds -- 50 milliseconds -- but that his machine also needs 0.05 seconds to respond.

            That means that in an optimally balanced game -- all your actions should happen in the game world 0.05 seconds after you did them, and what you see on the screen is what happened 0.05 seconds ago on the host side.

             

            100 ping is considered unplayable by most first person shooter gamers.

            Yet this game will add 100 OR MORE "ping" to your 100 ping, giving you a 0.20 second delay.

            But even worse -- you can be 0.13-0.40 seconds DISADVANTAGED:

            You can be given such much delay, artificially, that you cannot in any way respond to what other players do, because the artificial lag "smoothing system" / lag compensation smothers you.

             

            ...

             

            For reference, MW2 was the last game that performed optimally, adding only 10-30 ping (0.01 and 0.03 second delays -- which is practically negligible.) to 100 ping connections.

    • sgtDLC Novice 226 posts since
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      sgtDLC     Jan 10, 2013 8:47 AM (in response to Michael2223)

      This is true, I tested it for myself. Amazing. Keep this post on top so everyone can see

    • FixBlops2 Expert 2,020 posts since
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      FixBlops2     Jan 10, 2013 8:47 AM (in response to Michael2223)

      someone has posted a similar video here in the forums and then the thread got deleted, do the developer try to hide something from us?

      • Dyn4mics Novice 251 posts since
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        Dyn4mics     Jan 10, 2013 8:53 AM (in response to FixBlops2)

        There's no conspiracy to hide threads. There was most likely a degredation of conversation or some other violation of the rules that mandated that the thread be deleted.

        • adw1983 Master 2,513 posts since
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          adw1983     Jan 11, 2013 8:28 AM (in response to Dyn4mics)

          I posted a video yesterday, explaining what the video contained in a civil manner.

          My thread got deleted without warning nor explanation.

           

          HOWEVER -- there IS an 'official' thread on the matter;

          Something in the lines of "VAHN asks for video proof of the lag".

          It's not official, but it's one massive thread that tries to compile all the videos regarding the (proven) broken lag compensation system.

  • sgtDLC Novice 226 posts since
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    sgtDLC     Jan 10, 2013 9:02 AM (in response to playerone2)

    Hmmmm did they? I didn't notice, omg :O

    Can you change name of the post like camera lag?

  • BACONndEGGS Novice 211 posts since
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    BACONndEGGS     Jan 10, 2013 9:09 AM (in response to playerone2)

    Lol groundwar is always laggy

  • RexxCastle Apprentice 791 posts since
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    RexxCastle     Jan 10, 2013 9:12 AM (in response to playerone2)

    you kids keep complaining,  if its so bad why not quit and sell the game?

     

    I think beef liver is BAD...  so i dont eat it

    • SeraphOne Novice 271 posts since
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      SeraphOne     Jan 10, 2013 9:16 AM (in response to RexxCastle)

      You should, its good for you, it's got plenty of iron and vitamin A

    • BACONndEGGS Novice 211 posts since
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      BACONndEGGS     Jan 10, 2013 9:23 AM (in response to RexxCastle)

      exactly! When I was growing up I was big into the NBA now I really don't like basketball so I don't watch anymore. Why if ppl hate cod so much stop playing?

      • SeraphOne Novice 271 posts since
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        SeraphOne     Jan 10, 2013 9:29 AM (in response to BACONndEGGS)

        Don't you feel like you're learning anything from this discussion? Surely watching the video and following the topic gives you an idea of how the game actually works, not how you think it works?

    • BOps2PI Novice 181 posts since
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      BOps2PI     Jan 10, 2013 9:32 AM (in response to RexxCastle)

      I know plenty of smokers who complain about how it stinks, how they shouldn't do it becuase it's bad for you and yet do it anyway.

       

      Bad example is bad example.

  • BOps2PI Novice 181 posts since
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    BOps2PI     Jan 10, 2013 9:37 AM (in response to playerone2)

    We're consumers. We all tend to buy something and constantly use it even though it's bad for us or we don't exactly believe in the product. Let's just face the facts here and keep on.

     

    Also, as someone mentioned in a prior thread and I'm sure numerous before that - The people who come on the forums are probably a 1/10 of the people who actually buy and play the game. With that being said, either a). We're raging losers who are doing something wrong or don't care to adapt, or b).Millions of people just don't care enough to jump on here and rant about it, which leads me back to a).

     


    • Ss78_ Apprentice 839 posts since
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      Ss78_     Jan 10, 2013 9:55 AM (in response to BOps2PI)

      C). People who come to the forums care enough to start/participate in discussions regarding their favourite game.

      • acedzer0 Newbie 15 posts since
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        acedzer0     Jan 10, 2013 10:08 AM (in response to Ss78_)

        Ss78_ wrote:

         

        C). People who come to the forums care enough to start/participate in discussions regarding their favourite game.

        The problem is these discussions fall on deaf ears because we are the minority...

        • Ss78_ Apprentice 839 posts since
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          Ss78_     Jan 10, 2013 10:33 AM (in response to acedzer0)

          Don't believe that for one second. These forums are one of the many channels of communication used as mentioned and while not every comment will reach 3arc it has a better chance of reaching them if it exists than if not.

    • TH3_IT Novice 158 posts since
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      TH3_IT     Jan 10, 2013 9:58 AM (in response to BOps2PI)

      With the other discussion outlets Twitter, facebook, etc. it would cause traffic to be less on these forums, where as, if they didn't have those other discussion outlets they would all gather here.

  • sgtDLC Novice 226 posts since
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    sgtDLC     Jan 10, 2013 11:49 AM (in response to playerone2)

    At least I know it's not my internet and it's not lag compensation, it's game camera angle (or point of view) that is broken here.

    I am so relieved, now I can take advantige of this

  • ConeheadZero Calculating status... 48 posts since
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    ConeheadZero     Jan 10, 2013 1:47 PM (in response to playerone2)

    I don't know if the game still does matchup on skill besides connection choice, because if it does, then it'll probably become the most laggy COD ever as population start to drop.

     

    They need to drop matchups on skill, and focus on good connects only.

  • playerone2 Novice 235 posts since
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    playerone2     Jan 11, 2013 4:12 AM (in response to playerone2)

    Yah that video pretty much explains it. that lets you know its so one person can have an advantage on the other.

     

    What if...  it changes for every player in every game. like based on the few games prior. to keep you from winning or loosing too much.

     

    And there is no host advantage. for the host at least. maybe for a second. but as soon as everyones connections start jumping around there is none.

     

    Honestly the host should have a slight advantage. as a reward for having such a good internet connection. with out them we could not play this game. Id rather one person have an advantage than 6. or 9.

     

    Ill update the first post with the video that this video wants to be.

    • Vekta67 Novice 196 posts since
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      Vekta67     Jan 11, 2013 8:11 AM (in response to playerone2)

      Yes lag is very bad. But you have to remember cable, has hundreds of people on one ******* line. Casuing shitty itermittent sync in peek hours. Then fibre, is only true fibre, if it's fibre to the home. If it's fibre to the node (crossbox). Then it's copper the rest of the way. 50mb sound like fibre to the node. Most of the time anything past the nod, is shitty 50+ year old copper most of the time buried lines.

       

      But just ranting cause i'm an internet/phone install repari guy.

       

      But yes lag compensation is the fact. You can have 175/175 fibre to the home, and still get lagged out. Cause the game is lag compensating the DSL guy who is 5/1. Simple as that.

      • adw1983 Master 2,513 posts since
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        adw1983     Jan 11, 2013 8:50 AM (in response to Vekta67)

        I have 60 ping at the very worst to the ENTIRE continent of europe where players play.

        EVERYWHERE.

        Yet I have had cases of being 0.20 seconds behind the enemy.

         

        Seeing videos of lag comp delays reaching 0.40 seconds delays at 75 ping to the host (0.0375 seconds for the host's data to reach you and 0.0375 seconds for your data to reach the host -- meaning your 75 ping is effectively 475)

         

        It's not our connections.

        MOST of the lag -- MOST OF OUR LAG -- is CAUSED by the lag compensation system.

        MOST OF IT.

         

        Having 75 ping to the host will cause 0.28 second delays in firefights versus non-host players.

        Of those 0.28 seconds, only 0.10 seconds CAN be considered related to YOUR connection.

        In fact, the game would only NEED 0.05 second delays for movement and 0.10 seconds for shooting -- instead of the 0.28 second delays we experience.

        • playerone2 Novice 235 posts since
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          playerone2     Jan 11, 2013 3:23 PM (in response to adw1983)

          I wish i had a case where i was .2 seconds. Its .2 sec on lan connection. i usually havw 1-2 sec delay. not exagerating. i can ping LA with 10ms NY with 20 and Taiwan with 130ms.

           

          Its not my connection. ive used 5 different routers 3 different modems. different settings port forward, dmz, changed mtu, QoS made a lag switch. hooked up the orange and yellow wires so they were barely touching so the was barely a connection. no instructions on that one.

           

          Nothing helps. having the wires messed up worked the best but my team suffered.

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