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MiLLwauKeeee Novice 123 posts since
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Best set up for hardcore ?

Posted by MiLLwauKeeee on Jan 9, 2013 8:46 PM

I'm using the FAL and SMR to finish up diamond assault rifles. What's the best perks for hardcore ?

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  • RemiG1985Quebec Novice 135 posts since
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    RemiG1985Quebec     Jan 10, 2013 6:13 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    It would be easier to say the least usefull perks for hardcore

     

    So Toughtness is a no-no. You wont flinch, you will die in Hardcore, its no airsoft or paintballs lol

     

    Tactical mask, I never used it, there is not much concussions or flashbang used in hardcore.

     

    Hardwired... you already dont have mini map and hud, so dont bother using it

     

    Dead Silence... i dont have a fancy headset, and I can't hear ennemy walking anyway, so im assuming its the same for them.

     

    Awareness... If it works for you in Core, it should work for you also in Hardcore, if not, it sure wont help more

  • xmrythem Apprentice 928 posts since
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    xmrythem     Jan 10, 2013 6:28 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    I usually equip a gun and a few perks

  • RemiG1985Quebec Novice 135 posts since
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    RemiG1985Quebec     Jan 10, 2013 6:28 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    Perks that have improved efficacity in Hardcore

     

    Cold Blooded: Friendly fire is enabled... so efverytime you encounter an ennemy up or down stairs, or in corridors, with cold blooded on, your name dont appear in big bright red, so the fraction of second longer it take them to figure if you are teammate or an opponent, is a big advantage for you

     

    And it help you not being sprayed by LMG with target finder

     

    Dexterity: Since the few first shots are determinant on who will win the encounter, the faster your gun is up and firing, the better it is.

     

    Engineer: No mini map mean you need your head to figure out where ennemy are. Engineer make you see them throw betties, shock charges and such, even thru walls, so you know about where they are.

  • r33k Apprentice 629 posts since
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    r33k     Jan 10, 2013 6:37 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    well, you can throw core aids out the window first of all.

     

    so toughness can be ditched all together. made no difference in hardcore.

     

    remember we play with more tactics in HC, so whats good tactically wise?

     

    unseen

    unheard

     

    those are the 2 top elements

     

    the FAL is a beast. you will gold this one without the slightest frustration. to be honest, if you want the fast road, use the target finder as soon as you aquire it. then select fire

     

    this goes even further with the SMR. the SMR has the worst sights ever created. that, in conjunction with your tunnel vision in this game will make you frustrated. so again, target finder and select fire. you will rip your hair out on the SMR when it comes to no perks/no attachements. but its so worth it to get fuggin diamonds!

     

    after you get diamond, you will be playin the M-27 a lot. that is my prediction

  • myevo8you Apprentice 768 posts since
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    myevo8you     Jan 10, 2013 7:33 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    Perk 1 - Use either lightweight if you like to rush or Hardline if you like killstreaks faster, BUT only if you run anything above a Guardian, or Flak Jacket if you find yourself dieing a LOT by grenades (see perk 3 for a reason NOT to run Flak Jacket)

     

    Perk 2 - Use Scavenger to resupply your Black Hats (a MUST have for hardcore), and Betties (also another must have), or Cold Blooded if you die a lot to hunter killer drones.

     

    Perk 3 - ENGINEER. Really there is not another perk that needs to be used in HC. This not only protects YOU from hidden equipment, BUT with Black Hat you can hack it through the walls and usually get a kill by the idiot camping behind it.

     

    Here are the reasons for NOT using the other perks

     

    Perk 1

    Blind eye - you won't see very many killstreaks that are AI controlled in HC. I have literally almost 1,000 matches played and seen 5-6.

     

    Ghost - There is no permanent radar up, so the ONLY time this perk is effective is when the enemy has a UAV up, so if you play a team that only gets 1-2 up a game then you are wasting a perk slot for ONE MINUTE or LESS of gameplay. If you carry a launcher you can literally shoot them down before the second radar sweep, AND you get points!

     

    Perk 2

    Hardwired - I have literally NEVER been EMP'd and the use of counter UAV is pretty well limited to players who get it in care packages, and even then most of the time they will re-roll it to try to get an assault streak.

     

    Fast Hands - You don't see very many grenades, so the throw back reset is useless, and swapping weapons faster is not really necessary.

     

    Toughness - You pretty much instantly die, so you will never have a "flinch" reflex when shot

     

    Perk 3

    Dexterity - this one I'm on the fence about, as if you had an extra 2 slots to use with the perk 3 greed, this one would be the one to use.

     

    Dead Silence - really the only thing this counters is Awareness, and probably only about 5% or less of players use this.

     

    Extreme conditioning - Only useful in HCKC, and not any other mode in HC

     

    Tac Mask - useless perk as if you run engineer YOU CAN SEE SHOCK CHARGES, and not too many people run flash/concussion

     

    Awareness - Unless you are dead set on sitting in a small area and waiting for enemies then there is no need for this.

    • RemiG1985Quebec Novice 135 posts since
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      RemiG1985Quebec     Jan 10, 2013 8:19 AM (in response to myevo8you)

      myevo8you wrote:

       

       

       

      Perk 2 - Use Scavenger to resupply your Black Hats (a MUST have for hardcore), and Betties (also another must have), or Cold Blooded if you die a lot to hunter killer drones.

       

       

       

      A little rectification

      I use Cold Blooded in all my classes for hardcore, and it does not protect in any way from Hunter killer Drones

       

      For the use of Scavenger... with the weapon the OP is planning to use ( FAL and SMR) its almost always one bullet to kill, so he won't run out of ammo anytime soon. Won't even need to reload after a triple-kill.

       

      The use of betties is a double edged sword, the people with Engineer see you throwing them, which give an idea of your location, even if you just throw them while running.

    • KarlSoprano88 Newbie 9 posts since
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      KarlSoprano88     Jan 10, 2013 9:01 AM (in response to myevo8you)

      "myevo8you"  Your post is by far the stupidest post i have ever read on this site, more or less EVERYTHING of what you said was wrong.

       

      Cold Blooded does NOT stop hunter killer drones, Blind Eye is what you need.

       

      Black Hats and Betties are the most noobiest equipment you could possible use and completely useless.

       

      Engineer is a waste of time because if your a decent player you will move tactically anyway to avoid betties an other equipment.

       

      There is nothing but UAV's up in hardcore all game very game.

       

      Extreme Conditioning is VERY usefull in Hardcore S&D if you like to rush it could be a game winner.

       

      Dead Silence probabely the MOST USED perk on the game especially in hardcore i dont know what this idiot is talking about i think only 5% of players DONT use it.

       

      Awareness is also a must due to all the players who use dead silence but its only useful if you play tactically.

       

      Tac mast is also useful because of the shock charges that are EVERYWERE.

       

      I dont know why you would try to give advice to somebody when you yourself are more than likely terrible at the game due to the fact you dont even know what the perks actually do yet your advising people to use them.

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      I only play hardcore either KC or S&D and i would reccomend

      Perk 1 - Lightweight (For rushing) (or ghost if you care but i shoot down UAV's)

      Perk 2 - Scavenger (if you use claymore as refilling your claymores is vital for extra kills on S&D and could win you the game. (if you dont use claymores i would say cold blooded)

      Perk 3 - you need to use perk 3 GREED and use both dead silence and awareness if you dont use both you are at a disadvantage because everybody else does.

       

      My KD is like 2.15 and my WL is similar i actually know what im talking about.

      • nicedrewishfela Master 8,283 posts since
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        nicedrewishfela     Jan 10, 2013 9:47 AM (in response to KarlSoprano88)

        Did you just use the words "most noobiest"?

         

        Are you incapable of counter-pointing his argument without sinking to insults?

      • slayer0fg0d Newbie 68 posts since
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        slayer0fg0d     Jan 10, 2013 12:19 PM (in response to KarlSoprano88)

        use any pistol it draws faster then any gun in the game and it's power in hard core is untouched buy any gun they have 1 shot 1 kill across the map and with light weight and extream con you can run faster then anyone else..

      • NoLifeKing29 Apprentice 1,399 posts since
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        NoLifeKing29     Jan 10, 2013 2:57 PM (in response to KarlSoprano88)

        worst setup I have seen. Advocating DS and Awareness, are you trolling?

        • KarlSoprano88 Newbie 9 posts since
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          KarlSoprano88     Jan 11, 2013 7:25 AM (in response to NoLifeKing29)

          no im not trolling im actually winning every game we play with a win ratio and a KD both over 2.15... maybe you should use my set up it might improve you as a player, I use DS an awareness so nobody can hear me but i can hear them if you dont think thats an advantage then you sir dont have a clue what your talking about.

           

          (also remember 90% of my gameplay is hardcore S&D... its a tactical game... you need to hear people)

      • myevo8you Apprentice 768 posts since
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        myevo8you     Jan 10, 2013 3:23 PM (in response to KarlSoprano88)

        If you think that Black Hats and Betties are "noobiest" and useless YOU are sadly mistaken. A betty is the SAME THING as a claymore, only it spins and flies in the air.

         

        If you use Engineer YOU SEE THE SHOCK CHARGES therefor rendering the use of Tac Mask null and void. Also if using Engineer and a Black Hat you can hack their shock charge and make them either destroy it or have on of their teammates run into it.

         

        If ANYONE uses dead silence in this game then they are wasting a perk. The footsteps are barely audible and with the ambient noise increased in HC, the enemies cannot be heard unless they are literally 2 feet away and by that time it's too late for either them or you.

         

        Oh, and if by terrible you mean a 2.7 K/D and a W/L of over 3 and a SPM of around 300 only playing HCTDM then sure, I am TERRIBLE at the game. UAVs require FIVE kills without hardline and people playing against our team will rarely get 1 a game, and even then we have 4 guys packing launchers to take it out within a few seconds rendering Ghost a useless perk.

        If you think that Black Hats and Betties are "noobiest" and useless YOU are sadly mistaken. A betty is the SAME THING as a claymore, only it spins and flies in the air. You actually advocate using claymores and scavenger, so PLEASE tell me the major difference.

         

        If you use Engineer YOU SEE THE SHOCK CHARGES therefor rendering the use of Tac Mask null and void. Also if using Engineer and a Black Hat you can hack their shock charge and make them either destroy it or have on of their teammates run into it. Engineer can show you a building/area across the map where the enemy has holed up and planted 6 shock chargesa 4 betties and a sentry gun and you can get close and hack the sentry gun causing the cockroaches to scatter into their equipment that you just hacked.

         

        If ANYONE uses dead silence in this game then they are wasting a perk. The footsteps are barely audible and with the ambient noise increased in HC, the enemies cannot be heard unless they are literally 2 feet away and by that time it's too late for either them or you.

         

        Oh, and if by terrible you mean a 2.7 K/D and a W/L of over 3 and a SPM of around 300 only playing HCTDM then sure, I am TERRIBLE at the game. UAVs require FIVE kills without hardline and people playing against our team will rarely get 1 a game, and even then we have 4 guys packing launchers to take it out within a few seconds rendering Ghost a useless perk.

         

        You say that everyone uses awareness and dead silence, but I have yet to run into a clan/party with more than 1-2 people using either one. I actually go through Elite with recent players and look at class setups of my enemies and see what people are using.

         

        If your team is battling UAV's constantly then I SERIOUSLY doubt you are as good as you say you are.

        • nicedrewishfela Master 8,283 posts since
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          nicedrewishfela     Jan 10, 2013 3:26 PM (in response to myevo8you)

          Correction.. "Most Noobiest"

        • KarlSoprano88 Newbie 9 posts since
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          KarlSoprano88     Jan 11, 2013 7:39 AM (in response to myevo8you)

          OK... the major difference is a claymore will kill somebody a betty wont, all you have to do is duck, this is why you get bettys at an early level but you dont get claymores till something like 53... use your common sense.

           

          But why would you care about hacking equipment? i see alot of noobs, usually women who just run round maps hacking equipment to get points, its pointless because rather than hacking all the enemies equipment i will just kill him and it dissapears im not going to crouch around with engineer on looking for equipment to hack...

           

          Dead Silence is the most important perk to me because if you have a decent headset then you can hear every footstep a mile off which is also why i combine it with awareness to make sure i do hear them, as i said i mainly play search so its important to hear people. ill help you... go to your audio settings and turn the preset to supercrunch, you will hear everything.

           

          Your KD is clearly not 2.7 unless you boosted it which you most likely did, either that or you sit in corners scared to die.

           

          You actually go through elite to look at what your recent players have been using,,, really? haha

           

          My clan is HcHs...anybody who plays hardcore search will know us, theres 15 of us, we all use DS and awareness and like i said we dont lose, we mayt lose 1 in 30. When we play we have 2 of us with lock ons to take out UAVs as soon as they go up, which is every 5 seconds especially on HCKC because ppl collect tags for there score streaks which is why UAVs are constantly up.

           

          My gamertag is lll murder lll i recently reset my stats 2 days ago but my win ratio and kd is still up there. What is your gamertag?

  • jcostanzo27 Novice 405 posts since
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    jcostanzo27     Jan 10, 2013 7:51 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    Ghost + Hardline

    no perk 2

    Hacker - Dead Silence

     

    Primary gun fighter

     

    Silencer foregrip Stock  -  Any assault rifle.

  • Blackie1 Novice 249 posts since
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    Blackie1     Jan 10, 2013 9:17 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    (Ignore the other posts and listen to me .lol)

     

    Scar with grip and silencer

    ghost

    cold blooded

    engineer and dead silence

    pda x 2

     

    uav,care package and guardian

     

    Use this setup in any hardcore mode and you will see it is the best setup by far!

    If you dont like the scar,swap it for the an94.

     

    the uav will get you an extra 500 score total in a game,the pda will net you around a thousand if you run into campers(more than likely) and the guardian if placed in a good spot will get you tons of score

     

    Go try it and tell me how you got on

  • MiLLwauKeeee Novice 123 posts since
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    MiLLwauKeeee     Jan 10, 2013 10:41 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    Thanks for all the input guys. Hardcore is definetly a change but to say the least I LOVE IT lol. I can't go back to core.

    • RemiG1985Quebec Novice 135 posts since
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      RemiG1985Quebec     Jan 10, 2013 10:53 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

      A good secondary weapon to use with the FAL or HMR, is the Kap 40 pistol.

       

      In close quarter situation, it is very effective. Just need to be carefull, is 15 bullet magazine run out fast. Dual wield is an option to overcome it, or extended mag.

    • nicedrewishfela Master 8,283 posts since
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      nicedrewishfela     Jan 10, 2013 12:14 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

      Welcome to the dark side

  • Nugzy411 Newbie 6 posts since
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    Nugzy411     Jan 10, 2013 1:54 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    I run the PDW (trying to gold it right now) with fast mag and laser sight. Perk 1 Greed, Lightweight and Hardline, Scavenger, Dexterity. C4 and Black Hat. UAV/Sentry/Dragonfire. The sentry gun and the dragonfire are almost unfair in hardcore.

  • riffy08 Apprentice 379 posts since
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    riffy08     Jan 10, 2013 1:59 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    I find that the perks in this game are almost secondary to the attachments...doing those 150 kills with no attachments is much more painful than the no perks.  Do you guys find this to be so?  So, I'll play around with the different perks but it just does not affect my gameplay as much as the attachments.  I know this doesn't answer your question, but there are some good replies above.

  • banned-again Expert 1,629 posts since
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    banned-again     Jan 10, 2013 1:59 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    my top 3 must have things for hardcore

     

    1) silencer

    2) engineer

    3) emp's

  • KoRny1 Novice 336 posts since
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    KoRny1     Jan 10, 2013 2:57 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    Engineer, Cold Blooded, and Blind Eye are probably the way to go for perks.

    You also are probably going to want to use either an smg, or assault rifle with the highest accuracy, and firing speed ...with a silencer

  • iivrruummii Master 3,893 posts since
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    iivrruummii     Jan 10, 2013 3:32 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    M8A1-Red Dot+Quickdraw

    Perk 1 Flak Jacket

    Perk 2 Cold-blooded

    Perk 3 Dexterity, Awareness

    Perk 3 Greed.

    EMP Grenade x2.

  • nicedrewishfela Master 8,283 posts since
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    nicedrewishfela     Jan 10, 2013 3:51 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    I find it amusing that people ignored the fact you are trying for the FAL and SMR camos.

     

    Welcome to hardcore! Glad you are enjoying it.

     

    Just got diamond myself, and the biggest grinds for me were the FAL OSW and the SMR by a long shot.

     

    I found it helpful to run Primary Gunfighter with Laser Sight, Select Fire, and either the silencer or FMJ. Both guns are so accurate that using the laser sight sight sometimes helps with headshots as it will jump up when firing. Select fire helps because of the need for quicker reaction and fire time, and silencer to remove that booming, distinctive firing sound. FMJs are great as well, got a lot of headshots through walls by wallbanging a bit.

     

    As for perks I pretty much always run Blind Eye (hate running from streaks), Cold Blooded (Lots of people use target finders), and Engineer, though consider using Perk 3 Greed and combine it with Dexterity. The improved movement speed helps, especially when one on one with faster firing weapons.

     

    Good luck!

  • RasputinsShaft Novice 110 posts since
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    RasputinsShaft     Jan 10, 2013 5:36 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    I run SMR

    *Target Finder

    *Suppreser

    *Forgrip

     

    Perk....

    *BlindEye

    *Ghost

    *ColdBlooded \ Scavenger

    *Dead Silance

    *Extreme Conditioning

     

    No Secondary \ No Leathal \ tac

  • Restore_Hardcore Expert 2,284 posts since
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    Restore_Hardcore     Jan 10, 2013 6:47 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    The diamond camo looks like something my daughter would put on her phone. No diamonds for me, chrome would have been nice. Props to those who put diamond camo on their guns, they should have made pink camo to go along with the diamonds.

  • SP 671 Novice 129 posts since
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    SP 671     Jan 10, 2013 6:50 PM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    Use what you like in HC.  You will see more varied builds in HC due to the gamemode.  Most perks have a use in HC and people will go round and round about their viability.  EXcept for Toughness, this the single most agreed upon useless perk in HC, hell even Flak Jacket has more potential than Toughness. 

     

    Same thing goes for weapons...you'll see more of a variety since TTK is less of a factor in HC.

     

    One thing I wish they included in HC is showing the loadout of the person that killed you like they do in core, without the killcam obviously.

     

    My 2 cents...

  • DaddyTinman Novice 202 posts since
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    DaddyTinman     Jan 11, 2013 8:18 AM (in response to MiLLwauKeeee)

    I use Cold Blooded 90% of the time in HC.  Essential unless you have something to take out the AI guided arsenals of death.  I use Toughness only 2% of the time as there is no benefit in HC with the one or two shot deaths you experience.

     

    A recommendation I would like to offer is Overkill.  Yes, you lose an extra slot but with the SMR or FAL as primary and the MSMC or PDW as secondary, you have the magazine depth as well as necessary distance covered.  I add Engineer and a EMD grenade to take out AGRs, sentry guns, and guardians.

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