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GeneralApathy Newbie 20 posts since
Nov 25, 2012

there is literally no reason NOT to use SMGs

Posted by GeneralApathy on Dec 31, 2012 3:11 PM

they are better than every other weapon type by miles, they have more bullets, fire faster, load faster, make you run like a rabid crack-addicted greyhound and the most accurate ones can out-snipe sniper rifles. Why even bother with anything else?

 

Shotguns are useless outside of thirty feet

 

Snipers are useless, period. You CAN do well with a sniper, but against a room full of even halfway competent SMG users, it's highly unlikely.

 

ARs are basically slower more accurate SMGs, but still take at least 3 hits to kill and SMGs get higher rate of fire anyway, and the MSMC and PDW have no issues at long range. ARs are generally limited to 30 round magazines, the PDW has 50 BULLETS TO START WITH. WHAT?!

 

LMGs are so heavy and slow you will never survive the onslaught of Super Meth-head Gun users long enough to make your 100 round magazine matter.

 

Any idiot can pick up an SMG and rock a room with it, why bother playing a game that caters to skill-less play?

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  • brsox Expert 1,028 posts since
    Jul 20, 2011
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    LMGs could use a mobility buff to better compete. All guns could use a hip spray nerf.

    • Ch1chaa Novice 110 posts since
      Dec 26, 2012
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      Try playing hardcore with a smg, i'll bet you you will end negative (unless your playing that Highjacked). This is exactly why I started playing hardcore. Fed up with people running around and spraying to whatever moves with their SMG

      • A_Vampire_Angel Novice 146 posts since
        Nov 14, 2012
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        I play Hardcore, and basically only see SMGs. The reason is for the above comments: faster reload, faster fire rate, greater mobility, great accuracy.

         

        That's perfect for hardcore. Run around with a silenced Vector in Core mode, and you'll get beat. Run around with a silenced Vector in hardcore, and you're a god.

        • Ch1chaa Novice 110 posts since
          Dec 26, 2012
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          Then again I only see people in hardcore TDM with 1.0/1.5 k/d's or even worse. The better players will play with assault rifles, guaranteed. There is no advantage from playing with a SMG in hardcore.

          • A_Vampire_Angel Novice 146 posts since
            Nov 14, 2012
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            Ah, ok, that's where we differ. I don't touch TDM.

            • Ch1chaa Novice 110 posts since
              Dec 26, 2012
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              But won't you agree with me there isnt really any advantage from playing with a SMG in any given hardcore mode? It only takes 2/3 bullets to kill a guy (so reloading between killing is hardly necessary), close combats are more about reactions and accuracy than about fire rate and SMG's are in disadvantage with long range maps.

  • blb128 Expert 625 posts since
    Aug 24, 2011
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    skill-less play? Your the one without skills if your complaining about SMGs. Skilled players will tell you they arent as good as you think. Try leveling up the SCAR or AN-94. I can own SMG users easily with these guns.

    • darkkilla Calculating status... 11 posts since
      Dec 26, 2012
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      no they are as good and thats the problem there are better weapons but SMGs are easiest to use specially with silencer and laser or rapid and laser. so most people will naturally use the easiest weapons to use even though they are not good.

    • Ch1chaa Novice 110 posts since
      Dec 26, 2012
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      That all depends on what your definition of skill is

      • darkkilla Newbie 11 posts since
        Dec 26, 2012
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        SMGs take no skill to be good with notice i said good not great. M8 and FAL take skill to be good with but in the correct hands the m8 and the FAL will rock a room.

        • Krust13 Novice 244 posts since
          Nov 16, 2012
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          Just because a weapon is easy to use doesn't mean it's a good weapon. I play FFA and almost everyone in the lobbies run SMGs and I can beat them with any Naked assault rifle. Going for Gold challenges with the assault rifles 150 kills no perks or attachments and you learn how to use them properly.

           

          It's not a matter of if the gun is better or not it's are you using it properly and how it was inteded to beat out the other weapons.

    • redx165 Master 2,287 posts since
      Sep 8, 2011
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      Only good AR in this game are followed:

       

      AN94

      M8A1

      FAL

       

      I would put the Scar-H on this list but it isn't that good for long range which AR need to be. Scar-H does great at mid-range. But for what, SMG's are great at close and mid range. So even if you use the Scar-H you already putting yourself at a disadvantage.

       

      ~THE NOOB KILLER

      • ll_Ya_U_Mad_ll Calculating status... 4 posts since
        Dec 11, 2012
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        The SCAR has the highest sustainable damage at range of any of the AR's or SMG's--it is one of the best long range guns in the game (snipers aside).

      • deamonomic Expert 1,558 posts since
        Aug 24, 2011
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        All of the ARs are good... except for the SMR and fal... I feel like the game is locking ym controller when i try to use those (the gun fires one bullet then freezes regardless of how much i pull the dam trigger causing me to not fire 2-3 bullets and result in me death

    • deamonomic Expert 1,558 posts since
      Aug 24, 2011
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      Ive said it once and I will say it again. The CoD community is full of players who pay far too much attention to what their enemy is doing/using and not nearly enough on what they are using/should be doing. 

       

      adapt or die.

  • BACONndEGGS Novice 211 posts since
    Dec 3, 2012
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    Its not hard to tear smg users apart with the fal,m8a1,

    Smr, your probably terrible with semi autos tho also the dsr 50 is even a 1 shot kill to the toe so easy to get kills with it as long you know how to aim

  • LethalGnar Newbie 28 posts since
    Dec 8, 2012
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    It's because Treyarch fail at balancing games.

  • blib79 Novice 155 posts since
    Nov 17, 2012
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    SMGs are garbage in HC.

     

    I'm a 2.6 KD in HC TDM - I only use ARs for a reason.  I see all the fools coming over from core with their lame little SMG setups running around aimlessly - they are easy kills, and funny to watch.  They'll never stop rushing

     

    With that said - SMGs are a little too easy to use - Treyarc seems to love them.

     

    Remember the ridiculous MP-40 from WaW? LoL

    • redx165 Master 2,287 posts since
      Sep 8, 2011
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      Remember Black Ops??

       

      Only two good SMG's

      AK74u & MP5K

       

      Now look at the AR
      Famas

      Aug

      Galil

      Commando

      AK47

      G11

       

      So why did they ruin AR in this game??

       

      ~THE NOOB KILLER

      • blib79 Novice 155 posts since
        Nov 17, 2012
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        Yea, i hear ya.  The AK74u was the MP-40 of black ops.  There was no reason to use any other SMG.

         

        Dude, I miss the commando and AK so much.  The galil was the gun I used until I got the AK - it was definitely bad ass itself though.

         

        ARs kinda sucked for me until the galil though.  I didn't like the famas too much.  I think because it sounded lame - I don't know why that made me not want to use it, but it did.  I stuck with the enfield until I unlocked the famas.

         

        Of course - I had to pro up sleight of hand as fast as possible, which was harder in HC because of that part of the challenge where you had to wound them, reload, then finish em off.

         

        Anyway - I don't think ARs are ruined in this game - I use them exclusively and do pretty well.  M27 is the truth in HC.  I love steady-rockin' the FAL to change it up too.

         

        I have not played a single game of core in this game, so I don't know how they are there.  I just can't play that kiddie version of this game.

  • AZSESINO- Novice 252 posts since
    Nov 13, 2012
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    I now right! This Vahn was the worst could happen to COD, too much time on League and all this "Competitive" = Noob friendly game.

  • FixBlops2 Expert 2,020 posts since
    Dec 6, 2012
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    I use the SMGs as full automatic snipers, its great and people rage quits all the time becuase of this.

  • gallp13 Master 6,469 posts since
    May 28, 2011
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    Ummm FAL?

    • ShaneDog Novice 275 posts since
      Jun 7, 2012
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      SMR actually.

      • blib79 Novice 155 posts since
        Nov 17, 2012
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        It depends..

         

        If you're a HC player .. FAL all the way.

         

        It's more accurate .. SMR is slightly better for damage and range, but only by one.  It's negligible in HC, which makes it inferior to the FAL, which has much better accuracy.

         

        FAL is a one-shot-kill from any and all ranges in HC - pure money.

        • ShaneDog Novice 275 posts since
          Jun 7, 2012
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          I play Core and HC and FAL was 1st gold wep I got. SMR is way better and kills faster as long as you are accurate with your shots.

  • TheSurgeon83 Apprentice 758 posts since
    Jun 22, 2012
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    Here's how I rate the core performance if the ARs

     

    MTAR - decent damage, accurate, no recoil

    SWAT - Accurate, low recoil, unreliable, can take one burst or three.

    Type 25 - Accurate, no recoil, medium damage

    SCAR - High damage, lot of recoil, average accuracy without attachments

    FAL & SMR - Lethal - high damage, very accurate and little recoil

    M8A1 - Same a SWAT, unreliable.

    AN-94 - Tied with SCAR for top spot, high damage, accurate, manageable recoil.

    M27 - Awful. Accurate, no recoil, but you can't kill 2 enemies with one clip.

     

    In hardcore however, they all ****. I've moved to HC now, seeing a lot less SMGs thankfully and when I do I can out manoeuvre them and take them down easily with any AR. Even on hijacked they work well, you just need to know where to go and where to avoid.

     

    Even in core, if you know the maps and use good tactics you can keep SMG users at ARms length (see what I did there?). I love taking down scorpion wielding people tearing around with 2/3 good SMR hits.

    • ShaneDog Novice 275 posts since
      Jun 7, 2012
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      M27 is good in core and can take down multiples. Shoot em in the face!!!

      • TheSurgeon83 Apprentice 758 posts since
        Jun 22, 2012
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        It's really not, everyone I know who's used it agrees with me. It's weak as fu k.

        • ShaneDog Novice 275 posts since
          Jun 7, 2012
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          Ummm if you are accurate you will not have problems taking down multiples. As a matter of fact a dude a couple days ago made a vid of himself using one of my M27 classes in Core and he raped everything with it.

    • redx165 Master 2,287 posts since
      Sep 8, 2011
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      I'm guessing you don't use those weapons that much.

       

      MTAR: This gun was the hardest one to get gold. I did get it gold and want to finish the prestige for it but it was just that bad. But it has no damage too it.

      SWAT: Didn't use it that much but isn't good burst. Never tried it full auto

      Type 25: This guy reminds me of the Famas but lacks the damage that the famas had

      Scar-H: Great gun with damage but isn't well at long range, which doesn't hit the top 3 for me

      FAL: It's one of the best AR in the game

      SMR: Sorta like the FAL but isn't as good

      M8A1: Really good gun. Put select fire on it and you're good to go

      AN94: Best AR in the game. Good at long range, not too much recoil. Reminds me of the AK47

      M27: Sure it has no recoil but it takes way too much to kill someone. ( I don't like the iron sights but that's my opinion ).

       

      This is coming from someone who plays core TDM.

       

      ~THE NOOB KILLER

      • R0CKSTARR Newbie 8 posts since
        Dec 27, 2011
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        SWAT is much better with select fire. Without it it's an inconsistent piece of ****.

      • TheSurgeon83 Apprentice 758 posts since
        Jun 22, 2012
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        I do actually, got 4 of them gold and working in the rest.

         

        You've basically agreed with everything I originally posted about them, your post makes no sense.

  • germansparkleparty Calculating status... 27 posts since
    Aug 11, 2011
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    there is only 2 reasons not to use an sng

    1. for fun

    2. for a chalenge

  • Griefbot Apprentice 878 posts since
    Feb 20, 2012
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    I can see where you are coming from, but I just dont like SMGs that much most of the time.

     

    I like ARs and shotguns.  You can still rush around with an AR, but not be totally defenseless against window dwellers.

  • Apprentice 1,409 posts since
    Nov 30, 2011
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    The obvious reason a person wouldn't use an SMG is because they can't win across the map. Anyone who thinks they can is obviously wrong. Sorry if the game offers more flanking points, but you have to earn your kills now if you want to long range camp.

  • djtn Apprentice 552 posts since
    Sep 24, 2011
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    If you’re in a match that lags or you’re suffering from the so called "lag comp" issue (which btw is most of my games) you quickly learn that in order to win a gun fight you need the fastest shooting weapon possible and position yourself for CQC.  Since the first 4 or 5 bullets don’t register, you have to make the most of the situation and adapt. This is why you see so many SMG’s.

    • Apprentice 1,409 posts since
      Nov 30, 2011
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      Shotguns and pistols work too.

      • djtn Apprentice 552 posts since
        Sep 24, 2011
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        Yea, I've been meaning to load out a shotgun. Which one do you recommend San?

        • Apprentice 1,409 posts since
          Nov 30, 2011
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          Start with the R870, and add a laser to it. Long barrel helps too. Some people also like the KSG. For pistol, try the B23R and add the extented clip. For both weapons, Lightweight really helps.

          • Bielsalmighty Apprentice 727 posts since
            Dec 27, 2012
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            The only caveat to the KSG is that it fires dat slug, not a burst. If the connections are iffy its NOT a good choice. If the connections are good and your aim is on point its insanely good.

             

            As for the other two, they are only really useable in HC tbh. I would go so far as to say the M1216 is pretty good in HC, so long as you keep in mind the rechamber after 4 shots and reload whenever you get the chance if you haven't rechambered. Land all 4 bursts and you'll be surprised at the reach that gun has.

             

            The S12 made me want to eat my controller.

        • ConeheadZero Newbie 48 posts since
          Jan 1, 2013
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          Remington + long pipe is best shotgun

           

           

          ****, now everybody knows this too

  • slayerextreme Newbie 49 posts since
    Oct 1, 2011
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    SMG's?????? who needs them....the B23R pistol can snipe you clear across any map........you can tell what ever "DEV" came up with a weapons abilities was obviously standing outside the back door of Treyarchs office smoking a joint....totally dropped the ball with weapons characteristics....pistol outshooting an assault rifle at long distances is so stupid!!!!

    • Krust13 Novice 244 posts since
      Nov 16, 2012
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      Remember the Raffika? It's the same pistol just a different skin and less ammo.

       

      All they need to do to the pistols is nerf the damage a little bit. Make them do 40 damage instead of 55 cause it's a bit crazy that you can get the first two shots off of a submachine gun and still lose the fight.

      • NickyFruitysMrs87 Newbie 45 posts since
        Nov 22, 2011
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        Remember the Raffika? It's the same pistol just a different skin and less ammo.

        B23R stands for Beretta 2023 Raffica, it's supposed to be a 'futuristic' Raffica.

  • ConeheadZero Newbie 48 posts since
    Jan 1, 2013
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    MTAR + Silencer + FMJ is best assault rifle in game.

     

     

     

    ****. Now everybody knows.....

  • NickyFruitysMrs87 Newbie 45 posts since
    Nov 22, 2011
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    How about people who are playing for challenges and not just kills? Not everyone is a kill wh*re, like me, although i do get annoyed when I go 10-30.

     

    I've done the SMG challenges, all diamond, only need to level them up to max (and for some reason get the Vector to 2nd prestige max), am working on other guns/specials/launchers/etc at the moment.

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