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so you want them to lose gun fights??  this whole game is CQC so of course smgs are going to be a good weapon to use...

to the OP you cant use kill cams to justify your issue.

JD_2020 wrote:

First and foremost, I can assure you there is nothing wrong or unusual with the hit detection in Black Ops. The reason it is being brought into question with greater frequency than in previous COD titles is because we have new features that encourage and enable further scrutiny than ever before (namely, Theater).

I saw a YouTube video where a player loaded a Wager Match in Theater Mode slowed down time, and showed his bullet traveling straight through his opponent's chest in One in the Chamber. Yet his opponent did not die, and winds up getting the kill instead. As you know, One in the Chamber is a One-Shot-Kill game mode, so the natural conclusion is that there is a bug with hit detection. In reality, it's the visual replay that is misleading you.

The explanation lies within networking, and physics. The fact is, your Ping (latency between you and the Host) will affect what you think you see happening, and what actually happens in a match. Because Theater films are based on the Host's recordings of events, the visual disparity between what you see happening in the game from your perspective may differ from another player's (or more importantly, the Host's). This can result in occasions, like my example above, where misleading visual replays occur. Now, thanks to Theater, so many more people can go back, scrutinize, and upload their cases to YouTube and flood social media with questions. Whereas in past games, the debate stopped at shouting "GAH, stupid lag!" over the mic.

Killcam works a little differently, but the same principles apply. Some people notice that a guy was *way* outside of Knife range, but still got the knife kill. This leads to another perception that there is problem with Knife hit detection. This can be especially visible in Game Winning Killcams that end with a knife, often times it looks like the knife comes nowhere near the guy, but it still gets the kill. Because especially when a player is already on the outer-boundaries of knife range, that extra half-step of disparity can really stick out like a sore thumb.

The Bottom Line: You shouldn't use Killcam or Theater mode as justification for your kills / deaths. They are designed to be fun replay features for the game, not forensic science lab tools to make your case on YouTube and social media.

tbh they need a speed and damage nerf not some stupid hipfire nerf that doesn't do ****, but stop cross map hip firing.

that or close down multiplayer till they can rework every map to where it doesn't suck so badly

OIL agree with you I don't see any kind of nerfing done to the smg or shotgun no recoil at all on the smg looks like the ARs got the **** end of recoil and bullet damage as  of now ARs suck major donkey balls welcome to sub ops 2 smh at this game is all I can do farcry3 keeps looking even better

No gun in any class should be nerfed to the point of never winning gun fights.  Even before the patch, countering SMGs could easily be accomplished with map knowledge and situational awareness.  That guy spraying with the SMG doesn't fair so well when you engage them from a decent range with an AR.  But the key there is to not get caught 6 feet away from the guy with the SMG.  SMGs should destroy you up close if using anything other than a shotgun.  No one likes to hear this, but it is the answer to your problems with SMGs, get better and adapt.

I think the hipfire nerf was good thing to do.

Mybe they should just remove all the weapons you don't like, and we

could all use what you want us to use.

Would that make it easier for you?

Strange I see a lot of ar's winning fights against smg players. I see snipers winning fights, I see lmgs winning fights, I see sg winning fights. So no the smg's are not still OP. Just you do not play smart enough to your weapons strengths it seems.