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opdrams19 Apprentice 314 posts since
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What probation could lead to...

Posted by opdrams19 on Dec 8, 2012 11:06 PM

Has anyone thought of the possibility that players will not want a probationary period?  So instead of leaving games, they just stop?  I mean stop playing...set down their controller and wait the game out.  Then the other team kills them...multiple times...which builds up artificially earned kill streaks, and makes the game even worse.

 

I think I would rather have players unhappy with the lobby they are in just leave.

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  • Henline Novice 114 posts since
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    Henline     Dec 8, 2012 11:09 PM (in response to opdrams19)

    You can get kicked for inactivity. Most of the people who dashboard (which is the biggest cause of probation) do so because they want to preserve their stats no matter the cost, they won't stay in the game regardless.

    • randomhero204 Apprentice 610 posts since
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      randomhero204     Dec 8, 2012 11:16 PM (in response to Henline)

      If you pick a class ou kent get liked for inactivity.

       

       

      They should only implement the probation for people who quit out if league play games. Why? Because there is no join in progress in that mode.

       

      If I am playing "core" I shouldn't be penalized for backing out because somebody else will just take my place and the team won't suffer.

       

      If they are that hardcore about it they should have a "social" playlist where you won't get banned if for some reason you need to quit or back out.

       

      And a "competitive" playlist where thy penalize you for quiting etc.

       

      And league..well it can stay the same with no jip.

       

       

      Bottom line this isn't right and is not working.

      • Rednecksniper39 Master 5,701 posts since
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        Rednecksniper39     Dec 8, 2012 11:19 PM (in response to randomhero204)

        randomhero204 wrote:

         

         

        If I am playing "core" I shouldn't be penalized for backing out because somebody else will just take my place and the team won't suffer.

         

        How many people get mad if they join a game in session and get put on the losing team? Almost everyone. Some will even back out if that happens. Treyarch is trying to prevent raging quitter because it hurts the team no matter if someone fills your spot or not.

        • randomhero204 Apprentice 610 posts since
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          randomhero204     Dec 8, 2012 11:22 PM (in response to Rednecksniper39)

          I don't back out of games..rarely do I have to.

           

          But if someone quits out at the beginning and somebody else joins at the beginning where's the harm and foul?

          • Rednecksniper39 Master 5,701 posts since
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            Rednecksniper39     Dec 8, 2012 11:25 PM (in response to randomhero204)

            No real harm. But if someone is consistently backing out of multiple games then how are they helping their team? That and dashboarding is what probation is meant to discourage.

          • Henline Novice 114 posts since
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            Henline     Dec 8, 2012 11:31 PM (in response to randomhero204)

            Being down a player until it finally finds a replacement? Having more than one person with that attitude and starting the game 2-4 players short? Punishing people who leave consistently will either help deter that garbage or cause them to leave the game, either way it helps the people who actually play the game properly.

             

            Btw, I don't have a problem with people who occasionally leave games because I do it also. I've left countless games, but I've never been on probation because I don't do it frequently enough (I actually play in a game for a few minutes before I leave). If you get put on probation you deserve it, except when punished for a host dashboarding (hopefully they fix that).

      • ROXSTARUK Newbie 94 posts since
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        ROXSTARUK     Dec 10, 2012 6:18 AM (in response to randomhero204)

        randomhero204 wrote:

         

        They should only implement the probation for people who quit out if league play games. Why? Because there is no join in progress in that mode.

         

        This is similar to what I've been saying, sure have it in a league where stats would really matter, then address any problems there with the community that use it... let everyone else who just simply wants to play shooty-shooty with their friends on the xbox (a privilege we pay about £40 a year for) to get on with it however they like.. I don't know about the majority of you on here but I bet I'm not alone, I work a long day and only have a couple hours in an evening to play, if half of that ends up being lost due to sitting about on an unfairly given probation then I'll just end up playing something less anal.

  • randomhero204 Apprentice 610 posts since
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    randomhero204     Dec 8, 2012 11:24 PM (in response to opdrams19)

    What they should be doing is tightening the time as to what an acceptable cut off time is for people joining a late game.. Like say for example if there is 2 mins left .. Don't put someone in that game.. ?

  • Foxhound-Pro GlobalModerator 2,881 posts since
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    Foxhound-Pro     Dec 9, 2012 12:44 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    It's understandable that the issue or at least perceived issue that has been ocurring is definitely a pain point. It sucks. I've waited out a probation for something that I have not done.

     

    However, anything that can stop someone from being a toxic presence, be it direct or indirect, is a definite plus in my book. People need to realize that these kinds of restrictions and barriers are going to be more frequent. Games are quickly becoming competitive. Not just Call of Duty, but others too.

    • opdrams19 Apprentice 314 posts since
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      opdrams19     Dec 9, 2012 12:50 AM (in response to Foxhound-Pro)

      So, you are admitting the game is not working properly?

       

      I don't see how you can make the statement that you have waited out a probation for something you did not do and expect the community not to come to the same conclusion I just did.

      • starbuckfrack Master 11,066 posts since
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        starbuckfrack     Dec 9, 2012 1:21 AM (in response to opdrams19)

        opdrams19 wrote:

         

        So, you are admitting the game is not working properly?

         

        I don't see how you can make the statement that you have waited out a probation for something you did not do and expect the community not to come to the same conclusion I just did.

        So what ? The probation software is in its infancy. The kinks will be worked out.

         

        It only lasts a minute. You cant find something else to do for a minute ?

         

        My Xbox Live was down for a half hour . Did I go on the website complaining ? Or did I find something else to do ?

         

        I am sure that Treyarch copied this idea from Bungie seeing how well their fanbase liked it. You might want to get used to it because I am sure more games will come out with this.

        • opdrams19 Apprentice 314 posts since
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          opdrams19     Dec 9, 2012 11:07 PM (in response to starbuckfrack)

          I'm sure I could find something else to do for a minute, but why should I have to?  Probation affected everyone in my party as well, as they had to sit out and wait until the probation I got for quitting a game to rejoin them in the lobby was over.

           

          Or, I could take every spare minute and get my post count up to over 8000.  You took the time to get on the website and complain about my opinion and experiences with this game, and you have done it multiple times before, and not just to me. 

           

          At least it is Foxhound's job to stick up for the game.

          • Rednecksniper39 Master 5,701 posts since
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            Rednecksniper39     Dec 9, 2012 11:09 PM (in response to opdrams19)

            opdrams19 wrote:

             

            At least it is Foxhound's job to stick up for the game.

            Actually it isn't. His job is to monitor the forums. And trying to insult someone because of their post count? That is pretty sad.

            • opdrams19 Apprentice 314 posts since
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              opdrams19     Dec 9, 2012 11:19 PM (in response to Rednecksniper39)

              Says the guy with over 3800 posts.  I get it, some people will not badmouth the game.  I am tired of the problems, and from the look of the forum, I am not the only one.  If my posts make you sad, don't respond to them.

               

              The response in this thread is the closest thing I have seen to an acknowledgement from an "official" of the problems with the game that I have seen.  I was actually surprised it had not been removed and the thread locked.

              • Rednecksniper39 Master 5,701 posts since
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                Rednecksniper39     Dec 9, 2012 11:17 PM (in response to opdrams19)

                opdrams19 wrote:

                 

                Says the guy with over 3800 posts. 

                Again trying to insult someone based on post count is sad. However if you look at some things I have commented on it is no secret that I do not own the game because I do not like it.

              • Foxhound-Pro GlobalModerator 2,881 posts since
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                Foxhound-Pro     Dec 10, 2012 12:08 AM (in response to opdrams19)

                opdrams19 wrote:

                 

                Says the guy with over 3800 posts.  I get it, some people will not badmouth the game.  I am tired of the problems, and from the look of the forum, I am not the only one.  If my posts make you sad, don't respond to them.

                 

                The response in this thread is the closest thing I have seen to an acknowledgement from an "official" of the problems with the game that I have seen.  I was actually surprised it had not been removed and the thread locked.

                No need to make an issue of someone's post count. That's like going to a different county's local bar and then giving everyone crap for wearing a shirt for the place. It's simply bad form.

      • Foxhound-Pro GlobalModerator 2,881 posts since
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        Foxhound-Pro     Dec 10, 2012 12:03 AM (in response to opdrams19)

        opdrams19 wrote:

         

        So, you are admitting the game is not working properly?

         

        I don't see how you can make the statement that you have waited out a probation for something you did not do and expect the community not to come to the same conclusion I just did.

        Technically speaking, yes. Though I technically did not deny that something was happening either. Seems like a rather moot point that you're trying to make. I guess my wording threw you off. I'll be 100% honest. That post came at the end of a long day and it was poorly written.

         

        The guts of it though are that yesterday the situation was still developing. So rather than jumping the gun and making a definitive statement, I left it open. If you were to ask me right now if I felt that the whole probation system was not working properly, then yes I would definitely say "yes." I would also agree that the current issues being experienced are a pain point. I still however support the idea of probation for quitters. It needs to happen in my opinion.

         

        Regardless of my opinion, we'll have to wait for Treyarch to address the situation. Here's hoping they shed some light on it soon.

         

        Editd for clarity.

        • ghorman Expert 1,004 posts since
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          ghorman     Dec 10, 2012 4:42 AM (in response to Foxhound-Pro)

          Why doesn't the probation begin as soon as I drop out of the game?  Why does it wait until you click on find lobby?  My friend was the host and his router crashed so we waited for him to reboot everything then i still after 5 minutes had to wait the one minute probation.

    • highlandsparky Novice 269 posts since
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      highlandsparky     Dec 9, 2012 11:45 PM (in response to Foxhound-Pro)

      Foxhound-Pro wrote:

       

      However, anything that can stop someone from being a toxic presence, be it direct or indirect, is a definite plus in my book. People need to realize that these kinds of restrictions and barriers are going to be more frequent. Games are quickly becoming competitive. Not just Call of Duty, but others too.

      This^^^^^

       

      I've said on a previous post that I'm yet to receive a probation....And if that day comes I'll quite happily sit it out...It's hardly an extreme punishment.

      • squishypitbull Calculating status... 2 posts since
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        squishypitbull     Dec 10, 2012 5:21 AM (in response to highlandsparky)

        you obviosly dont get it there guy ....people are getting probation for OTHER peoples doings...personally if i get dropped ina lobby where its full of quick scopers i should be able to leave...if thers a few in another lobby that are using modder controllers...i should be able to leave, if theres another lobby with a guy glitching ishould be able to leave and not have to sit ina crappy lobby... iget the probation thing because if your getting owned and then try to wuit when u realize u cant win then cool but a sof now it needs to get removed until they fix it....

  • COD_WIDOW Apprentice 766 posts since
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    COD_WIDOW     Dec 9, 2012 12:55 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    Bottom line is Probation is punishing innocent players because of Host Dashboards, Games Crashing, Host Migrates, etcetera.

     

    I was Probationed twice yesterday because I left 1 game early where everyone was red dotting, and there were several Migrates.

    • Arppis Novice 249 posts since
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      Arppis     Dec 9, 2012 1:59 AM (in response to COD_WIDOW)

      This is true.

       

      It needs a fix for sure. But I'm sure they will do it at some point... Good thing I got other games like Mass Effect 3 if things get too annoying. That game has it's problems, but it's not the connection and such.

  • starbuckfrack Master 11,066 posts since
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    starbuckfrack     Dec 9, 2012 1:15 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    opdrams19 wrote:

     

    Has anyone thought of the possibility that players will not want a probationary period?  So instead of leaving games, they just stop?  I mean stop playing...set down their controller and wait the game out.  Then the other team kills them...multiple times...which builds up artificially earned kill streaks, and makes the game even worse.

     

    I think I would rather have players unhappy with the lobby they are in just leave.

    And instead of banning them fr a minute they get banned permanently. good idea.

  • 89e6431e945b5323e30c4f0eef26e064 Newbie 45 posts since
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    89e6431e945b5323e30c4f0eef26e064     Dec 10, 2012 2:36 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    for me i only back out of games where im getting lag-comped or whatever we're calling it today. im not staying in games to be fodder for people with an unfair advantage. im more than happy to get a probation for that. perhaps there's an exceptional amount of players binning games this year due to the instakill/6targetmarkers=no death situation. you know Treyarch, maybe you could fix that instead? Or activision could spend a tiny amount of its massive profits on dedicated servers?

    • CLureCO Novice 335 posts since
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      CLureCO     Dec 10, 2012 7:03 AM (in response to 89e6431e945b5323e30c4f0eef26e064)

      Yup, I'll take probation any day. I'm not gonna stay in a game when I can't buy a kill, even after 5 or 6 hit markers, only to be killed with two shots in the air by the other team player. The head glitching, lag comp, and to be quite honest, hacking and cheating I run across daily will make me quit a game and I don't care. I'll take a beating if its fair, but I will not be a target dummy for some scrub when the only reason they're even competing on my level is because of the handicaps this mp obviously gives them. Probation, bring it on, I could care less.

  • game4fun Novice 80 posts since
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    game4fun     Dec 10, 2012 3:15 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    I just got my first probation today and then another one right after. I played a match of groundwar and the game reached the score limit, so it went back to the lobby and while waiting for the next match to start the lobby closed for some reason and when I tried to go back into another lobby I got a 60 second probation. Well I then decided to go play TDM and halfway though the match the host dashboarded and guess what another probation.

    I'm fine with the probation system being in game, but I don't think people should be punished for lobby's closing or if the host dashboards. I shouldn't have to be punished for something I can't control.

  • shadow7056 Novice 139 posts since
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    shadow7056     Dec 10, 2012 3:23 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    i usualy spectate when i am put into an in progress game and decide wether to quit or join. i have not gotten probation for public matches by doing this.

  • RaiderNationRox Newbie 8 posts since
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    RaiderNationRox     Dec 10, 2012 4:35 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    The last thing the chronic dashboarder will do is put down the controller....Must preserve stats......it's all about ME.

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    ssslimejob620     Dec 10, 2012 4:58 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    I have ran into to soo many problems with this Probabtion period bull-ish. For real, I understand they are trying to prevent rage quitting, but face it, people get pissed off at campers, other players, etc.. What really pisses me off, is when I simply lose connection to the host and I get put on probabtion, or when I enter a lobby that hasn't even started yet and get probation, because I have to leave to tend to my kid. I mean where the hell is the sense in that?? The game hadn't even started yet, and I am getting a probation period. I could go on for days with the problems I experience in these games, why can't they just make a proper game with no problems? I dont know, and neither does anyone else, but seriously; stop feeding us with all these stupid rules and regulations. We pay 60+ for a good game, even more if we buy in to your stupid season passes. Stop spending all the money on dumb ass commercials and start progressing your games better.Probation is for criminals and juveniles, NOT GAMERS!

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    miketd     Dec 10, 2012 7:18 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    This may have already been said, but getting put on probation for others leaving the game has led me to start quitting every game that 1) lags, put in the middle of a drubbing, bad teamates, lousy map... basically every time i feel like leaving(probably a lot). If they can't fix probation, much less this game, why should I care?

     

    Played about an hour this morning and besides the probation, hit detection was awful. This game should be called COD: Shoot First;Die First.

     

    Activision and Treyarch have a problem... 125k players online for a new game with this amount of hype is not good and is indicative of a bad game.

  • D3adlyg0d Novice 114 posts since
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    D3adlyg0d     Dec 10, 2012 7:22 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    What our group has been doing is to stay inactive.  We haven't gotten any probation from getting kicked for inactivity.  We also do this when we join a game that is 150 to 0 and the other team has 99999 scorestreaks in the air.  We just stay in the screen without respawning and waiting the game out.  I guess we found the creative way to put up with getting place in shitty games.

  • ScorpionBoiy Newbie 83 posts since
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    ScorpionBoiy     Dec 10, 2012 7:26 AM (in response to maccabi)

    agreed, way to many threads about the same thing....is getting to be a cluster **** around here.

  • maccabi Master 11,782 posts since
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    maccabi     Dec 10, 2012 9:03 AM (in response to opdrams19)

    First off since the tu I have had numerous time outs for probation and i'll be honest bitched about it a few times on twitter in a sarcastic manner.

     

    whatever the issue is i'm pretty sure 3arc are aware of it (and please everyone remember this started happening over the weekend) so we cant reasonably expect insta fixes or hotfixes for it.

     

    From playing hc sat and sun..

    Getting booted for 3 tks places you in probation.

    Leaving  a game lobby before the game starts puts me in probation if the timer is has reached game starting..

    leaving a lobby as i didnt like the map put me in probation

    logging in to the game i get a probation.

    finishing  a game fully, getting back into the lobby and leaving to change a class put me in probation

    failed host migration puts me in probation

    not suitable hosts found and booted to main menu put me in probation

    being booted to main menu during search puts me in probation

     

    yet wierdly...

    getting put into a session on a loosing team that had vtols and dogs against them and leaving didnt put me into probration..

     

     

     

    there's obviously an issue, and one im sure will be addressed promptly , my original stance on a penalty system and one ive mentioned numerous times over the years on the forums when the idea has been bought up still stands though i dont like it at all.No system designed to give a penalty is perfect as theres too many variables unless you are very selective about what constitues a deserving penalty.

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