Sep 9, 2012 6:37 AM
Stop complaining about spawnkilling. The forums are filled with it.
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Spawnkilling shouldn't get anyone banned because it's not a glitch, it's not a hack, and it's not illegal. Spawnkilling and Spawntrapping are basically the same thing and don't even try to agrue with me in this forum about why it's not because I know it is. They still aren't able to get out of their spawn and still lose the game. Okay say if i'm Spawntrapping and I get a moab. The people on the other team can't and didn't kill me right? Right. Okay so now since they can't even touch me lets go alittle closer and get into their spawn and save time by Spawnkilling. What's the difference here? What, maybe 5 seconds of them having a life. They are dying either way. If you're complaining about being in the spawntrap or being spawnkilled just quit out the game. Sitting there just stressing yourself over dying isn't going to stop it. If you have a problem with spawnkilling just learn how to stay out of it! It's completely YOUR FAULT that you're in it.
Like for example, I'm in a HC CTF clan. We do both spawnkilling and spawntrapping. Most of the time I'm playing it by myself and they do that crap to me. Sure, it's really annoying if they get you in it but half of the time I'm messing it up by staying out of it and causing them to break it up and come find me. It takes skill to get you in a spawnkilling situation. If your skill isn't good enough to kill that person so that you can stay out of it just hit Start, Go up once, Hit A, Go up once again, and quit out. IW isn't going to switch up their spawns anymore because you don't have enough skill to stay out of something so simple to prevent. Don't blame the person that's spawnkilling you either. It's mostly IW fault. No offense to them but EVERY map only have 5 spawns. (Their ONLY map that has sort of good spawns is Oasis.) There are 6 people on each team. The maps are so simple that they only have certain places that people can spawn in. If they had more spawns than people and more complex maps this would be eliminated. So when MW4 is in development make slightly bigger maps with more spawn points. PS, no offense to the COD IW brand but take notes from Battlefield. They know how to build good maps.
You are the type of person that is wrong with this community of course it's cheating and that why when ppl are caught doing it they are banned . You choose to exploited the spawn system !
How is it cheating when you got yourself into it? That's like saying you committed suicide because the gun was sitting there.
Because sitting in one spot ADS waiting for someone to spawn and killing them before they have a chance to kill you is unfair gameplay. If has been called cheating by devs. You can not get yourself in or out of spawn killing. Spawn trapping however is a different story.
no, you committed suicide because other people influenced you to do that.....your arguments are invalid. The "other people" in my previous sentence are the group of no lifes who play the game worrying about what other strangers think of your own k/d. Admit it that that is the ONLY reason why people spawntrap; to boost their k/d. Yes it is cheating because k/d is meant to only measure YOUR average skill, not your TEAM'S skill. Iv spawntrapped once in a game and honestly I thought it was sooooo boring that I left a perfectly good 6 man team because of how lame it was. And why would we quit an enemy spawntrapping game if we came not to be limited on what we do, but to have 100% freedom on how we solely play the game? Yeah we could sit back for 5 mins and wait for the spawntrapping team to break up, but that is not why we bought the game.
Spawntrapping is cheating. And do not tell IW or Activion what to do. They make the game, they create small maps for a reason, and they say spawntrapping is cheating, so dont do it. Shut up, It's not yours to change.
(p.s. I actually have fun in games where the other team is spawntrapping or even spawnkilling. I figure out ways to kill someone and piss them off. I don't care if i go -40, as long as I having fun and learning, then fuçk k/d. I love challenges (unlike you) because then you become a whole lot better at the game. People who play without major help from their teammates are better at the game then people who do.)
kingtabaclispe wrote:
How is it cheating when you got yourself into it? That's like saying you committed suicide because the gun was sitting there.
Okay, picture this. You work in a small shop alone and you leave the store unattended for a while. Someone comes in and sees nobody is there and shoplifts. You come back and find stuff stolen. Fair play? I mean, the shoplifter is just taking advantage of your stupidity after all.
I actually tend to agree with the op, it's your fault your trapped not the person trapping you. With that being said, I'm not a trapper or a killer nor have I ever been, but if for whatever reason your trapped can't you get out of it? and if you can't how about rage quit?
I have a feeling these rash of spawn killing threads has to do with beginner clans getting their *** handed to them and now it's IW's fault...This is only my opinion and the way I look at the game.
I mean I'm not even that great of a player and I never get trapped, so it makes me wonder is all I'm sayin.
I disagree with the OP, For a team of 6 players that communicate well it is far to easy and requires little to no skill to set this up against a team of random's (spawn killing).
Considering a majority of teams put up against a good team of 6 are random's this tactic is a form of boosting.
If you and your team have skill this is a lame tactic (spawn killing).
Now to your definition of spawn trapping and spawn killing being the same thing. One gives the spawner NO chance at all hence it being bannable. The other allows a good player a chance to break out of the trap and that is the difference.
You didn't read the sentence under that. WE DO BOTH and I provided a example. Either way they are stuck in their spawn. I've spawnkilled and spawntrapped with just 3 people. It doesn't even matter about the 6. But RANDOMS are complaining in this forum. You don't see a clan in here complaining?
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I've never really thought that trapping/killing should be considered cheating, It's definitley a scumbag move for those scrubs that do it in objective to get a MOAB, but they also avoided the objective to camp to get their MOAB so I don't see a huge difference imo
It's because all the little scrubs/boosters are finding it harder to get away with boosting so they think setting up spawn killing matches they are going to get away with it . A lot of ppl don't even know it's cheating or bannable so don't report it . So the cheats get away with it for longer because ppl aren't reporting it .
See I agree the ones that are bad should be banned but I had a 3.00K/D before I learned about spawnkilling/trapping. I do it if you let me put you in it.
smokesdope wrote:
It's because all the little scrubs/boosters are finding it harder to get away with boosting so they think setting up spawn killing matches they are going to get away with it . A lot of ppl don't even know it's cheating or bannable so don't report it . So the cheats get away with it for longer because ppl aren't reporting it .
I see it worse than boosting personally though I've never been spawn killed before. It's like boosting but with Gen Minus added trolling measures. I mean, someone who boosted the negative tokens to get infinite double weapon XP I can still kill, and take their weapon if it's good, but there's no chance in a spawn killing scene. Anyone found being spawn killed should just dashboard. If I'm in a party of five and they spawn kill, if I suspect I'm host, I'd be tempted to dashboard myself just to detroy their fun.
I mean what if you're playing DOM? I've spawnkilled in that before.
This guy thinks that spawn trapping and spawn killing are the same thing? This community has fallen so far.
It is causing some confusion I believe.
I've explained the difference in at least 5 or 6 other threads, and have seen others do so as well. I'm not going to bother explaining anymore if people don't pay attention.
If the OP can not see the difference then he is kinda lost. Spawnkilling = bannable. Spawntrapping = legit tactic.
Most of the community get confused about what spawn trapping is and what spawn killing is . The difference is :
Spawn trapping - a game of say Dom you take two flags say A & B so that they will spawn at C a smart team will not push into the C flag as this will flip the spawns . So they will basically camp a distance away from the C flag and let the enemy come to them and you have the advantage of knowing exactly where the are coming from . This is a basic spawn trap and is a LEGIT form of play as the enemy has a good chance of breaking the trap .
Spawn Killing - in say a Dom game is where one team is PURPOSELY trying to get the enemy to spawn right in front of them so that the can INSTANTLY kill them as soon as they spawn . It's done by blocking spawn points with equipment and having team mates in certain positions . This is almost impossible to break for the enemy team and is considered cheating and the team doing the spawn killing a couple of players will get crazy scores like 200 kills -1 .This is why it's considered cheating .
Thanks for the clarity smoke, I guess I was a little confused on the definition between the two..
In that case, I have never been spawnkilled nor have I seen anyone do it and I honestly don't understand how it could happen to a team of six, unless your total total beginners is my assumption.
Depending on the map, it's not hard to spawn kill a team of 6 if you have a good team of 6 as well. I've done it twice in Ground War Dom on Terminal, against a full team once. It's not as hard as you think, especially since Terminal has 3 spots(left, right, and middle) that you can spawn kill from, although you can't see the people spawning if you're using the middle and left route. I've never actually seen a spawn kill setup where you put equipment down to block spawns, but you don't need equipment at all to do it on Terminal.
That's another reason why Terminal kinda sucks, since you don't even have to try hard to get a spawn kill setup. you can just play Dom on Terminal with the standard spawn trap, and the enemies will only spawn in the A shop if you take B and C.
Not really a great team could be spawn killed it may take a little longer to get them in it but it wouldn't be hard hence why it's cheating .
spawn killing isn't hacking, it is a form of cheating but it really is called exploiting. Something that IW didn't think about that people now use as a way of getting free kills (similar to glitches) and that's exploiting which can get you banned, deranked, etc. People moan about it because we ask IW politely and aggressively (if pushed to that state) to fix the problem because if its some minor glitch they block it straight away but something like this thats bad as a glitch should be fixed aswell.
The only way to fix spawn killing is to add a system that spawns you somewhere else if you get killed in one spot more than once within a 5 second time frame, but IW doesn't like ideas that make sense.
Precisely!
i'll stop complaining when the issue gets fixed. until then, I'll play other games that actually have dedicated developers who will continue to improve on adnd support the games they release.
wtf??? i just read all these posts and i just cant believe there are people supporting spawnkilling/trapping. this is exactly what is wrong with the game.
kingtabaclipse what language are you speaking now because it appears to be boll**ks, saying that you dont hear of clans complaining about spawnkilling??? thats because its the clans that are doing it. also saying that its your fault your in the trap is just insane, it requires no skill to set a trap up just good postioning of players in a clan, blocking all the spawn points but one, the trap.
traps are virtually impossible to get out of, and im not an amazing player but im certainly not rubbish either, if it was your fault that your in one then shouldnt you have a chance to get out of one and correct your mistake? thats where fairness comes into it, its just not and its cheating. most of the time you respawn and you dont even have time to hipfire your gun let alone aim it because of delay and the fact that theres some skilless w**ker just sat there ready to put bullets in to you.
most of the time even if you get a shot or couple of shots on the person trapping u and manage to kill them they have a tacticle insertion somewhere nearby ready to start all over again, this is where the team come in to make sure you dont get out of it.
another reason for why it isnt your fault is your playing against a clan who know exactly what they have to do to get you into a trap but you (if your unfortunate enough to be on the opposing side) are playing with 5 other complete randoms who are most likely playing on there own not in a party and only playing for themselves so have no real plan apart from kill whoever they see, you cant control these people so alot depends on what they do and where they go during the game, im not saying its these peoples fault alot just depends on there movements too.
Bottom line is any kind of trapping with intent to manipulate the game play for any other reason than what it was designed to do is cheating. I mean are these players who actually do this that bad at the game?? because i can see no other reason for it, are moving targets to hard to hit?? i mean its called modern warfare people, strap on a pair and battle for your kills dont let games weaknesses gift them to you thats just skilless and boring.
yes there are times when the game itself is at fault and you spawn right next to an enemy but this you just have to accept as a game flaw and i think the makers will eventually sort it out, they just dont know how to yet. anyways rant over.
also one other thing why should someone who keeps getting spawn trapped have to quit the game and give up there match bonus?? thats just cr*p and wrong, theyve just been pulverised got negative deaths against kills which affects there stats, kd etc let alone been humiliated and they have to give up anything positive they might get out of the game, bloody joke and the fools who support this notion need to have a serious think about the way they play cod.
Message was edited by: mrtee83
You are talking about spawn killing not spawn trapping. There is a MAJOR difference.
the people who do it are normally middle schoolers, who want to brag at school about their KD.. I have come accross countless Spawn KILLING traps, and I can say 95 percent of them I had gotten out of..
They in fact take no skill, if you do it, you totally void your KD
is it the dev fault its int he game? Yes, but that doesnt mean you shoul duse the flaw as a crutch to boost your kills.
I have been in a party as a random and seen them set up spawn killing traps, what I do is troll my team mate doing it,as he is ads'ing.. getting in front of him etc.
ive also left games where I was in the party as a member because they were so focused on spawn KILLING it was not fun.. and even sometimes we would lose, because they would disregard the objective to try and do it
the idiocy of people on here is laughable, there is no difference in killing/trapping thats just what people who do it say, calling it a legimate tactic is a joke if it was then there would be no purpose for killstreaks, perks etc, everything they give you in the game ie: different choices of guns, perks, killstreak rewards can be countered in someway with the exception of some, thus making it a fair fight, seeing as theres no counter for trapping/killing it isnt a tactic its manipulation of the rules. BIG bottom line is any kind of manipulation is cheating.
idk why people have to have this explained over and over.
SPAWN KILLING is ADS waiting for them to spawn the second they do they are dead because u start shooting.
SPAWN TRAPPING is holding down a location, example being hardhat, force spawning them in C dom so that they can either head A, B, or go through pipe. this way they have a fighting chance. of course the people holding the trap know where they are going to come from, but the people they are killing also know where they are going to be shot at from and have an actual chance to fight back.
mrtee83 wrote:
wtf??? i just read all these posts and i just cant believe there are people supporting spawnkilling/trapping. this is exactly what is wrong with the game.
Below is what spawn killing is. The guy in the YT video spawn killing got reset but not for this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zszpdSEPlPc
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Makes me wonder, why spend all the time and money on a computer game just to do this? Life's too short for this.
Lol that Dbag banned me from his channel yesterday :) but at least I got the top comment on one of his vids !
smokesdope wrote:
Lol that Dbag banned me from his channel yesterday :) but at least I got the top comment on one of his vids !
Fair play! I've never been in a game with him or been on his channel etc. I never understood the enjoyment in exploiting a game like this. I'd rather work hard for a victory than have an easy ride stomping over the opposition. I'd LOL if I saw a video of him being spawn killed though.
^^^ Dude that is NOT spawn trapping.. That is full on Spawn Killing (ie ADS at spawn point)
Yes it appears I have got them confused for some reason. I was showing the behaviour that is bannable. I'll edit it.
I'm not supporting it, I'm just trying to get people to just stop posting about it. If it takes no skill to get a team in it why are people complaining about being caught in one? Are they saying they have no skill? That's what it sounds like.
Stop complaining about the people complaining about spawn killing
YOU DO NOTHING TO FIX THE ISSUE!!
Looks like the OP is mad because he got banned for playing unfair (spawn killing). ![]()
I report EVERY spawn killer i see. It is boosting without your boyfriend, how are you supposed to get out of it if you die right away.
When people stop spawn killing i'll stop complaining. Simple as that. Tired of hearing people complain about spawn killing? Stop being a cheap poser and start playing legit.
Would be nice to see more people being spawn killed to dashboard, so hopefully the spawn killers lose their game in the process.
if i think im host, ill dashboard
Complain all day in fact complain 24/7 untill they fix the spawns like they promised over seven months ago.