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goplaf Calculating status... 7 posts since
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campers/weapons

Posted by goplaf on Jun 30, 2012 10:30 PM

i believe that camping is over. it is. Black Ops 2 is proving that all that you need is an x-ray sniper rifle to even the field of play. some might say that this so called x-ray rifle would be way over powered but if you have seen the newest BO2 gameplay (www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBcsxyktVeM) they(Treyarch) say they balance it out in some way. i'm open to suggestions or new information so please leave a comment or your perception of this ability.

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  • avengedyesterday Master 3,962 posts since
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    avengedyesterday     Jun 30, 2012 10:34 PM (in response to goplaf)

    campers will always be there besides it's suppose to be a killstreak which means you lose it when you die or there will be some sort of time limit on it. I don't know how the penentration will work in MP given there will be different types of weapons. If there is some sort of penetration in it then it most likely will be charges and once you use them it's done.

     

    Either way it will be interesting to see but I don't see it changing things very much.

  • ghamorra Master 8,819 posts since
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    ghamorra     Jul 1, 2012 12:34 AM (in response to goplaf)

    Camping will never be cease to exist, because people will still die and need someone to blame it on. Campers will live indefinitely through the imaginations of those who refuse to accept they were bested

    • Moorningstar Novice 239 posts since
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      Moorningstar     Jul 1, 2012 9:06 AM (in response to ghamorra)

      ghamorra wrote:

       

      Camping will never be cease to exist, because people will still die and need someone to blame it on. Campers will live indefinitely through the imaginations of those who refuse to accept they were bested

      gotta agree, although I have seen legit camping.  Personally I never understood why everyone got so pissed about someone sniping.  Its a recognized tactic in real war so why not in a war simulator?  That being said I can't camp, I just do not have the patience.  I don't have a problem with people doing it though.

      • Arkitek Novice 214 posts since
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        Arkitek     Jul 1, 2012 1:08 PM (in response to Moorningstar)

        Because Call of Duty is not a war simulator in the slightest bit, it's an arcade shooter. A war simulator is something along the lines of Arma 2 or Arma 3. No real-war sniper would run around trying to get a 360 no-scope, and real sniping takes a lot more skill and calculations then just pulling the trigger.

         

        Now, camping starts when a player or players feel the enemy either knows their general position or if the enemy is "running and gunning" and moving too fast for the camper. For most player, the actual tactic of checking your corners doesn't apply in CoD, so you run into a room only to get shot in the back. It's a bad strategy, camping, but you can easily either check your corners when entering a room or die and immediately run back to his position, flash/stun him, and then frag/semtex him for an easy kill.

         

        Or now equip an x-ray scpoe and hardened and start wallbanging the campers

        • goplaf Newbie 7 posts since
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          goplaf     Jul 1, 2012 2:14 PM (in response to Arkitek)

          i believe that camping is, well, a good tactic but how many campers are really legit?(aimbots, x-ray and hacks, oh my!) MW3 is a game with many examples. in one match i was spawn killed 47 times in a row by the same guy who was camping on a balcony (seatown). that match i got no kills. i admit i was frusterated but i am happy to have somesort of counter measure. anyways thanks for your input and hope you guys have more to say on this topic.

          • ghamorra Master 8,819 posts since
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            ghamorra     Jul 1, 2012 8:56 PM (in response to goplaf)

            goplaf wrote:


            in one match i was spawn killed 47 times in a row by the same guy who was camping on a balcony (seatown)

            I would like video proof of this

            • goplaf Newbie 7 posts since
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              goplaf     Jul 2, 2012 9:10 AM (in response to ghamorra)

              sure i will hook up my roxio and try to record the next time someone does it to me. i believe that you are sceptical but try to hang in there.

        • avengedyesterday Master 3,962 posts since
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          avengedyesterday     Jul 1, 2012 11:30 PM (in response to Arkitek)

          Arkitek wrote:

           

          Because Call of Duty is not a war simulator in the slightest bit, it's an arcade shooter. A war simulator is something along the lines of Arma 2 or Arma 3. No real-war sniper would run around trying to get a 360 no-scope, and real sniping takes a lot more skill and calculations then just pulling the trigger.

           

          Now, camping starts when a player or players feel the enemy either knows their general position or if the enemy is "running and gunning" and moving too fast for the camper. For most player, the actual tactic of checking your corners doesn't apply in CoD, so you run into a room only to get shot in the back. It's a bad strategy, camping, but you can easily either check your corners when entering a room or die and immediately run back to his position, flash/stun him, and then frag/semtex him for an easy kill.

           

          Or now equip an x-ray scpoe and hardened and start wallbanging the campers

          Not really. Most camping isn't done by scared noobs. It's done by knowing spawn points and using choke points to gain easy kills. Also someone who normally camps won't sit in the same spot after he kills you. He will expect you to come back and switch positions to catch you off guard again. Either way it's the perfect counter to run and gun which is why all the run and gunners hate it and think it's a noob tactic.

          • ghamorra Master 8,819 posts since
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            ghamorra     Jul 2, 2012 10:21 AM (in response to avengedyesterday)

            "Dude, how about you play the game and stop camping like a little b*tch"

             

            "I did play the game, I went 30-3 with 4 captured objectives, and our team won. You're. 17-25 with 10 captured objective and a loss. I protected my objectives (meaning I didn't have to capture them over and over again) and put up killstreaks to further help my team advance. Sorry for being smarter than you"

             

            ^roughly the conversation I had a few nights ago

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        destroyer_118118     Jul 2, 2012 10:07 AM (in response to Moorningstar)

        Yeah, I can't camp. I play CoD to have fun, and camping is the opposite. Maybe I hate on them when I am killed by them, but I do that however I get killed, because thats the way I am. But I don't hold grudges against them. Its fun though, finding a camper, and trying to manipulate around him to get the kill. Quite fun indeed. This is why my K/D ratio is 0.8.

    • sbarnes81 Apprentice 1,237 posts since
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      sbarnes81     Jul 5, 2012 8:32 PM (in response to ghamorra)

      there is no problem dealing with campers if and try to understand this..............you learn to aim instead of running around like a tool shooting anything that looks green!

      • ghamorra Master 8,819 posts since
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        ghamorra     Jul 5, 2012 9:24 PM (in response to sbarnes81)

        I have no quarrel with campers. I recognize it as a strategy. The only time I have a problem is when the game is nearing it's end and we're losing or if they pick the most random spot and sit on top of a PR waiting to get just one kill

  • ChestSplittah Master 8,963 posts since
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    ChestSplittah     Jul 2, 2012 2:08 AM (in response to goplaf)

    Is this actual gameplay of MP from Black Ops2? If not this thread has no purpose.

    • goplaf Newbie 7 posts since
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      goplaf     Jul 2, 2012 9:15 AM (in response to ChestSplittah)

      no. it is a guy (tmartn) talking about multiplayer with a strike force mission playing in the background and somtimes an interview so if the link doesn't work try typing in "BO2 strikeforce gameplay tmartn" it should the top one.

      • ChestSplittah Master 8,963 posts since
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        ChestSplittah     Jul 2, 2012 12:08 PM (in response to goplaf)

        Thanks. This is my point. If it isn't a MP vid. This thread I'd fail. Like Gen. high said also, they can use the XRay scope from the video of the reveal. Showed it what appeared to be a sniper rifle. So....

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    thebigb59     Jul 2, 2012 4:28 AM (in response to goplaf)

    what's stopping campers from using the xray scope?

     

    your point is moot

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      goplaf     Jul 2, 2012 9:11 AM (in response to thebigb59)

      crap, i just realized that!

      • Aecetym Expert 1,769 posts since
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        Aecetym     Jul 3, 2012 5:42 AM (in response to goplaf)

        Adding that there will (knowing COD) be a perk that will counter the x-ray, so a camper can have that perk, the x-ray and some other camper-perks so he would kinda be unstoppeble.

        • Moorningstar Novice 239 posts since
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          Moorningstar     Jul 5, 2012 8:24 PM (in response to Aecetym)

          didnt they say up top that the x ray was a kill streak, not a perk?

           

           

          Also all these games are war simulators.  Some are definitely more accurate then others ( I personally don't know how you can train yourself to see enemy equipment in red back in 1960).  But the basic concept of running around with a gun on a team attempting to kill the other team is a wargame, ie war simulator.  No simulator can perfectly act like real life (else COD players would be GOD in a real fight).  As it is if I'm ever fighting like this I DON'T want most COD players with me, as they have a tendancy to shoot first identify second.

          Still I don't see how the argument that 'sniping is a war tactic so it belongs in a war game' is incorrect.

          • ChestSplittah Master 8,963 posts since
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            ChestSplittah     Jul 6, 2012 1:48 AM (in response to Moorningstar)

            That's funny. Training yourself to see red.

          • Aecetym Expert 1,769 posts since
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            Aecetym     Jul 6, 2012 5:14 AM (in response to Moorningstar)

            Like the perk system is unrealistic, u can't just train a soldier ur gonna be a runner so u can' t reload quickly or grab some ammo from death guys. The perk and killstreak idea sucks so epic that with them u will never have a good game

            • Moorningstar Novice 239 posts since
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              Moorningstar     Jul 9, 2012 11:14 AM (in response to Aecetym)

              why do you play COD then?  Ghost Recon is good.  Try that, you'll be happier.

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                Aecetym     Jul 10, 2012 4:01 AM (in response to Moorningstar)

                I want zombies, and BF is better

                • Moorningstar Novice 239 posts since
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                  Moorningstar     Jul 10, 2012 6:21 AM (in response to Aecetym)

                  Naw I tried BF, I found it glitchy, didn't like the server setup, or getting banned for having a good game.  Bottom line is BF players aren't near as good as COD players.  But zombies is a lot of fun now that you mention it.

                  • Aecetym Expert 1,769 posts since
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                    Aecetym     Jul 10, 2012 8:35 AM (in response to Moorningstar)

                    Dude u are one hell of a noob, COD better, u got some issues to work out. Ppl that play COD suck at BF cause it takes more skill to play it. It has hit detection that works, practically no campers and if so not for long, human error in vehicules, rang and fair recoil, all guns are fair and useable, teamwork (does not excist in COD) ... U can go on for ever why BF kicks COD's ass.

                     

                    BF tried to make a co-op and yes that sucks, it can't beat COD at the moment in that one but maybe the next game will

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                      Moorningstar     Jul 15, 2012 10:03 AM (in response to Aecetym)

                      Im a noob cause I rolled people a couple times in BF?  Because they're only solution was to kick me from a room for doing too well?  Thats gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard!  BF players are on every level worse.  The only thing that gives them an edge on someone trying the game out is that the lower weapons act like spitwad throwers.  But when it came to tactics they sucked.  When it came to reaction time they sucked.  When it came to dealing with campers, yep you guessed it, they suck!  And as for teamplay, that was almost nonexistent.  You want a good team oriented FPS?  Go play GRFS.

                      My question is, if you like BoyFriend so much why don't you go play it and leave my Cash On Delivery forums alone?

                      • Aecetym Expert 1,769 posts since
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                        Aecetym     Jul 15, 2012 11:59 AM (in response to Moorningstar)

                        The kicking and banning for nothing sucks I'll give u that, but the rest is a real joke. The starters weapons can kill, they are sometimes even easier to use than what u get later on. Like every gun in BF3 u unlock stuff like scopes, silencers, flash supp. etc by killing ppl, and once u get those things will become easier. No teamplay? Joking right, what did u do play like 5 games and left, having the bad luck that everybody was rushing and got shot by a slower advancing enemie that kept every inch of ground it took. The only reason that I'm even on this forum is cause it says PS3 and the last 2 games where a fail, BO had luckily zombies. So cause I want BO2 zombies I hope I'm not paying again for half a game.

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                          Moorningstar     Jul 15, 2012 9:42 PM (in response to Aecetym)

                          Played for three months.  I have a friend who takes BF over COD ANY DAY.  Even he admits that the first weapons are spitwad throwers.  Actually when I told him I was going to try it he warned me to be patient untill I got the better weapons.  The f2000 rocked compared to the first AR.  The pkp pecheng was an animal compared to the US starting LMG.  I can go on but its not just me that says this.  Hardcore BFers agree with me.  And as I believe i pointed out I was getting kicked for doing to well.  Kinda suggests that I didnt rage quit the game.  Hell I rage quit COD a hell of a lot more than BF but COD is far more realistic and it can be enjoyable.  I just get pissed at the lag.

                           

                          Also Its far easier to spawn camp people in BF.

                           

                          Yes I can't wait for Zombies.  Cant wait to see what they've done that will make 'anyone who likes zombies will love what were doing with it' come true.

                           

                          If you want the specific reasons why I don't think bf is realistic

                           

                          1) Aircraft are not parked within range of enemy weapons.  They fly in.  Nor can just any joe shmoe infantry hop into one and start a dogfight.  COD is far more realistic with calling in airstrikes.

                          2)why when I get into the plane do I just have a gun, but if Mike next to me gets in he gets flares, radar, and missiles?  Does the plane just not like me?  And yes I did unlock those things but it was stupid.

                          3)Why cant I load a round with a bolt action while ADS?  Whoever put that in has NEVER held a gun in their lives.  At least not a bolt action.

                          4)why can I speak to squad or team but not just to the people in my vacinity?

                           

                          There were other reasons I know but I have to go to work soon and I can't think of them.  ITs been about 6 months since I played that game.

                           

                          I liked being able to fly aircraft but didnt like how it was implemented.  If you played the maps that had them half of your team would just wait to spawn until a plane was available.  Sometimes the entire game.

                           

                          I think you think BF is about team play because squadmates spawn on you.  This gives the illusion of having people work with you because they are in the area.  In reality no one uses mikes which pretty much kills any chance at coordination.  People dont move together.  They may end up going to the same objective but in reality its just 5 guys running as individuals.  No one clears zones.  No one says 'guy on the left'.  I never heard ANYONE give the position they were holding down to their team.  This is crucial while holding objectives.  I stand by my earlier statement.  If you want to play a team based FPS try GRFS.  If that game had killstreaks and Zombies I'd be done with cod.

  • QwertyBoredom Apprentice 1,033 posts since
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    QwertyBoredom     Jul 6, 2012 9:42 AM (in response to goplaf)

    Easy solution if a camper kills you go back to where they are with recon (or BO2's similar perk) and throw a flash bang into the room.

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    ArarielFett     Jul 6, 2012 5:04 PM (in response to goplaf)

    There will always, always be campers, and every does it, even if they don't have the balls to admit it. Hell, even prestige 15s in BO do it.  In my opinion, if you camp for just a few kills, then move around and actually fight, then it's fine.  But if you camp the entire game, you're a freaking p*ssy.

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      ChestSplittah     Jul 6, 2012 5:51 PM (in response to ArarielFett)

      I look at the camping situation like this. If a person has more than 2 classes with a stealth perk involved, they have a low KD, they camp and suck at it too.

  • robbierocket Master 3,521 posts since
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    robbierocket     Jul 7, 2012 1:20 AM (in response to goplaf)

    Camping is not over because it never existed as a viable whole-match tactic. Stealth, using cover, defending an area, patrolling, tactical placement, etc. are effected, possibly.

     

    Why do people go for glorified and superficial headlines?

     

    I refer to any one of my threads or posts on CAMPFACTOR, I shall not repost.

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      ChestSplittah     Jul 7, 2012 2:07 AM (in response to robbierocket)

      All they know is MLCing and think that is the viable tactic to use. It is also worsened when connected with ADHD. Nasty little abomination there.

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      ghamorra     Jul 8, 2012 12:23 AM (in response to robbierocket)

      R&G glorify thier tactics and present them as the "one and only" way to play. What's even worse is this idea that whatever they see on killcam is all that happened. They don't think about all the seconds before killcam that went into setting up the kill

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        robbierocket     Jul 8, 2012 4:13 AM (in response to ghamorra)

        Well said. And I'm not fuelling the camper vs. R&G because neither tactics are truly viable and people's interpretations of playing styles are fictional.

         

        Seriously, check out my CAMPFACTOR threads.

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        ChestSplittah     Jul 9, 2012 12:59 AM (in response to ghamorra)

        They are about the most annoying folks to date. What's laughable though is they whine about spawns. When they are screwing up spawns and running right into them.

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          ghamorra     Jul 9, 2012 11:24 AM (in response to ChestSplittah)

          ChestSplittah wrote:

           

          They are about the most annoying folks to date. What's laughable though is they whine about spawns. When they are screwing up spawns and running right into them.

           

          I love it. Yesterday on Domination my team got spawntrapped because we capped two flags. While holding B and C the guys on my team rushed A but couldn't take it. The enemy's spawn flipped so we had people behind us, people infront of us and could not cap A. We legit were spawntrapped. Finally the enemy took C and B and we finally too A.

           

          After that incident I realized just how reckless R&G can be if you're not smart about your play

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    SoVexia     Jul 8, 2012 11:01 AM (in response to goplaf)

    Camping won't ever die in my opinion, I have the patience to camp but I just don't like to :/

    • Aecetym Expert 1,769 posts since
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      Aecetym     Jul 9, 2012 6:56 PM (in response to SoVexia)

      Al depents on the enemie team, sometimes u can predict them as clockwork sometimes they spawn everywhere.

       

      Camping is an overused word for everything, even I use it sometime in the wrong way, but the real once are just sad noobs with the lag compansation helping them even more.

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    T-boss     Jul 9, 2012 10:15 PM (in response to goplaf)

    i dont care if u camp when u snipe, other than that i think its a fairly noob tactic.  i mean corner camping or campgin in 1 room. i camp but only to snipe(never in cod) or in some large building with vantige points, or when i almost got a killstreak and dont want to die. i hate teh people who just sit in a corner or move around in a room and camp the whole time.

     

    personly i dont play MW3(i find it one of the worst games i ever tried comparable to the wii's early shooters)

     

    MW2 had big camping problems and overpowered camping classes, that often forced me to pull out my OP noob class, and leave after the game for a normal match without OP noobs.

     

    blackops did okay, still noticed lag problems and OP camping spots.

     

    make plenty of camping capable corners that can serve as spawnpoints so u dont get MW3 spawnign but avoid OP camping corners except those way in the back of the level for care packages.

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    robbierocket     Jul 12, 2012 4:20 PM (in response to goplaf)

    This link to CAMPAFCTOR is old but short-ish...

     

    http://community.callofduty.com/message/104406285#104406285

     

     

     

    This link is marginally older but more detailed...

     

    http://community.callofduty.com/message/103512457#103512457

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      ghamorra     Jul 15, 2012 10:59 PM (in response to robbierocket)

      I agree with everything said here. Camping is done by everyone, and if you have half a brain you know when camping is needed in order to be successful in any game mode.

       

      I love when I get called a camper in S&D after I plant the bomb. What would you like me to do, let you defuse it? Camping is the best way to play in some situations, but needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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