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I could care less if people quick scope.. its just when people are off target and get kills.. or else have a 1+ second advantage on me because of the lag compensation created by the game that i get mad. If the game works how it should, i respect the person, but if the game does not work right, and the guy quick scoping thinks that he is good and that i suck, and the game has nothing to do with how he killed me, then i completely hate him/her for being ignorant.
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I hate qsing ( never hate the person, hate the deed) becuase of the noise. ...... Seriously.
Sniping ....... the type that follows the definition, has always been my favorite style in cod. To me being stealthy is like an art form. It takes a lot of effort to be a good stealthy sniper. Face it ....... killcams and sniping just dont go well together and in hc ffa you get even more than a killcam. But when I snipe its all about not being located. An unsilenced sniper rifle is bad enough when you are limiting your shots and making each one count, to stand in the street banging away with the most distinct sounding weapons in the game is like heresy.
It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, and I just want to go kill the sob. I dont care what I'm doing, I'll leave a really good sniping spot in the middle of a great killstreak just to go try and kill the perpetrator.
Thats why I hate qsing, now I'll tell you why I think its cheap and about as op as anything in the game, and I rarerely let that word slip from my mouth.:
Basically its like playing hardcore mode while everyone else is playing core. The key to hc mode is making that first shot count. Aim assit helps greatly on the first shot, but the slightest recoil from a weapon negates the aim assist from there on out. While every other weapon requires more effort to stay on target after the first shot, a ohk weapon circumvents that need for continous effort.
If you dont agree with what I said, go play some blops. Play hc mode and turn off target assist, play a few games turn it back on, play a few games , turn it off, and keep doing that for a while. You will see what I mean about the first shot being cruciual, and how much difference there is not only in getting the first shot but also about the assist weakenbing with recoil.
I did a lot of qsing in blops. But not with a sniper rifle...... the m16/acog/silencer. In hc mode the m16 is a one burst kill at almost any range, and that was one of my favorite sniping setups. Sniping with any weapon, particularly a sniper rifle is tricky because with the limited views, if you have to take time to track a target, there is a good chance you will lose them behind cover before you get the shot off. While most of the time I would just not take the shot to avoid detection if I missed ............ there were times in the beginning where I would see someone run, and instinctively try to snap on to the target and get a shot. At first it made my jaw drop at the "skilled" shots I was making in that panic type situation. "WOW!!! I didnt even think I was on target!!!" I thought to myself many times.
But ..... then I started figuring out the mechanics of it. It wasnt about being on target, like it is when you ads, track and shoot. Its about snaping onto a line instead of a point. As usual, knowing how to track a target is a must in qsing. But instead of having to be point to point shooting, if you lt/rt all you have to do is snap to a point anywhere on the enemy's path where he could be over a matter of 1/4 second or so. That doesnt sound like much time, but it makes a world of difference.
I kept doing it for about 50% of my shots from there on out with a great amount of success. But in all honesty my self pride took a beating I knew I didnt deserve half the kills I was getting .......... but it worked.
In mw3 I havent really put much effort into doing it with a sniper rifle. I have made those flinch shots enough though to know the advantage you get. If I could compare my accuracy between ads and qsing I'd have to say my accuracy qsing is probably 3 or 4 times that of when I ads and try to track.
My issue though is that I cant do it when i make a concious effort. I think the amount of time I'v spent in hc mode over the years has given me a pretty good "snap to" in a hurry. So I'm not saying its a total lack of skill or anything. You do still have to be fairly accurate .... fairly being the key. You definitely dont need the accuracy that it takes to continue holding a target.
Contrary to what most say, I see a lot of good qsers. I play ffa mostly, and there are plenty of them there. Of course there are way more bad ones than good ones. But I see qsers win in ffa quite often. When I say "good" though, I'm not talikng about aiming ability. I've said it does take a bit of skill, and timing, but what I see in good qsers is the combined ability to qs, identify targets quickly, and stay alive for a period of time while attracting so much attention. .......... and somehow,........... I havent figured this out, but the good ones always manage to beat me to the hotspots. I get killed, it seems to take forever to get back to the action. I kill a qser and it seems like he's back again in the same spot 2 seconds later. That baffles me, and that part does annoy me.
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I love how people are wording their responses and being very detailed.
Anyway. I have to disagree with you on the keeping someone on target being hard. In Black Ops guns had recoil so it was more difficult then. But so was quickscoping. Now very few guns besides LMGs have recoil and if they do throwing kick on them pretty much takes that away. If it's hard to keep a moving target in someones aim for 3-5 bullets in mw3 they should probably start playing on at least 3 sensitivity. Even more so in hardcore.
And when you say aiming 1/4th of a second ahead of someone while quickscoping that's just leading your shot. It works sometimes and others it doesn't its not because of auto aim its just lag. I do the same thing with regular guns and its done to me all the time. I know you've seen those GWKs when the guy using an AR is shooting to where you're headed yet still gets hitmarkers. It's the lag compensaton IW put in with this game that makes everything worse than it really is. QS in CoD 4 was fine. There was barely any QSing in WaW from what I saw. MW2's problem was SoH made people think they were the sh*t so they started being jerks to everyone else that didn't quickscope. Black Ops was fine after the patch. Before that it was hell. MW3's problem is that everyone is already biased because of MW2 and lag compensation just makes it look like even more bs than it really is.
Also I think people are forgetting that snipers DO get hitmarkers *Gasp* I don't just get to run around with a laser that insta kills to the foot *ACOG M40 comes to mind* I still have to aim at your chest and even then if there's enough lag I may hit your gut or miss completely. Snipers potentially will be OHK weapons but they still require some aim to do that. And in hardcore even a direct impact with a stun will kill someone so yes the first shot does matter which is why you don't see many QSers there. We don't have the time to aim and fire before you can put 1 in our chest.
My acuracy with quickscoping and sniping are about the same with sniping being a bit better. When I snipe u usually lead the shot I aim ahead of where their going and let them walk into the crosshairs. I spawn **** people at B flag in domination on resistance all the time. Just let them walk into the sight. Even when I do track I play on 8 sensitivity so even scoped in fully I can aim faster than they can sprint so tracking is easy too. Maybe its just the fact that ive been sniping since before CoD 4. I enjoy using the snipers properly and "improperly". I probably wouldn't quickscope as much if the maps allowed for it.
Want to hurt quickscoping? Tell Treyarch to make QSing like CoD 4 and have WaW sized maps. Most of them will stick to their private matches on the smallest map available and out of your hair.
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I will add one thing to this boooorrring subject ;-)
When I started Playing Cod on MW2 - I sucked at first of course and would run around with a Scar-H all the time as that's the only gun I could use, but when I got quick scoped I didn't think "f*cking quickscopers - I hate that, what a douche bag", what I actually thought was "wow that looks fun! I want to be able to do that!"
So I guess I just don't understand why people hate it so much - even to this day getting quickscoped doesn't make me rage in the slightest - final stand? Now that's another matter....
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Detailed? You wanted constructive which usually means backing up opinions with reasons.
I'll touch on a couple things you just said.
The first thing being that its just tracking a target. I do consider myself good at trcking. I've been called a hacker many times for using impact/hardened to take someone out halfway through a building, when I was just tracking them from the time they hit the doorway to go inside. But thats not what I'm tlking about doing.
There were plenty of good spots on blops where you knew someone would run and only be in view for about a second. I learned in this case it wasnt about tracking ..... or at least tracking accurately. I would have a spot in my mind along the way and every time I saw movement I would just snap to the same spot. It didnt have anything to do with perfect timing like in tracking. And the consistency with which I did it rules out lag/lag compensation. .............. although I admit, I believe qsing does take advantage of lag compensation and aim assist is an enhancement for lag compensation.
When you say you dont qs in hc mode because the other guy can aim faster than you. Sorry .......... but isnt that the point of qsing?
The reason you dont do as well in hc mode is the reason why qsing is cheap. Hc mode evens the playing field by giving every weapon the possibility of an ohk. .......... basiacally meaning anyone can qs with any weapon. So, if you do worse qsing in hardcore youare just getting the truth on how good you are. If you dont understand that, it because of denial.
But here are 2 suggestions ........ both I meantioned alredy ..... that will tell you if you are good, or if you are taking advantage of an "exploit" albeit an intentional one.
1.) Just meantioned ............. qs in hardcore. If your k/d goes down, your qsing talent in core isnt truely talent ... its taking advantage of a ohk vs a 2 to 5 shot weapon.
2.) As in my post above. Go to black ops ... hardcore mode and pick any weapon other than a sniper rifle, since the sniper rifles are intentionally inacurate for a split second.
Experiment with target assist on/off. If your accuracy is better with target assist on, then its not that you are great at aiming,.... you are taking advantage of aim assist.
I'm not even suggesting you share your results. If you want the truth on the matter you will get it. Acceptiing it may be another story.
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