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Underdog15 Calculating status... 2 posts since
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May 22, 2012 12:28 PM

Clan Op Start Times

My question is more to BeachHead Studios. Will Clan Op start times become more diverse in the future (both in terms of start times and objective), and would you consider a new option with Elite 2.0 that allows clan leaders to select a start time within a given day?

 

I'll explain my line of thinking here. And I would love to hear back from as many members of the community as possible. Elite is a service that on paper should work tremendously well, and I would love to see that happen. I don't feel it's there yet, but I hope BH Studios will take feedback from the community to improve a service I hope someday is absolutely stellar.

 

While I applaude BeachHead for aiming to have clan ops start at reasonable times of the day and setting them to weekends when a majority of people can play, I have to say I am a little bit discouraged by the fact that in doing so, they have lost valuable diversity and accessibility features.

 

Currently, as is with the current trend, if you wish to participate in a clan op, in EST you must be available at 2pm on Fridays and Sundays, and at 6pm on Saturdays. These times technically make sense to some people, however, when you schedule ops at the exact same times and days every week, you guarantee that some members will not be able to particpate ever. If these times were more diverse, it is likely people may be upset at not being able to participate in every clan op, but I believe the compromise then is that at least every elite premium subscriber can participate at least at some point.

 

My personal issue (some issues I share with most clan mates, as our clan is small and includes a group of 10-15 of us that know each other in real life): I work mon-fri from 9-5. This guarantees I will never play a clan op on Friday start times. Nearly all my other clan mates work or go to school at this time as well. On Sunday's, I play in a men's baseball league that guarantees I play every Sunday at 2pm. I can never play Sunday ops. Another clan mate is also in this same league as me and others always have plans on Sunday afternoons! You see, we're also a social and physically active group. On a beautiful sunny day, I guarantee none of us are inside playing CoD. And while I can technically be made available on Saturdays, I have a wife and infant son... so for me, weekends are largely family time and I can't justify locking myself in my man cave for 3 hours on a Saturday until much later in the evening. 6pm is far too early to break off from the family (which should always come first!). Currently, if you look at our clan's page, we have almost entirely bronze medals with only 1 member playing for 10 minutes for 20 or so kills by themselves just to ensure some clan exp. And the silvers we have are won by only 3 people being able to participate. Our only gold didn't even have a full 6 available!

 

Obviously, as a working man with a family and home to take care of, I absolutely expect to not be able to make every clan op. However, without the diversity of different times, I currently can guarantee I will -NEVER- be able to make them. I'm not big on DLC, as is proven by the fact I did not invest in Black Ops maps, so for me, clan ops, lone wolf ops, and clan challenges (challenges which Elite seems to desperately be hoping we forgot about, by the way) were the reasons I invested in Elite. So if I can't participate, I obviously won't renew my subscription. (And indeed, at this point, I have the auto-renewal disabled as does my entire clan save 2 people).

 

Since Network Accessibility appears to be the future of gaming, I believe improved accessibility to -ALL- subscribers is necessary. Afterall, any other video game subscription service guarantees you can log on at any time and participate in full and complete access when it is most convenient for the gamer. (Exceptions to scheduled maintenance, of course)

 

 

 

My suggested solutions: (Please provide input, community and BeachHead, I would really appreciate some insight, or at the very least, an idea if BH and Activision would consider more possibilities for improved accessibility)

 

1) Create more diversity in clan op start times. I would love to see weekday evenings up from time to time, late night weekends (even a midnight start time would be feasable!!), and just a general mix that would accommodate everyone. Even if 70% of the ops are as you currently have them as I'm sure BH stats show that's when the most activity can be found, having 30% of your ops at unique or late times on weekdays and weekends would help. But in short, just more diverse times and options would be very much appreciated.

 

2) In Elite 2.0, for example with the release of Black Ops 2, if BH could incorporate an option in Elite for clan leaders to select a sort of "start now" button for each op. I'll explain an idea:

 

Lets say you have a Sticky Fingers op scheduled for May 30. Clan leaders have the full 24 hour window of that date to click their "start now" button. Then, anything within the 3 hour time line that follows would count towards their titles. Some of the potential issues you would already face can be solved already just because of the set up! For example, people can only belong to ONE clan, so it's not hard to follow them around. Also, results are already delayed by a few days so your staff can verify the results, so there's no issue in tracking, anyways. If clans progress is already tracked, it wouldn't take very complicated source code to have the servers indicate the point at which each clan starts. You would generate more traffic to your site as people who participate early would return to check on their rankings as the day goes on, and people planning on playing later on would check regularly to see what scores they need to beat. It would be more competitive -AND- more accessible. Think of the extra discussion and  competitiveness that could result from entire days of watching and tracking!

 

 

ANYTHING along those lines would be a -HUGE- improvement to service, in my opinion. As long as I have some sort of guarantee that I can actually participate for once, I would -gladly- continue to invest in the service. As it stands now, come december, I'll no longer be a subscriber. Lone Wolf ops begin shortly after I get home from work on weekdays, and the first thing I do when I get home is have supper with the family then spend time with them. I'm definitely not going to come through the door, quickly say hi, kiss the wife on the cheek, then run to the man cave for 3 hours... But that's a different issue. Clan Ops are my priority right now, as the social aspect of keeping up with my friends is ultimately the real priority here.

 

 

Once again, BH, thanks for your continued hard work on improving Elite. And to the CoD community, I would really appreciate constructive feedback or additional ideas.

 

Thanks!

  • NVCI Calculating status... 1 posts since
    May 19, 2012
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    May 22, 2012 12:47 PM (in response to Underdog15)
    Re: Clan Op Start Times

    As a member of this same clan I agree. I sign online for 20 minutes just to ensure our clan gets the bronze medal. I am a gamer that just enjoys the social aspect and comraderie with others, I do not like gaming alone hence the short bouts of gaming. I also feel that the DLC is a waste as it is eventually released to the public it seems, so like my clan leader I do it for the clan ops.  The clan ops are not up to par at all. As a company that is out there to serve the gaming public, I see that we are the ones that pay your bills and supply you with your income and continue your business. I always agreed with underdog's view with a start now clan op or if anything a grace period to a start time. Also there should be more diversity towards the type of clan ops, yes TDM is fine ocassionally however why not do search and destroy or other types of ops. Just my 2 cents.

    • Special_Op Novice 86 posts since
      Dec 1, 2011
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      May 22, 2012 8:04 PM (in response to NVCI)
      Re: Clan Op Start Times

      Heres my post I wrote earlier,,,,

      35 posts since

      Dec 1, 2011

       

      I agree, these times need to be rotated around. Fridays and Sundays at 2PM EST suck...and lately 6-9PM EST on Sats, bring back some weekday nights at 8 or 9 PM EST.. Or how about you have 2 Clan-Ops during the day, 1 Early in the Day to satisfy your European Clans and 1 at Night for us in The US... Out of 70 guys in my clan I am lucky to get 4 playing during these 2-5 PM Clan-Ops... I live on the East Coast and half my Clan lives on the West....I hope more Americans complain about these times...Please keep this post going...

       

      Thanks Special-Ops-07

       

    • RyderZ Novice 73 posts since
      Feb 25, 2012
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      May 26, 2012 12:18 AM (in response to Underdog15)
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      40 thumbs up from Sydney, Australia.

       

      AP3X STUNNAZ

      • macca_96 Novice 266 posts since
        Aug 17, 2011
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        May 26, 2012 1:01 AM (in response to RyderZ)
        Re: Clan Op Start Times

        This is the best idea i have seen. But is it possible? I am appauled by the fact that beach head only think about the states regarding op times. I am in Australia and so are lots of other people and we dont wanna get up a 4.00AM for a clan op. I know we wont be renewing my subscription if this is not fixed. Beach head, think about the rest of the world!

  • dave_doom_2008 Calculating status... 94 posts since
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    May 26, 2012 6:14 AM (in response to Underdog15)
    Re: Clan Op Start Times

    Yes do a 24/7 clan op start time such as

    8am to 11am

    11am to 1pm

    1pm to 4pm

    5pm to 8pm

    8pm to 11pm

    11pm to 1am

    1am to 4am

    5am to 8am

  • Frosthawk1 Calculating status... 1 posts since
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    Jun 18, 2012 7:27 PM (in response to Underdog15)
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    i would love clan ops to be in the late night hours.  i work second shift, as well as all my other clan members so all the clan ops go on when we are unavailible.  if there are no changes i too will not be renewing my premium subscription

    • RyderZ Novice 73 posts since
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      Jun 18, 2012 8:46 PM (in response to Frosthawk1)
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      why does a company who earned millions of dollars from 1 million subscribers to elite not have anticipated this or thought about these sort of things for their main selling feature. why is it in Elite 2.0 when everyone excepted it in 1.0?

       

      why don't I see any solid responses from their staff about the most sought after request from everyone waking up at 4am in the morning!

       

      why hasn't anyone sought any legal action for a constantly broken service, and why haven't these guys offered us an extension of our membership for 3 months? it has been broken from the start, and 50% incomplete.

  • eMeLMusic Novice 135 posts since
    Nov 30, 2011
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    Jun 18, 2012 11:35 PM (in response to Underdog15)
    Re: Clan Op Start Times

    i had the same idea very early cause i'm always up for fairness. and at the moment it ain't fair. would love to see that the way you said it:

    the operation lasts the entire day and the clan leader can activate it's own 3hours when they want to. this would also improve the game play during that time. i live i germany, have a quit good connection for this region (we only have one major server in ger, even poland has more - but its another point. what i mean during the time of clan ops the game performance is ultra weak. playing during this time is really hard to motivate because of the unfair performance. this is just another point that comes along with the yet set time line.

  • PsychoticdG Calculating status... 11 posts since
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    Jun 21, 2012 7:40 AM (in response to Underdog15)
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    I don't really think it works like that, Because the majority of the people playing this game sadly, Don't go outside all too much, And are a lot younger, And they don't have to worry about having jobs or children too look after, Making it so that your clan leader chooses the time wouldn't work well either, Because then it would literally take you weeks to get the clan exp because instead of them watching the game and tracking it for 3 hours everyday over the weekend, They would have to have people watching it nonstop because some clans want to play at different times. My clan has 40 members as sitting now, And i know that not everyone can be on every clan op, But that is why we have 40 members, So if someone can't be on, Someone else can take the spot. I suggest you do the same.

  • BBrecker Newbie 8 posts since
    Dec 3, 2011
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    Jul 1, 2012 9:21 AM (in response to Underdog15)
    Re: Clan Op Start Times

    Wow i totally agree with that. I do believe that they should incorporate a start now feature. My clan is in the same boat. I am in a clan of 6 close friends and i am the only one that can play in the ops during the week. With the start times being 1200 MST and 1600 MST there is no way any of my members can play. I also think they should move the clan ops to evenings and nights and fill the daytime slots with the lone wolf ops, instead of the way it is now. Most clans get together at night anyway, so why have lone wolf at night.

     

    Please BeachHead, help us out here!!!!! I have seen multiple posts on this subject and the only reply i have seen from you is, "we try to accomodate a diverse group of players by scheduling ops at various times". Which is a boldface lie. The times have not changed at all. You should really listen to the community. If you don't you WILL lose a lot of people. I am also not going to re-new unless problems get solved.

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