Call of Duty Community: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

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Moabmauler

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Jun 12, 2012 11:46 AM

Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

I don't know why this isn't disscussed more often, but don't we see a complete outclass of weapons here? Bascially the PKP and MG36 have NO point in existing in this game.

Heres why the L86 is better than either the PKP or MG36:

Lower recoil

Faster reloads

Higher RPM

NO recoil when given the thermal sight

Better iron sight

PKP and MG36 advantages?

40 damage up close instead of 38, so only 2 more damage, same damage long range(35), and that 2 more damage doesn't change the bullets needed to kill. Yep that sounds like a tiny and useless advantage.

Now let me make this clear. I am NOT asking for IW to nerf the L86. I can understand maybe removing the zero recoil with the thermal sight, but it is a very balanced weapon when compared to all the weapons in the game. What I AM asking for is for IW to give the PKP and MG36 some sort of buff, you know a valid reason to use them over the L86. My ideas on how to fix them would be to:

Give the MG36 lower recoil, 85% run speed and a 3.5 second aim speed.

Give the PKP lower recoil and give it a torso multiplier that is just high enough so it can kill in two hits in the torso or head before damage drop off. Also fix the issue of sway being increased and made unresetable when it has the grip attachment on.

You guys have any ideas on how to fix these guns?

Also think they should bumb down the recoil on the M60 just a tad.

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Jun 12, 2012 11:20 AM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

i think the PKP is better since it just feels better, and i like the ironsight better.

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- Moabmauler
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  Jun 12, 2012 11:27 AM (in response to MrTomatofish)
  Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.
  
  Yes I agree, it does feel better than the L86. I think the iron sight is just plain obstructive if you ask me though. But my point here is that we have a total outclass of weapons here with no reason for the PKP or MG36 existing in this game. A guns feel is not part of balance.
  
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Jun 12, 2012 11:22 AM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

I personally like the feel of the MG36 better and the PKP has the most wide open iron sights of all LMGs. When it comes down to LMGs, I feel like they are all interchangable. I don't see a large difference between any of them, and I think they're all viable options if you like using LMGs. I think it just has more to do with personal preferance more than anything else.

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- zvers
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  Jun 12, 2012 12:43 PM (in response to youngbuck8100)
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  I think the only LMG's worth using is the MG36 and the M60 but that's just me.
  
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Jun 12, 2012 11:29 AM (in response to Moabmauler)
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L86 is a magnificent weapon. I definitely agree that it outclasses the PKP and MG36.

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Jun 12, 2012 11:49 AM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

Ok mate, first off the LMG's were all buffed not that long ago, each gun can kill in 3 rounds from any distance even if silenced. The M60 got an extra buff in that it kills in 2 rounds close range..

Sadly i read/watched a vid a few days ago that they were all being nerfed again.. Fcuk knows why since even with the buff they dont dominate the battleground in any shape or form.. Nothing can take that title from the gAyCR / MPo0f7

Personally i think the PKP is a beast and out off all the LMGs its the one i have gold (best looking gold gun in the game hands down) chuck a grip, silencer on it with specialist pack and just let rip.. The L86 is very good but for me it just doesnt perform as well...

If you want a suggestion on how to fix them, then get onto the devs asap before they implement the nerf's which are due.. I've got my lmgs 99% gold so if they do nerf them i wont have any reason to use them anyway.

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  Jun 12, 2012 11:53 AM (in response to willfal)
  Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.
  
  What you read was incorrect. They did accidently remove the buff from the stats, but it never actually got removed from the game. It was an error and I think its since been fixed
  
  As far as I know that buff never went through in private matches. So if the article/post you read said they tested it in a private match, thats why. Someone from IW tweeted this recently, I can go find it for you or you can search yourself if you're interested
  
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    Jun 12, 2012 12:06 PM (in response to youngbuck8100)
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    So they made the buff for private games but it wasnt applied to public lobbies.. Wtf!!
    
    Im sure it was a tmartn vid that i watched shouwing the buff.. It was a while ago, cant really remember.
    
    LOL if ive been using the lmgs thinking they were more powerfull, going by my gun stats the pkp is the best for my k/d at 2.85 next is the l86.
    
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  Jun 12, 2012 6:02 PM (in response to willfal)
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  Let me begin by saying the 2 hits the M60 gets was not from a buff. Thats the way since its been since launch day. Second, the nerf that happened is now fixed and LMGs are back to their normal buffed status. And again like I said, a guns feel is opinional and is NOT part of balance. The fact is whatever you would do with a PKP or MG36 you would do better with a L86. That not the way it should be and is a error that IW needs to correct. And if you never used a L86 with thermal and rapid fire I highly suggest you see this death laser for yourself.
  
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Jun 12, 2012 11:56 AM (in response to Moabmauler)
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i feel like there is no reason to use a LMG in this game the still takes like 3-4 hit markers and u run super slow and u still get out shot by every sub and AR

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  Jun 12, 2012 1:38 PM (in response to Kisser)
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  Actually, IMO, the L86 is one of the best weapons in the game when you have thermal and a silencer. It's what I use to counter snipers (since I hate them). It's a perfect combo to spot those campers from a distance and mow them down.
  This being said, don't use this combo on Dome or a map that small and expect to do well- it's great for long lines of site and large maps like Interchange, Mission and Bakarra.
  
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  Jun 12, 2012 1:42 PM (in response to Kisser)
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  Put the speed proficency on the LMG along with quickdraw and stalker and you have a great combo that is fun to use on large maps.
  
  I have the L86 gold now and would agree it is the better choice between the PKP and MG36 the rate of fire let me win more gunfights than I have with the PKP
  
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    Jun 12, 2012 2:11 PM (in response to opb81)
    Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.
    
    Also, the RELOAD TIME for the L86 is SUPERIOR!!! This way you don't have to use SOH and can use BLIND EYE PRO instead and shoot down enemy air support without a stinger. Works great for team support role. Other Lmgs take 8 seconds compared to 3.5 for the L86 and MG36.
    
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Jun 12, 2012 1:42 PM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

MG36 looks cooler. I'll keep using that.

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Jun 12, 2012 6:32 PM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

Moabmauler wrote:

...Bascially the PKP and MG36 have NO point in existing in this game...

The PKP Pecheneg and the MG36 are fun to use and add variety to the game. That's more important to me than weapon stats. lol

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  Jun 13, 2012 4:00 PM (in response to deadimpact)
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  I don't consider adding guns that are completely outclassed by another gun "adding to the variety". Its just inflates the inventory to make it look bigger instead of actually adding to the variety of the game. Using a gun purely for its looks and sounds and going against stats is completely ignorant and will hurt your performance in the game.
  
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Jun 12, 2012 9:08 PM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

You got a few things wrong there. First off the MG36 is the fastest reloading LMG in the game. Secondly, LMG's don't have any type of damage drop off. I tested this myself in a private match with the L86. If it did have 35 damage at range, I would need three headshots at long range, but I got a two headshot kill. The L86 also loses its fast reload with the Grip, making it a 5 second reload (same as MW2). Recognize that I haven't mentioned the PKP yet. This is because I agree with you about it. It has no recognizable outstanding feature among the LMG's that I can see. I don't believe they can hotfix the movement rate on any of the weapons as of right now, so the 85% movement probably won't happen.

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Jun 13, 2012 4:11 PM (in response to Moabmauler)
Re: Is there NO reason to use a PKP or MG36 over the L86.

The only plus for me with the L86 is it feels fast enough movement wise to not require the speed but once you whack speed and grip on the MG36 i'll always choose it over the L86 there's just something I don't cotton to with the L86.

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