Oct 19, 2011 3:52 AM
K/D vs Playing the Objective
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If you call sitting on your rump and pressing buttons a SKILL then you sir failed at life
tntviper1 wrote:
i play DOM the most, i am FTW every time, mostly i approach the flag carefully, try to cap it, or depending on my mood i will take my M60 and keep changing spots around one flag to DEF.
last night was a good game for me cause i suck. i went 11-3, 3 caps, 3 def, and got a chopper gunner
Justin_IRE wrote:
Not sure about my Win lose ratio.. (but will be checking it once I get home) pretty sure im safe tho.. I dont lose to often
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My K/D would normally be 1.60 - 2.00.. but is low atm due to perk pro work... will have it back up in no time(not making excuses, I know full well its possible to keep K/D up as well as work on them) but wanted to get them out of the way quicker this time round..)
p.s my name on this is the same in my PSN, add/invite etc me if you wish.. play regularly (ish) but not as much I wish, what with the daughter loving Ratchet and Clank
My personal Fav's.. Accurate Tomahk'n (not blind cross map throwing) this is the true test of skill in the game..(what I think anyways)
NickZombie wrote:
tntviper1 wrote:
i play DOM the most, i am FTW every time, mostly i approach the flag carefully, try to cap it, or depending on my mood i will take my M60 and keep changing spots around one flag to DEF.
last night was a good game for me cause i suck. i went 11-3, 3 caps, 3 def, and got a chopper gunner
You consider 11-3 good?
BLLDWG23 wrote:
Here is my 2 cents on it. You can be an objective player and still maintain a decent K/D. If a person says to me hey I am an objective player and my K/D is .90 then I'd say OK you are prolly not a bad person to have on the team cause you are going for objectives but your also staying close to even K/D wise so your not feeding the opposition killstreaks. If your K/D is slipping much lower than that I think you are being too aggressive about trying to cap and actually hurting more than helping in most cases. Especially if you are playing against some decent players.
I consider myself an objective player and honestly it isn't that hard to cap and keep a decent K/D most of the time. For instance a pretty decent Dom match for me would be like going 24 - 14 or something like that and I'll usually have about 3-5 caps and 3-5 defends. I am easily positive almost 2 k/d in that game and playing the objective. Usually the only time I go negative in a situation like that is if I am playing against a well organized group or my teammates are feeding killstrreaks.
Now don't get me wrong I am not a fan of the guy going 43-1 with no caps or defends, but I am not also a fan of the guy going 2-23 with four caps either. One extreme can be just as bad as the other.
BLLDWG23 wrote:
Here is my 2 cents on it. You can be an objective player and still maintain a decent K/D. If a person says to me hey I am an objective player and my K/D is .90 then I'd say OK you are prolly not a bad person to have on the team cause you are going for objectives but your also staying close to even K/D wise so your not feeding the opposition killstreaks. If your K/D is slipping much lower than that I think you are being too aggressive about trying to cap and actually hurting more than helping in most cases. Especially if you are playing against some decent players.
I consider myself an objective player and honestly it isn't that hard to cap and keep a decent K/D most of the time. For instance a pretty decent Dom match for me would be like going 24 - 14 or something like that and I'll usually have about 3-5 caps and 3-5 defends. I am easily positive almost 2 k/d in that game and playing the objective. Usually the only time I go negative in a situation like that is if I am playing against a well organized group or my teammates are feeding killstrreaks.
Now don't get me wrong I am not a fan of the guy going 43-1 with no caps or defends, but I am not also a fan of the guy going 2-23 with four caps either. One extreme can be just as bad as the other.
Justin_IRE wrote:
This is something that annoys me.. I prefer to play games of Dom, Demo. I dont play in a "Clan" so I rely on teamwork to produce good result,
Now I always do well in these games, normally 1st or second on our team.. win or lose.. I still place about the same.. (my K/D is about 0.68 mostly because I have been working on my perks, and also I would be a very aggressive player towards the objective)
I come across these players often tho.. playing for Kills, not for the game... (and it REALLY bugs me)
My question is what is the point in joining a game of CTF, Domination, demo etc if you just after kill's.. why not stick to TDM or Free 4 all..
and which do you find more important? K/D or Playing the Objective..?
P2R-GoTCha wrote:
All I know is if I release blackbird then my dogs and chopper before the first cap is online you are capping the objective. I may not have a cap on the scoreboard but did I not give you a free cap? Though I usually try to get the cap, Ill sometimes avoid it and be the smart one to realize I need to protect the cappers so we can defend.
JPE777 wrote:
P2R-GoTCha wrote:
All I know is if I release blackbird then my dogs and chopper before the first cap is online you are capping the objective. I may not have a cap on the scoreboard but did I not give you a free cap? Though I usually try to get the cap, Ill sometimes avoid it and be the smart one to realize I need to protect the cappers so we can defend.
So, out of curiousity, how many all time domination kills do you have and how many alltime domination captures do you have?
In any one single game, a player can quite legitimately have 0 caps etc and be a completly team focused player. But over a large number of games, that isnt justifiable.
yeah that is good i'd be excited too!
i am really bad at the game haha
Yea I dont really play Black Ops anymore, happy enough with MW3..
My Stats on MW3 are a good bit better than my BO, .90 KRD (it was .72 but I have been working on getting it to 1.00 which wont be too long now.. L/W is about 48%
My stats are as follows (from black ops) which I havent played in about a year.
1,645 Caps
444 Defends
5,619 Kills
not sure if thats good, bad or whatever..
Exactly, and quite frankly it annoys me too, I can't tell you how many times I've played a game of Demolition, Domination, or CTF and get stuck with people who could care less about the objective and more about their K/D. Just stick to TDM if you want to run around and aimlessly shot at other players!
sigh dude, let me share this with you as you made a very legitimate point. Going for kills "only" (verbatim) is stupid if its a objective game.
However, there is nothing wrong with taking advantage of an objective game type to rack high kills.
I'll explain... Take dom for example... Have your Team Cap C and B or A and B at the same time as fast as you can. Once both flags are capped and your Team does not Push to Far into the Last flag zone area than your good.
This my friend will force the opposing team to Spawn only by their Flag That hasn't been capped while the other Team is Racking up high Kills due to the fact that the enemy is coming from 1 direction.
See, this is called playing smart because your Outsmarting an objective game to become a Spawn trap.. Plus you get allot of defense Kills if 1 or 2 people try to flank by the flags thats been secured.
once you get 2 flags than all you have to do is run patrol around the last flag area as that's their only Spawn point
However if the team Pushes to deep into the spawn point, than the spawn Flips. This makes the winning team at risk of loosing their ground.
**This mainly happens when a Random doesn't listen when someone yells DON'T Triple CAP!!!!**
Its never a good thing to triple cap early... wait last minute for that..
As for Demo, All you have to Do is Plant 1 Bomb and Rush into the spawn once it blows up.. If this is done right you will than get a spawn trap going.
I've seen players get 2 plants with a score of 198 kills which is awesome/ as for me I got the low number of 98 Kills with 2 plants and 1 defuse.. Dude thats awesome right there. There is nothing wrong with going for Kills if your going to go for Smart Kills by controlling the Spawn while Getting objective points ![]()
yea, I would agree to a point... play smart/ safe and only double cap told them and you'll get an easy win and a good few kills also. now this goes of topic but..
But want to show you have a GOOD/ Pro team which work well together? Then go for it, Cap as much as possible as often as possible and own them. I have had plenty of games of 200 to 48 from pushing and keep pushing, and never giving them an inch.
If your playing solo in a team you dont know, yea play smart and only start to triple cap near the 150 - 175 mark..
Either way, I am well aware of the advantages to double capping and not triple capping.
The point im making is.. those players regarless of the score or how many Cap's they have, they will still "camp" at a point on the map just to rack up easy kills and not help at all with capping. Those are the people which I am taking about.
Me I would rather go negative and I dont care how negative, if we can get the points back and win the game. But that is my play style.. Aggressive Objective player out for the win.
All in all all of the above which you said, I do not disagree with. As long as the team wins.
you know dude, your right bro.. those guys who don't play the objective are pretty stupid.. I remember playing a few solo games and im the only 1 who's Caping the dam Flag bro and god its so annoying man. Like i hate that crap dude so bad.. I can't stand going negative at all but i also can't stand not getting Flag points.. if i have a 30-8 game with no CAPS im pretty upset.. And the reason is because I try to maintain a Score Per minute of 230. Now that may not be a Beast score but at least it shows efficiency in playing the objective..
I can play DOM solo but i refuse to play DEMO alone.. o hell noooooooooo LMAO
Coudnt agree more with you on that one, it is impossible to play Demo or even Headquarters well if not in a well communicating team.
i actually quit playing objective after i noticed the trend of only playing objective modes because there is no kill cap. The last i played DOM the enemy MVP had 103 kills, 11 deaths and ZERO captures ZERO defends and less than 10 offences. Now i only play TDM and HCTDM because of that.