May 20, 2012 11:15 PM
Petition for more hardcore modes and a small playlist revamp
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I'm sure there's a lot more people like me, who only play the hardcore modes, and have been playing this game since cod4 or even earlier and bought all the dlc. So I will kindly request the devs to give us hardcore players atleast half of what the core players are already getting.
1. We want to play the faceoff maps too, if you're gonna sell them as dlc please give hardcore players the chance to play them too.
2. We want to play Demolition, Capture the Flag and Sabotage
3. We want Team Tactical back!
I would also suggest you to revamp the playlists so that you would move all core modes from the hardcore playlists to other "folders" (like barebones and core team tactical) and replace them with hc modes. If you can't add all the gamemodes, give us Team Tactical and 6 player Mosh Pit with Demolition, Capture the Flag, Sabotage, Headquaters, Domination, Search & Destroy + Kill Confirmed.
In a dreamworld the playlist would look like this:
Hardcore -
HC Free for All
HC Team Deathmatch
HC Kill Confirmed
HC Domination
HC Headquaters
HC Search & Destroy
HC Face Off 1v1
HC Face Off 2v2
HC Team Tactical
HC Mosh Pit
1) I don't think petitions work on forums. 2) Hardcore community is small. The needs of many outweigh the needs of few and 3) the devs don't about what you think.
Your wasting your time. Give up.
the problem with hardcore is that only aound 6-8% of people play it. To pull that amount of resources from the other 90% doesn't work well for business. If there was a larger precentage of the players playing hardcore then yes a revamp should happen but until that happens activision won't put any resources into it. And I'm not being bias, I play only hardcore from cod4 till blops, I stopped playing hardcore in blops because of the lack of game modes plus the camp factor in hardcore seems to increase with each title, in cod4 hardcore was just as fast paced as core but in blops the paced also ground to a holt
You do have a chance to play those games in Private Match modes you know.
Problem being is that HardCore players are a "small minority of a minority". I believe that quote was from about 9 months ago when they almost completely removed HardCore game modes for good.
They put them down to moshpits.
Heck even us Elite Members have to play our new maps in a mosh pit.
A quick word about comments about the small Hardcore population. The Hardcore population is the size that it is becuase Hardcore has been poorly supported since this games launch. There were many dedicated Hardcore clans that went back to Black Ops when they saw the games types they played weren't going to be supported. IW hasn't done anything to mend that bridge, infact, they continue to alienate Hardcore players. Then again, alienating the community is becoming SOP for IW.
like I said the support was one aspect that made go to core but the speed of the game play was another big factor. I couldn't even begin to count the amount of games that went the whole 10 mins because one wanted to move. I don't know if it was poor map design or weather players have become cagey but since cod4 the hardcore play list has become slower and slower. And thats main reason alot of players don't play hardcore.
Fair enough, hardcore players are definitely the minority. But the number of hc players in cod is still a relatively big number and a lot higher than most online games in Xbox Live. And why this is an issue, is that it's so easy to add, it's like 5 minutes of work for the devs. Playlist can be updated without updating the game and going through Microsoft & Sony's patch approval.
Why can the Core playlist have over 10 items, but the HC playlist can only have 6 or so?
Playing private match is hardly the option.
1) Where do my friends and I find the opponents to play against?
2) No xp, no challenges, no level ups, no prestiging..
I don't deny hardcore isn't given enough support but if 90% of players cry for 1 thing and 10% cry for another, who do think will be heard?
I have been actively speaking with @Ghandi a DEV. As of last week he has stated that he will look into seeing if they can add HC CTF. But in order for them to add HC Modes they have to remove a HC Mode. They cant keep adding Playlist becasue then the gaming population gets spread to thin and searching for games would take a lot longer and the quality of games will suffer. If anything they would probably remove HC HQ because it is the least played HC MODE. A lot of people would like to see HC CTF but if at least some wouldnt be opposedto a HC MOSHPIT consistiing of these modes... HC DOMINATION, HC DEMOLITION, HC CTF, HC SABOTAGE
Well here's some facts:
ATM here's how many players there are in each gamemode:
Core Sabotage: 517
Core Headquaters: 755
Core Capture Flag: 660
Core Team Tactical (IN HC PLAYLIST!): 930
Core Barebones: 333
HC TDM: 4370
HC KC: 3160
HC Free4All: 684
HC Domination: 3375
HC SD: 2462
HC HQ: 564
If you wanna remove something in HC playlist, remove the core modes! I can guarantee that a HC Moshpit with Sabotage, Demoliton and Capture Flag etc, will get atleast 5 times more players than there is in Barebones, Core Capture Flag or Core Sabotage. And hardcore Team Tactical will be a hell a lot more popular than core Team Tactical!
Another fun factoid, last night there were 3800 people in Black Ops' HC CTF playlist and less than 600 in MW3's HC HQ.
i do agree that there are not many people in the HC playlists. I like playing both HC and core but let me tell you what the joke playlist is ................. the ELITE playlist is a joke and waste of time and effort. There are more people in the HC DOM playlist alone than all of the ELITE playlist combined... With that being said i liked hardcore bombs that was in blackops...
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point05 wrote:
I'm sure there's a lot more people like me, who only play the hardcore modes, and have been playing this game since cod4 or even earlier and bought all the dlc. So I will kindly request the devs to give us hardcore players atleast half of what the core players are already getting.
1. We want to play the faceoff maps too, if you're gonna sell them as dlc please give hardcore players the chance to play them too.
2. We want to play Demolition, Capture the Flag and Sabotage
3. We want Team Tactical back!
I would also suggest you to revamp the playlists so that you would move all core modes from the hardcore playlists to other "folders" (like barebones and core team tactical) and replace them with hc modes. If you can't add all the gamemodes, give us Team Tactical and 6 player Mosh Pit with Demolition, Capture the Flag, Sabotage, Headquaters, Domination, Search & Destroy + Kill Confirmed.
In a dreamworld the playlist would look like this:
Hardcore -
HC Free for All
HC Team Deathmatch
HC Kill Confirmed
HC Domination
HC Headquaters
HC Search & Destroy
HC Face Off 1v1
HC Face Off 2v2
HC Team Tactical
HC Mosh Pit
Just so you know...
1) Petitions are a no-no.
2) IW/SH doesn't like HC.
3) They will not add anything, only replace what's there.
4) You can't use reason with Core-boys, so, don't try.
5) #MOARhardcore has been asked for and ignored for months.
Focus your HC efforts on BO2 because it's a lost cause with MW3.
IW and SH don't like hardcore? Yet they made CoD 1, 2, 4, MW2, and now MW3. The last three titles I know for sure had hardcore playlists, yet you say they hate hardcore? Sure... I'll buy that, along with your ocean front property in Arizona.
http://community.callofduty.com/message/205650046#205650046
Here is where I just asked Ghandi again. And if you go back some pages in this post it will show where he answered me and said they would look into it.
That's great, any new hc modes are a more than welcome!
I'm just throwing in a "like" since you didn't spell petition as partition or partition ![]()
I agree with the OP for the most part. I am a player of ALL game modes available except S&D because I'm terrible at it (I rush too much).
However, after playing game modes such as demo and sab. these modes are already crazy enough in core. Imagine how much spawn killing there would be in HC.
For example: Core Domination and HC Domination have virtually the same spawns for the most part but in HC Dom its nothing to be spawn killed instantly 5-6 times in a row (this doesn't happen in core).
I would love many things in HC like :
HC Groundwar
HC CTF
HC HQ (like it was in BO, not what this game has)
HC Drop Zone
BUT... as much as I would love that, I know it would be a love/hate for those game modes due to the chaos that it would be.
My advice to you would be if you want to play them that bad, just learn to play them in core. BO2 will probably have the biggest the focus on HC ever in COD (many rumors say this also).
The truth is MW3 has already passed its peak and the more people leaving this game to go to others only decreases the urgency for IW/SH to improve this game.
Thanks for all fellow hc players for their support! I know IW doesn't read these forums and probably doesn't care what their paying customers think (if they've already paid), but I have to try.
The game is great! If it wasn't I wouldn't go through this much to request something.
Anyway I disagree with Hc Demolition or anything being any more chaotic than core modes. First of all we already had HC Demoltion and HC Capture the Flag in MW2, and it was the same as core. Second the biggest problem in demolition is the rule set, there needs to be a spawn timer, so that the kills actually matter and it becomes way less hectic. You could also remove some explosives like SMAWs RPGs and NoobTubes from it. Third, people play hc actually a lot more carefully and slowly than core, since you die so easily.
I would love to see where people are getting their Stats about Hardcore players... there are many of us out there.
The best point the OP makes is this. We pay for the DLC like everyone else, and its ridiculous to not make it available on all playlists. Just because you don't play Hardcore, doesn't mean you can say its fair we don't get all the game modes. I don't have much faith in IW or SH to listen to these requests however, so I don't expect much change.
Well just like us gamers that completely hate QS'ers and dropshotters, IW caters to what ever group they feel might benefit their overall sales and playability. I have already refused to ever buy another IW game that allows QSing, I know one man wont really make a difference but its still a stand that needs to be made. Maybe if you hardcore guys stop playing MW3 altogether, heck stop buying IW games till they cater to you as well. The only thing these guys know is money and play time of their game, stop that and they will recognize you. Hit'em where it hurts people!
Btw, there's now 5 categories in the playlist
Standard Playlists
Advanced Playlists
Community Playlists
Face Off Playlists
Collection 2 Playlists
And since at one point there was only two of these, I think it's pretty save to say that IW can add these any time they want, without having to patch the game and there's room for atleast 10 of these.
Also, there's 12 gametypes inside Standard Playlists, so it's pretty safe to say there's room for 12 gametypes in each of these 10 categories.
So the only explanation left is that "adding more gametypes will eat players from other gametypes, making matchmaking slower". So fine, as I'm writing this there are 252 players in core Sabotage, so let's say if gametypes active player number goes below 250 players, remove it. That way you'll atleast know what gamemodes the community really wants.
There's really no excuses for hardcore Face Off though, if you would add even just 2v2 hardcore faceoff to face off category, it would have atleast 1000 players 24/7. Or atleast give us the HC Team Tactical back and have face off maps in that playlist.
Even if the hardcore playlist would be just:
HC TDM
HC S&D
HC MOSHPIT (demolition, sabotage, capture the flag, domination, headquaters, kill confirmed)
It would still be miles better than what it is now.
We're still waiting on the sniper only lobbies we were promised. and when they do come they better have secondaries restricted to handguns, or nothing. We don't want little junior running around with his mp9 single or fmg akimbo mucking it up!
I don't see why wouldn't they add that to "community playlists"? It's not like that would eat any players from let's say core Sabotage ![]()