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kastro187420 Master 5,924 posts since
May 23, 2011

Getting rid of the Killwhores

Posted by kastro187420 on May 11, 2012 5:22 AM

They are a plague to this game, and need to be kept away from any and all objective game modes. After trying to play MW3 tonight (again), I've realized why I stopped playing to begin with:

 

Shitty Connections and Kill Whores

 

I simply cannot enjoy my favorite game mode anymore (Domination) without at least half the people treating it like TDM, and the other half too stupid to know how to properly capture a flag point (but that's another rant). I really would like to see an effort from Treyarch to either minimize their impact in games, or better, completely flush them out of the game modes.

 

Here are a few proposed ideas that I've seen mentioned, many of which I think are Viable:

 

Remove Kills and Deaths from the leaderboards in Objective Based Game Modes. Afterall, if I'm playing domination, I don't care about that player who went 45-5, but failed to capture a single point. I care about the player who goes 10-15 but has 5 captures. That will help a lot IMO. No Kill/Death count means nothing to show off in videos, and no number to brag about to friends.

 

Remove K/D influencer from Objective Games. What this means is, make it so that Objective Game Modes do not count towards your K/D Ratio. Any Kills or Deaths you get are basically negligible. They show up in your Combat Record, but they aren't factored into your K/D.

 

Reduced XP per kill in Objective Game Modes. Currently in most of them, it's something like 100xp per kill. Let's cut that in half. 50xp per kill, and then give a 50% increase to objective captures so that the XP they award makes up for the reduced XP per kill. Same with Kill streaks. Make it so that someone capping objectives earns kill streaks faster than some douche sitting behind a motion sensor for half the game.

 

Remove Kill Streaks from the Objective Game Modes. Personally, I wouldn't mind this one, but I know it won't be popular. Nonetheless, I included it just for the sake of completeness. This one would work because people wouldn't have a reason to sit there and play for kills over points.

 

 

Now onto some more specific Game Mode issues (these can be addressed in addition to the above solutions):

 

Capture the Flag -

 

Currently it's too easy for someone on your team to take the enemy flag, and then camp at the base while the team racks up kills, making it impossible to finish the match. So, again, here are a couple ideas to fix this:

 

1) If you've held the flag for x period of time without capping it, a teammate can "take" the flag from you for the capture themselves.

2) If you've held the flag for x period of time without capping it, it automatically respawns at the enemy base.

 

Sabotage -

 

This one can mostly be fixed through any of the above mentioned fixes, but I'd also consider lowing the time limit for it.

 

Demolition -

 

Everyone's favorite Killwhore mode. I honestly say we just scrap the mode altogether tbh. It always leads to spawn killing issues, and needs redone anyway. More centralized bomb locations, better spawning algorithm, and a new scoring structure.

 

 

These are just my own ideas (and some I've seen in the past), so feel free to add your own or leave your thoughts on this.

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  • rankismet Master 11,015 posts since
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    rankismet     May 11, 2012 10:42 AM (in response to kastro187420)

    I get your angst but don't agree 100%.

     

    Domination:

     

    When I play Dom... I prefer to get two points, hold them, and kill the crap out of the enmy team. I would rather see a game with two caps and zero defends. We took the points and never let the enemy get close enough to even get a defend. This does require teamwork and tactics, and most likely, a full squad.

     

    People just killing to kill bug me but I think killing the opponent has a place in Dom. Dead men cap no flags.

     

    I would have zero issue with KD not being displayed in either the score or leader boards but I wouldn't penalize someone filling a role in a squad.

     

    I would modify streaks to make it appropriate to the game type with both type and points/kills to acquire.

     

    CTF:

     

    I have the same basic feelings with this mode as Dom. I also have zero issue with a team acquiring the flag and holding it. It's a risky tactic that can very easily backfire when going against solid players.

     

    Best way to avoid the other team doing this is to get the lead and the flag on your side.

     

    I would again modify streaks to make it appropriate to the game type with both type and points/kills to acquire.

     

    Demolition:

     

    Yeah... agree with you here... blow it up.

    • esmorgue Master 6,606 posts since
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      esmorgue     May 11, 2012 11:06 AM (in response to rankismet)

      I can agree with both of you guys on all points posted.

       

      CTF: Only enable pistols and knifed to reduce camping the flag. You would still have tactical/lethal grenades, 1 claymore per person.

       

      Demo: just do away with it. 2 years running of FAIL is enough.

  • dalger22 Apprentice 381 posts since
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    dalger22     May 11, 2012 8:41 PM (in response to kastro187420)

    People will whine about every little thing.  How are you going to dictate to someone on how they should play their game? 

    • kastro187420 Master 5,924 posts since
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      kastro187420     May 11, 2012 5:25 PM (in response to dalger22)

      I'm not trying to force them to play their game a certain way. I simply want to make it so that it's as inconvenient as possible if you aren't playing the objective.

       

      I couldn't give a **** less if someone on my team thinks camping behind a motion sensor all match is helping. I'd rather that person get half the amount of kills, but actually work for the objective.

       

      If people want to play TDM, they have a few game modes do that in already.

       

      When I play Dom... I prefer to get two points, hold them, and kill the crap out of the enmy team. I would rather see a game with two caps and zero defends. We took the points and never let the enemy get close enough to even get a defend. This does require teamwork and tactics, and most likely, a full squad.

       

      People just killing to kill bug me but I think killing the opponent has a place in Dom. Dead men cap no flags.

       

      I would have zero issue with KD not being displayed in either the score or leader boards but I wouldn't penalize someone filling a role in a squad.

       

      This is how I like to play aswell. Double Cap and try to hold the two positions. However, this doesn't mean that killing should be emphasized at all. IMO the focus is Captures and Defends. Capture the points, and defend them. That's what should be the relevant score. When people have a large incentive to break spawn traps and capture points, you'll see far better matches.

       

      I can count on one hand the number of GOOD domination matches I've played. Matches where both teams pushed for flags, and it literally came down to a few seconds worth of difference. One team held a flag just a few seconds longer than the other.

       

      Those kinds of matches are so rare though. That's what I want to push for though. Design the game so that when people play, they're actually playing the game mode that they selected, and not treating every playlist like just another version of TDM. Just the other day I was trying to play Dom on MW3 and seen a camping literally 5 feet away from an uncapped flag while we only had one. After I knifed him a few times, he finally moved to help me cap the flag. It's ridiculous these days.

       

      I honestly just want to either see these people play Domination (or whatever mode they select), or gtfo. I'm sure many of the solutions I proposed seem "harsh" so to speak, but they're about the only way I can figure that will presuade people into actually playing the game mode.

       

      I get that there's that sub-section of players out there who want to extend the game as long as possible. These are the players who cap 2 flags and then hold the flag all match so it doesn't end.. or they play Headquarters and get within 1 cap of winning, and then spend the rest of the match killing.. or plant one bomb in Demo and play TDM the rest of the match.

       

      But to me, that's not the point of these games. Hell, I'd have no problem with them creating a 20-min version of TDM with double the score limit if it meant taking all these players out of Objective Game Modes so that those of us who you want to play it, can.

    • iloveshotguns Apprentice 367 posts since
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      iloveshotguns     May 11, 2012 8:37 PM (in response to dalger22)

      camp for your kd less!

  • Calculating status... 19 posts since
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    DokTrKiLLsTr3Ak     May 11, 2012 11:23 AM (in response to kastro187420)

    I think ne1 who cries or complains about ANYTHING other than lag bugs etc should just go play something else or get a job at treyarch and do it urself.  y should a game played by millions be tailored n customized?  honestly i wouldnt care if they did every suggestion u made cuz i play and usually like it no matter any of that stuff.  i dont get mad at other peoples tactics etc i get mad at host issues lag etc and people who complain SO MUCH that IW tries SUPER HARD to make mw3 PERFECT for u douches and we wind up with mw3.  I bet if noone ever made a suggestion mw3 would be tight

    • esmorgue Master 6,606 posts since
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      esmorgue     May 11, 2012 2:47 PM (in response to DokTrKiLLsTr3Ak)

      You ma'am continue your ignorance....if you are not even going to be on topic about want kastro is weaving...Why even FAIL? YOU ARE GOOD AT IT...ill give you that. Yet OffTopic is the place for you. Dr.Matuzz is waiting for new subjects.

       

      @kastro: something need to be done. Yes I obtain a lot of kills, but it comes from playing for the win even in objective matches. My flag is mine and I want noone other than my team to have it. I would like KD not shown in sense of the ratio. I would also not like the combat record shown anymore either. It at times can cause ( I know iif0xyii...I know) very minimally some to try and match another soldier's stats.

  • Vic27 Apprentice 586 posts since
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    Vic27     May 11, 2012 6:04 PM (in response to kastro187420)

    Removing K/D from the leaderboards should not and will not happen. CoD is about killing people, period. Yes people should be rewarded for PTO but de-emphasizing killing people in a FPS is just silly.

     

    Classic argument for "killwhores" is people cant PTO if they are dead. They have a point.

    • kastro187420 Master 5,924 posts since
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      kastro187420     May 11, 2012 6:19 PM (in response to Vic27)

      Vic27 wrote:

       

      Removing K/D from the leaderboards should not and will not happen. CoD is about killing people, period. Yes people should be rewarded for PTO but de-emphasizing killing people in a FPS is just silly.

       

      Classic argument for "killwhores" is people cant PTO if they are dead. They have a point.

       

      Yeah, except that actually requires that the person is actually decent enough to kill enough people to make a difference. In nearly every instance where I encounter a killwhore, he BARELY out kills us. If I can play the objective and get nearly the same amount of kills, then clearly he isn't helping.

       

      What's annoying is when you get these killwhores on the team who will camp 10ft away from the objective, and REFUSE to move and defend it or capture it, for fear they might die. Then we lose the flag, and they STILL sit there behind a motion sensor thinking they're helping the team.

       

      I'm not saying de-emphasize killing completely, just don't make that the core focus of the game mode. You don't win by killing players. You win by capping points (in Dom).

       

      If someone wants to sit there and pad their K/D, they can take it to TDM. No one will complain about them gonig 40-5 there.

      • Newbie 19 posts since
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        DokTrKiLLsTr3Ak     May 12, 2012 8:29 AM (in response to kastro187420)

        "camp 10ft away from the objective, and REFUSE to move and defend"

         

        i seriously cant comprehend how you are so stupid.  u whiners always talking about campers i think campers must be getting a sh*tload of kills or something and actually must be pretty d*mn good at the game if they got you all complaining ur a**es off.  u must not have a brain becuz i think when they made cod and put the word "DEFEND" somewhere that they actually mean to so called "camp" nearby maybe even "10 ft away" and defend the d*mn thing.  stop whining about the way people play, that isnt even something to do with the game.  ur just mad and want the game to be easier for u

        • Moon Head 92 Expert 1,021 posts since
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          Moon Head 92     May 12, 2012 9:41 AM (in response to DokTrKiLLsTr3Ak)

          You call someone stupid, yet you type that rubbish? Kid get of the forums and get to English class as your grammar is terrible. Also if you wasn't SO stupid you would understand what he is getting at, he isn't telling people how to play, but if you go into a certain gamemode like Domination, you would think people would want to play that mode as intended and NOT TDM.

           

          I play Domination a lot, and i totally see were the OP is coming from in terms of people camping near the flag, but they'll never try to defend it. Pull your head out of your arse and next time THINK instead of just typing such rubbish.

  • tsttyler Calculating status... 15 posts since
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    tsttyler     May 11, 2012 8:09 PM (in response to kastro187420)

    Well "kill whores" help ez the objective

  • jeepchick CallofDutyModerator 2,386 posts since
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    jeepchick     May 11, 2012 8:45 PM (in response to kastro187420)

    Sometimes I get frusterated too. That's when a few buddies and I do some just for fun games. We've posted a few videos on YouTube (look for YouTubeDude or PrestigeIsKey).

     

    Example - C4 only - DOMINATION WIN

    Another - SMAW only - DOMINATION WIN

     

    Yeah our K/D gets wrecked for one game, but we have a blast being silly and puzzling the other team.  Craziest part is that we always get the win on the first try. Kills only matter in Kill Count gametypes. You can win DOM without firing a shot. Same with many other objective games.

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