Amen to the OP.. Play how you want but don't try to justify whatever to whomever by calling camping "stalking, patrolling...etc."

If you're wondering to yourself, "Is this campy/camping?" The answer is Yes. It is.

Again, play how you want.. It's perfectly cool to camp "because it works" if you're happy with being completely average and lowest common denominator.

Just enough with the stupid labels. Camping is camping. It's still the easiest way to play, and that paired with all the camper friendly equip/perks/weapons is why so many like camping. But they gotta try to come up with terms to make themselves feel like they're doing something more difficult than camping.

1. Going 12-7, regardless of how you play is not superior to a camper going 27-2

2. You loath snipers because your precious SMGs and Shotguns can't reach them

3. You fail at this game, admit it. Their are plenty of people out there that can play just fine against campers. Maybe, instead of being a dot chaser, you actually use your head and stop relying on your Recon Drone.

I would just like to throw something into the mix here !

Camping/Patrolling (except for corner camping and NEVER moving) does in fact take skill.  As does run & gunning and yes even DirtScoping.

It takes skill to wipe your arse, but you don't boast about it.

No one is better or more skilled because they don't utilise a specific tactic.  A truley GOOD player will use ALL available gamestyles or tactics depending on the situation or Map.

There are a couple of maps where my playstyle could be interpreted as camping.  Seatown for example (FFA) I tend to PATROL the main house, there are 3 ways in and plenty of opportunity to throw someting destructive into the mix.

I do not consider my tactics on this map as CAMPING but pratrolling a high traffic area to increase my chances of winning the game.  Why would I run around the map where no one else is playing?

When people call me a camper I just laugh in their face, camp callers are just cry babies.

Dave

DerBatmen wrote:

 

Clearly I struck a note with you so i'll bite.

 

If I'm going around the map and I see someone fixing to run out of the door on my radar of course ill aim at the door so I can shoot him when he comes out.

    With this one, the thing is that 90% of the time people get called campers they are doing something quite similar. They know someone is coming and hold still and prepare to fire ..... they stop to reload, they stop to let their health regenerate ....... they spawn. If I could have a nickel for every time I die instantly, or kill someone instantly at spawn and get called a camper for it, it would surely pay for the game.
     

 

Camping is a cheap way to show skill and is only useful for people who think your KDR gets you laid or gets you a job.
  
    Lol .........  I dont need anything to get me laid ...... and k/d may not get me a job but let me tell you about that. I own a business. Getting the job done is important ..... screwing up getting it done is a bad thing. I think its funny when people mix rl with the game and somehow suggest running around  ... and of course usually with an inferior weapon to show their leetness .... suggest it shows that they will be successful irl. If I have an employee who doesnt use proper tools, or one that is so gung ho that he's always making mistakes ..... he isnt a good employee and wont be mine for very long.
   
 


There is absolutly no tactical reason to camp....
   
    Sure there is. I play every tactic form not moving at all, to running constantly.I admit I'm not that great, but I usually average the same number of kills no matter what tacic I'm using. The big difference is that the more I camp, the more likely I'm going to string together enough kills for some good air support. Are you suggesting air support isnt useful?
    I usually play ffa. Ffa is more of a race than a battle. There is usually some dude running around faster than I can. This gets me .... I dont really uunderstand sometimes that no matter how fast I'm moving I cant seem to get as many kills and deaths combined as soem of these guys get kill/deaths. I meantion kills and deaths for this reason. the winner usually has arond a total of 50-55 k/d combined. They go like 30/25 for example. While me, even running full speed can hadly go a combination of 40. I may be 25/10 or 10/25 ... it doesnt matter. I just cant seem to be in the action enough. I get where to the hotspot and everyone is gone . whatever. Now, this surely means I'm just not that good ...... nobody's fault but my own. But it doesnt make a bit of sesne . tactically .... to try to do something that I know wont happen. What is smart tactically, is to kill the dude who is moving the fastest toward the win. If I stop him from going 30 kills, my 25 is more likely to win.
    Its even more useful in tdm. If I'm running around geting lots of kills, but dying a lot, I'm giving the enemy points and air support.



other then defending a flag or making sure someone doesn't disarm your bomb you just planted. Something tells me you are the guy who goes 59-2 in Domination with 2 flag captures and thinks you are "leet"

    Actually no ......   Although that sounds like a productive game for that guy. If I'm doing my job in dom, I shouldnt have a lot of caps. Every time I let the enemy take/retake a flag, the enemy starts racking up points until we retake it. I dont see where letting the enemy get points makes a bit of sense. The smartest thing to do in dom, (or about any objective mode ) is to hold it once you take it. Its easier to hold an objective than to take it.
     My problem  .. at least where stats are concerned, is that I can't sit around and watch the enemy get points. I can usually hold one flag by myself for most of a match if I'm camping properly, freeing up my teammates to cap to one of the other flags ..... ( note, I said ONE other flag). But instead, my teammates will run around killing people and totally ignoring the objective, or they cap and run letting the enemy immediately take it. Then I get stupid and think its up to me to take and hold 2 ... and that doesnt work well.........

 

I hardly ever blame deaths on camping because campers are idiots and I can flush them out after I die.

     Woudnt it be better to take them out BEFORE you die? ........ Just wondering.

          I think what would be funny is that if everuy time someone went to say the word camper . that something more truthful came out instead.

         How would the truth sound?

       " NO FAIR!! You were hiding. Its not fair to hide"

       " Dang!!~ I forgot to check that corner again after I've been killed there 6 times already"

      " You chose the intelligence profciency ove the reflex proficiency"

       " You saw me first!!! I want  you to run around in the open so maybe I can see you first"

Sometimes I camp, sometimes I run and gun, it all depends on two things, firstly my mood and secondly the opposition.  If the opposition are running about like headless chickens why should I bother to do the same?  If they are camping then I will seek them out by stealth, using recon pro which as far as I can see has no counter.  I have a set up with flash & frag grenades, acr with grenade launcher, and xm25 as secondary.  It's rare that I can't get every enemy appearing as red triangles whether they camp or not, and the best thing is they wont know about it.  I think recon pro is one explanation for a lot of the "how the hell did he know I was there" deaths people often complain about.

Anyway, I genuinely don't care what people think about the way I play.  I play to have fun and always try to win the match, doing what is necessary.  I only play domination so I don't see a problem defending a flag, whether others what to say I'm camping is neither here nor there, I dont care if it wins the match.  I know it is a selfish thing to say but I play for me not to give others enjoyment.