Agreed.

Besides the guns you mentioned..

There's no reason to use the MP412 over the .44 Magnum, or the L118A over the MSR, and the PM9 over the PP90M1.

-MP412 has the same stats as .44 magnum in power, rof, and mag size, but has a significantly longer recoil time and a less tighter hipspread.Possible Solution: I suggest decreasing its reload time from 4s to 2.75 or 2.5s, so it can have a good reload time between .44 magnum and Deagle, while .44 magnum at least has niche of tighter hipspread.

-L118A is the MSR in power, mag size, rof, but has slower reload time and raise/drop times. Possible Solution: Give L118A either a faster reload time or faster raise/drop times.. Or maybe slightly faster ADS time (such as.35 instead of .40s?) or less sway?

-PM9 is the PP90M1 with more recoil, slightly smaller mag size, and significantly smaller range(drops off in damage from 3 to 4 hit kill the the soonest).Possible Solution:I'd like the PM9 to have the same reload (2.4s instead of 3.0s) and/or raise times (.7s instead of 1.2s) as its Uzi counterpart from BO to encourage more use. This buff would still give the PP90M1 and other sms the advantage in less recoil and more range, while making the PM9 more viable to use in CQC. Perhaps with this buff, maybe the MP5 needs a niche of its own too?

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I think my personal biggest issue though in regards to remaining weapon balance that should be prioritized, is reblancing the handgun class by raising the minimum damage of the handguns, as they are weak in this game.  All the handguns in this game(minus the deagle which kills in 4), kill in 6 shots, including the 44magnum and MP412.  Compare this to previous games, where the minimum damage for non magnum/deagles was 20 (or 5 bullets to kill), and 3 hits to kill for magnum/deagles.

This is bad because:

these handguns in MW3, got nerfed for no particular reason when compared to other guns.. For one This makes the magnum and MP412 useless at beyond cqc, as it would take the whole clip to kill, and no point in using over the other pistols at beyond cqc. Secondly, they already have to compete with auto machine pistols that have a faster rate of fire, more range and a significantly larger mag size.

Possible Solution: Increase .44 Magnum, MP412, and Deagle's minimum damage to 31 to 35, and the other handguns to 20 so they can 3 shot and 5 shot kill like previous games,  otherwise they are terribly nerfed and are hardly used as is.

end of proposal..  The first 3 weapons I do want buffed.. But i really really DO think even more--the handguns should be considered to be looked at and have their minimum damages increased to be able to be used effectively as handguns from past games, and to compete with the machine pistols--as there is absolutely no reason to use them over the MP and they are rarely used over them.

Other than that.. I feel like I already asked enough. I wanted the Dragunov patched, and its finally being considered. I think its too much for me to ask anymore. Its all in everyone elses hands if everyone agrees.

*for reference on mw3 weapon stats:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmWEaU8N7NeddEprUWFkQi1ZWFU0eGItNGw zZG1oSXc#gid=0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmWEaU8N7NeddHNhUlJxZ3RMd1NnVUVDNEt mYUR4SWc#gid=0

I am not trying to be a dick but re-balancing weapons after the 6 months the game is out, really? this game should have a beta to begin with, now its to late, you can buff some weak and underused ones by comparing the weapon stats from all players online, but thats it.

I use the AK47, CM901, MP5, SPAS12, Model 1887 a lot, those are great weapons in my opinion, and i wouldn't call them underpowered or underused, of course the ACR and MP7, PP90 are the best weapons in the game and i can't blame people for using them, its just that i (and many others) don't need them to get a good scores, i mean basically every weapon in the game kills with 2-3 bullets.

About the Dragunov, i haven't used it yet but i have seen some people doing well with it while using a ACOG on it.

You guys focus to much on weapon stats, you can't have all weapons being equal stats wise.

People should accept the game for what it is, if the lag and broken matchmaking is fixed (which will be soon) the game will be fine in my opinion.

Have a good day.

Those minor weapon balancing items (PM-9, CM901, Dragunov, etc.) strike me as not-the-best-use-of-resources.  There are plenty of viable SMGs, ARs, snipers, etc.  Having 10 first-rate ARs instead of 8 . . . I can't see that as a huge priority for anyone.

Underpowered weapons only become an issue worth addressing (IMO) when an entire class is underpowered (compare the relatively recent LMG buff).

And the obvious remaining candidate for rebalancing is shotguns -- er, handguns.  The MW3 pistols, as pointed-out above, are useless in their present state -- the MPs outclass them in damage and RoF and swap nearly as fast (esp. w/ everyone using sleight of hand pro).

Rebalancing buffs might include (I'd go further than Arcanine's suggestions):

- cut raise time by 50% for all handguns for an extra-fast swap even w/o SoH;

- fix starting ammo count when akimbo'd;

- magnums do 50-35 damage (2-3 HK) / non-magnums do 40-25 damage (3-4 HK);

- to balance among the three magnum handguns, give the MP412 a faster reload and the Deagle a x2.0 headshot multiplier.

Arcanine2013 wrote:

 

THANK YOU, GHANDI!

 

I have a simple proposal to make the Dragunov usable in this game(as I mentioned months ago).

 

1. Increase its base damage from 70 to 98 (and silenced from 50 to 70)

 

Thanks!

Blah, blah, blah, this was all you had to say.  I'm sold and believe your recommendations are rock solid.  It will let the gun compete while not being any more nooby then the rest of the Snipers.

iif0xh0undii wrote:

 

In regards to what? The shotguns? I'd say that you've received plenty of attention, though that is simply my external observation.

 

Let's shoot a common myth down. They do read the forums. Let this progress naturally.

Then why haven't they posted or had a debate with the members who seek a weapon buff in general?

This is what irks me. We've given our reasons for buffing a weapon. But since they have decided not to, let them give their reasons.