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  • rankismet Master 10,956 posts since
    May 23, 2011
    Currently Being Moderated
    8,780. May 1, 2012 1:12 PM (in response to Moopus)
    Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

    Moopus wrote:

     

    rankismet wrote:

     

    manbearpig862 wrote:

     

    What is one advantage the mp5 has over the pp90?

     

    The pp90 has a much higher rof, has a larger clip, is much more accurate, and kill enemies at same time rate as the mp5 at long range, but being much more accurate, it still has a large advantage over the mp5 at long range, what am I missing?

     

    The weapon balancing for cod is a joke, either people don't care or they just don't know what they are doing, which one is it?

     

    Considering neither are the best SMG... balance seems to be okay.

     

    Jeebus.

     

    PP90 > All others

     

    PP90 with Rapid Fire will dominate the MP7 in almost every situation, excluding long range. It's TTK is crazy, and it's RoF and clip are generous.

     

    Best SMG =/= PP90.

     

    #justsayin

  • K1ller_911 Apprentice 380 posts since
    Jan 18, 2012

    Nope that's the first I've heard of that happening ;) maybe its all in your head

  • Moopus Novice 110 posts since
    Apr 4, 2012

    rankismet wrote:

     

    Best SMG =/= PP90.

     

    #justsayin

     

    PP90 == Best SMG, no doubt.

  • NattyFTW Novice 76 posts since
    Jan 29, 2012

    rankismet wrote:

     

    Moopus wrote:

     

    rankismet wrote:

     

    manbearpig862 wrote:

     

    What is one advantage the mp5 has over the pp90?

     

    The pp90 has a much higher rof, has a larger clip, is much more accurate, and kill enemies at same time rate as the mp5 at long range, but being much more accurate, it still has a large advantage over the mp5 at long range, what am I missing?

     

    The weapon balancing for cod is a joke, either people don't care or they just don't know what they are doing, which one is it?

     

    Considering neither are the best SMG... balance seems to be okay.

     

    Jeebus.

     

    PP90 > All others

     

    PP90 with Rapid Fire will dominate the MP7 in almost every situation, excluding long range. It's TTK is crazy, and it's RoF and clip are generous.

     

    Best SMG =/= PP90.

     

    #justsayin

     

    PP90 is hands down the best for TTK in close quarters situations, for mid range there's the UMP and P90 and for long range there's the MP7. So if you're full on rushing go for a PP, if you're rushing but being defensive too then go for a UMP or P90 and for a sniper rifle go for the MP7.

  • bubbacake Expert 590 posts since
    Dec 25, 2011

    OK, IW. You had it your way. Shotguns are rubbish and will remain rubbish until the end of time.

     

    However, what you have failed to provide is your team's reasons for not buffing them.

     

    Despite the players having given you statistics, video evidence, suggestions, etc. Yet they decide to not buff them and now you are mute on reasons.

     

    If you don't give an explanation, that shows 1 or more things.

     

    1) IW has some prejudice against shotguns and does not want a fair debate on the subject.

     

    2) IW is trying to cater to the brats that cry when they get killed by a shotgun and can't deal with it.

     

    And I also love the fact that IW is fine with quickscoping (in fact, encouraging it) and allows a sniper rifle to be a better shotgun than the SPAS-12.

     

    "Here's a real shotgun, the Barret 50 Cal., and plus it's semi automatic, so if you go into close range combat, you can use it just like a Striker. Then, it can be used like a Modern Warfare 2 SPAS-12 with its sniping ability."

     

    - xcalizorz

  • dexter1992 Apprentice 1,113 posts since
    Sep 21, 2011

    One of the many reason why I am disliking MW3 is the quick scopers. Before you can even aim down your sights a QS will kill you instantly. I wan to use shotguns but they are crap. Liberation is not as bad as Black Box for snipers.Maybe if we still had the Juggernaut perk to combat Stopping Power it would not be an issue.

  • ondsnap Apprentice 351 posts since
    Sep 22, 2011

    Nothing like grabbing your litte PP before doing some killing close quarter style...

  • anoreo Master 13,698 posts since
    May 23, 2011

    They renamed it dead silence because they were tricking us into thinking this was Call of Duty 4 2. That is also why they used Extreme Conditioning rather than Marathon.

  • anoreo Master 13,698 posts since
    May 23, 2011

    Whether the PP90 is the best SMG is irrelevant, the fact is, the MP5 has NOTHING on the PP90. It's one thing to say, well, the fire rate on the PM9 is not worth the cost of recoil, so I will use something else, it's the fact that they are the exact same gun, but the PP90 being superior.

  • mdub Expert 1,760 posts since
    Sep 19, 2011
    Currently Being Moderated
    8,789. May 1, 2012 5:56 PM (in response to anoreo)
    Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

    anoreo wrote:

     

    Whether the PP90 is the best SMG is irrelevant, the fact is, the MP5 has NOTHING on the PP90. It's one thing to say, well, the fire rate on the PM9 is not worth the cost of recoil, so I will use something else, it's the fact that they are the exact same gun, but the PP90 being superior.

    Dont worry about it. The devs in charge of guns said the weapons are balanced. Its clear that they know what they're doing

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