Moopus wrote:

 

dastealth wrote:

 

So what you are really complaining about is the fact that you have to be more accurate in order to kill with a shotgun. This would not be a problem if the hit detection/lag comp was fixed. As I said if we get this issue fixed the problem will most likely dissipate somewhat. If the issues are still prominent after that then a fair reassessment should be made. I have seen what Brick has said in his shotgun buff/balance thread and I looked at that and laughed to myself. Take into consideration that perhaps more damage on shotguns is not going to solve the solution for you but may infact cause you more problems (See VIMS Model example video like 50 pages ago.)

 

@Bubba - Asking which takes more skill - Auto or Shotty, is like asking which takes more skill - Semi-Auto or Bolt Action Snipers? Both have their good and bad points. Neither take more skill to use but I would generally agree that Shotguns take more skill to MASTER both the gun & technique.

 

Also on a side note there is a slight delay between screens even in LAN/Split Screen.

 

"So what you are really complaining about is the fact that you have to be more accurate in order to kill with a shotgun". That makes sense. So I can control the random spread of a shotgun? Can you tell me how? Because as far as I know, Random = Random.

Wouldn't a simple fix to be to double the pellets and half the damage? Or even add 50 percent more pellets and lower the damage by 50 percent?

Moopus wrote:

 

 

"So what you are really complaining about is the fact that you have to be more accurate in order to kill with a shotgun". That makes sense. So I can control the random spread of a shotgun? Can you tell me how? Because as far as I know, Random = Random.

Random does in fact equal random. Perhaps what you are suggesting here is a pattern in which the pellets are spread across to increase the consistency of the amount of hits. Or as said above, adding more pellets & reducing the damage so that a better hit correllation can be made. Possibly one of the best solutions to make pellet spread the most accurate is to create an invisible pellet spread "circle" come out when you shoot a shotgun and base the damage dealt on what percentage of the "circle" makes contact with the enemy. This way it would always be exactly the same no matter what.

iif0xh0undii wrote:

 

 

The spawn system should be based on teams, not individuals. I believe that the spawn logic is correct in spawning users away from their original spawn and to the new one if the enemy has pressed evenly in. Does this favor premades? Yes. Is it the developers fault if someone wants to rambo in and throw the spawns into chaos? Absolutely not.

 

In my experiences, we have captured the A flag on Mission and the enemy has spawned around us at C, but not on top of us. Seldom do I ever have someone spawn directly behind me as documented by some people. Neither do I spawn directly in front of a kill lane.

 

I'd also like to state that I have not spoken on or about the average person's experience till now. I have only spoken of my own experiences which were discounted as lies and luck. If you follow this conversation from the beginning of my post till now, you can see what I mean.

 

Really, this is ridiculous.

All I know is spawns are just as bad in other game modes, including TDM and even FFA for that matter.

In TDM, on Mission my team will push from the Church all the way up to the dirt hill and I won't go anywhere further than the wooden stairs in front of the church.  All I have to do is turn around and pick people off as they spawn behind me.

In the new community gametype All or Nothing, two people are pretty much guaranteed to spawn NEXT to each other at the start of the match, and often during it.  It happens so often that when the match starts, I run backwards instead of forwards just so I don't get shot in the back.

Perhaps these are due to different issues, but they are spawn issues none the less.

Furthermore, now that I think about it... you say spawns should be based on your team?  I almost exclusively play HC:TDM.  I almost NEVER spawn with any of my teammates.  I tend to spawn as far away from them as possible in many cases.  I'd prefer to spawn with them, though I guess if enemies are right on top of them that might be pretty bad.  I don't know if that's why it is, but something doesn't seem right there.

I don't recall having these kinds of spawn issues in other multiplayer games, like Halo.  I'm usually spawning right with at least a teammate or two.

Perhaps the issue is simply not enough spawn points on a given map making the logic limited?  I dunno.  I have no idea what goes into map making and resource constraints, etc.

If they could implement a system like what Black Ops did for their DLC they would be wise. Unfortunately I'm not sure if they are actually able to do this with their game build.