I would have to agree with you on that but I also agree that something needs to be done to the MW3 shotguns except the Striker because it's already good and not over powered anymore but the other shotguns need to be given a reliable range because almost every gun in MW3 has a reliable range meaning at that range and the amount of shots will always end up to be a 1 second kill I think that is why everybody complains about the shotguns being too weak because sometimes even when your accuracy is 100 percent and you are right next to them you get a hit marker and it takes more then a second to kill them all I am saying is that the shotguns need a reliable range so they can be just as useful as any other primary weapon because they are a primary weapon and need to be able to compete with other primary weapons if they were secondary just like MW2 I would say leave the shotguns alone but they are not so they need a damage buff or range buff and for the AA-12's case an ammo buff and as for the KSG-12 an accuracy buff to make the shot alittle more compact if they were to buff the shotguns it will make them useful just like the other primary guns.

NattyFTW wrote:

 

rankismet wrote:

 

Simples...

 

... generalizations of "most" coupled with yanked out the bum percenatges topped off with a healthy dose of "no talent", "ditch your party", and " rush, yes no camping or headglitching with a type." set my teeth on edge.

 

The chaotic spawns are a result of the over emphasis of the payback system which teams can limit by controlling the map. A tactic you you seem the think is spawn trapping... and it's not. It's just map control... and you can prevent the other squad from spawning behind you.

 

That large player base that plays on their own... whinges about spawns... not noticing that the very nature of playing the game on their own and chicken heading to and fro is one the main reasons the spawns yin and yang like a kid in an ice cream store torn between chocolate and vanilla. So... when no one works together in a team based game... spawns flip like mad... and everyone blames the game.

 

And you seemed to have an issue with teams since Fox commented on his game experience by playing with a squad...

 

... something that makes the game more fun than playing with 5 other random, self absorbed, lone wolfs in a team environment.

 

 

Again... feel free to play FFA.

 

No teams there.

The fact you even mention FFA shows me you are clueless, if you played it for 5 minutes you would see how shockingly bad the spawns in that gametype are.

 

No I don't have an issue with teams, you're putting words into my mouth. I said that Fox only plays with teams, therefore not experiencing what such a vast portion of the community faces, as you have a problem with estimates I will not try and give a figure.

 

The best games support multiple styles of play and if I want to rush I should be able to do this without the enemy that I just killed respawning behind me, it's as simple as that. If you disagree then you disagree.

 

Natty.

Yeah, bro... I'm clueless... you are so right.

This was my first time on this forum and I've only been playing COD for 3.6 hours.

I bow to your knowledge of all things spawn and should worhsip your rushing skills as they are paramour to anything I could say.

As promised I followed up with the MP design team on a number of weapon and game balance issues today:

Shotguns will remain at their current settings.

We shall begin testing of new Dragunov stats that buff the weapon but do not break the intra sniper class balance.

The radius of Dead Man's Hand efficacy will be reduced.

I'll update this forum wiith details and ETAs when I receive them from the team.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II

Adam1235678 wrote:

 

@ G IH A IN ID II

So what did you think of my game modes?

Sorry Adam I haven't had a second to check on them yet. I will though I promise.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II

Moopus wrote:

 

dastealth wrote:

 

Moopus wrote:

 

We've all had those WTFOMGBBQ long one shot kills. Just because a shotgun can do that doesn't mean it will do it every time. I've had a couple of those, but they were with the Range proficiency on. Bottom line is, the manual actions are down-right inconsistant, which should never happen.

As I have said previously, MOST of the time the inconsistencies are with connectivity. As I have also said, I have also had the moments where it looks like I should have clearly gotten a kill with the gun, but that happens on all guns including AR's. The MK14 is a classic example. I can shoot fairly fast and have watched a final killcam where my Little Red Dot on my RDS was directly over the enemies chest and I shot 7 bullets. The First and 7th bullet registered thereby giving me the kill but what happened to the other 5 bullet? There is major issues with connectivity & hit detection. I would recommend that until these issues are somewhat "fixed" that shotguns not be buffed so that we can see the true effect it is having on the shotguns.

 

Actually, most of the inconsistencies are because the manual actions now take 3 out of 8 pellets to kill. In CoD4, MW2, and Blops, it was 2/8. Connectivity is not having as of an effect on Shotties as you think. Shotties are inconsistent in LAN/Split-Screen too.

So what you are really complaining about is the fact that you have to be more accurate in order to kill with a shotgun. This would not be a problem if the hit detection/lag comp was fixed. As I said if we get this issue fixed the problem will most likely dissipate somewhat. If the issues are still prominent after that then a fair reassessment should be made. I have seen what Brick has said in his shotgun buff/balance thread and I looked at that and laughed to myself. Take into consideration that perhaps more damage on shotguns is not going to solve the solution for you but may infact cause you more problems (See VIMS Model example video like 50 pages ago.)

@Bubba - Asking which takes more skill - Auto or Shotty, is like asking which takes more skill - Semi-Auto or Bolt Action Snipers? Both have their good and bad points. Neither take more skill to use but I would generally agree that Shotguns take more skill to MASTER both the gun & technique.

Also on a side note there is a slight delay between screens even in LAN/Split Screen.