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  • fabytm Newbie 29 posts since
    Jan 3, 2012

    People got pissed with MW3 and the whole elite BS, Black Ops sold more copies of DLCs!

  • mw3lag Apprentice 145 posts since
    Dec 20, 2011

    Ghandi please check the pm i sent you, i mentioned it 3 times on this forum, but seems to have got lost in these longggg back and forths you have with operator-1 and maccabi lol. A reply would be much appreciated.

     

    Thanks!

  • vims1990 Master 7,497 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
    Currently Being Moderated
    8,572. Apr 30, 2012 4:10 AM (in response to BAMOZZY)
    Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

    WAW matchmaking system was much worse. I did not like the fact that you get kicked out everytime a new map showed up & you had to keep continuosly back out until you found a game with the maps on the disc.

     

    The problem with MW3's matchmaking system is how many different groups you have to split up the matchmaking up to:

     

    - Premium Members

    - Non-Premium 

    - Players who don't own any of the new maps

     

    This generally will make the matchmaking much slower & hard to fill up lobbies. It's going to get much worse as time goes on.

     

    The reason why it worked so well in Black Ops was that there was two specific groups:

     

    - Players who buy the map pack

    - Players who don't buy the map pack

     

    So matchmaking was much faster compared to MW3 when you didn't have to split the matchmaking for so many groups.

     

    I hope Treyarch sticks to the same DLC model similar to Black Ops.

    As a premium member, I'd rather get 4 multiplayer maps + 1 zombie map every 3 to 4 months than getting 1 or 2 maps per month.

     

    MW3's DLC model is terrible for matchmaking. There's too many groups to cater to. It's one of the reasons why I struggle to find a full lobby on the new maps.

  • fabytm Newbie 29 posts since
    Jan 3, 2012

    Non-premium and players who buy the DLC isn't the same thing?

  • vims1990 Master 7,497 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
    Currently Being Moderated
    8,574. Apr 30, 2012 3:54 AM (in response to fabytm)
    Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

    fabytm wrote:

     

    Non-premium and players who buy the DLC isn't the same thing?

     

    Edited for clarification

  • BAMOZZY Novice 116 posts since
    Oct 9, 2011

    You have got this all wrong!!!

     

    Elite members get the maps early BUT can only play those maps in an Elite playlist!!

     

    Non premium members cannot buy the maps until they are released in a collection which are released every 2months or so - they CANNOT buy the maps individually or get the maps released to Elite members any other way than in a collection, so the general playlists are still split by those that have and do not have those Maps (Elite only maps like Sanctuary and Foundation are NOT added to those playlists)

     

    Elite members and Non-subscribers that have bought collection 1 will have the maps in the general playlist. So this should be split exactly the same as Black Ops as you will have exactly the same split in the General playlists - those with and those without.

  • fabytm Newbie 29 posts since
    Jan 3, 2012

    I knew he got it wrong, you can only get them in a collection if you haven't got elite!

  • maccabi Master 11,779 posts since
    May 31, 2011

    G IH A IN ID II wrote:

     

    The reason is that the MP designers want it to function in the way it currently does.

     

    Since this has rapidly become the forum once more for all subjective requests I'll ask the MP team once more if they wish to change the setting. How's that?

     

    Cheers,

     

    G IH A IN ID II

    Please ask them as well why they made it twice the range of c4

     

    This is exactly the point i was making before about who do you make games for (i'll cite you guys' mantra of  "we listen to the community" ) and again you've fallen back on the "we dont think it's an issue as a reason.

     

    anyways I promse this will be my absolute last comment/post about dead mans hand...

     

    This morning I did the following

     

    ... a quick youtube search with the words dead man hand alone give nearly 30k videos all complaining about its range. The replies on those videos agreeing go into the 100's of 1000's .if you add words like overpowered or range or blast radius you get 1000s of videos complaing,

    theres also 100's of videos showing the radius is twice that of c4 and larger than a predator missle (srsly?)

     

    Wierdly cant find any video stating dead mans hand is fine (theres one entitled dead mans hand is good but after watching it turns out that was a sarcastic title showing the video uploader being killed from a huge distance by using dead mans hand. )

     

    Also went back through twitter accounts of both 402 and the main callofduty and IW , same thing 1000's of nerf comments, not one single dead mans hand is fine comment. The nearest ones basically were replies from other cod communities members defending your decision to add death streaks but wierdly agreeing that dead mans hand was too big a blast radius.

    Same on the facebook account.. 100's of comments in reply to statuses saying nerf dead mans hand

    this forum well think you can eailsy gauge the feelings here ..

     

    and im pretty certain we all know what the result would be if you put the question of should deads man hand have its blast radius reduced to the community as a whole.

     

    End of the day Ghandi we arent being unreasonable in fact this is probably one of the few things you can say the community is one voiced over.. We aren't calling for its removal only that its made fair and as balanced as a death streak can be given that in reality a death streak has nothing to balance it with.

     

    I get the arguement you want to give bad or unlucky players (wont say new) a helping hand, but this mentality implies the only thing the devs think we care about is killing someone. (throws in sarcastic comment about lack of objective stats). The truth is people die they want to get back in the action.. (or rage quit) which is why like alot of people apart from my team defender class all my other classes usually have juiced as a deathstreak.

    I've said it before but i use dmh's on team defender as its the best weapon to clear out a team camping, its alot easier to get killed 5 times than to kill 5 times to get a predator and a pred unlike dmhs doesnt work inside and its (the preds) blast radius is lower. Theres just no logic involved here.

     

    As i've said previously its just another one of those "little" things that make the entire mw3 playing expereince annoying and ruins your customers enjoyment.

     

    In the grand scheme of things its an easy 5 min change (its just a number), I doubt anyone would actually complain it got a blast reduction but i am pretty certain there would be a heck of alot of people thanking you.

     

    /end diatribe goes back to working

     

     

    and its not so much subjective requests, once you get past the multitude of network related posts, most of the posts by the community on this thread have been suggestions or requests to make the game better for everyone by pointing out what everyone complains about the most.

  • vims1990 Master 7,497 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
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    8,578. Apr 30, 2012 4:10 AM (in response to BAMOZZY)
    Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

    Sorry, got mixed up by comparing by consoles (XBOX/PS3/PC) instead of free/premium membership. **Facepalm moment**

     

    (Again, edited my post for corrections)

     

    But I still stand by the fact that the Black Ops DLC model was much better in handling matchmaking. Finding matches was much faster compared to MW3.

  • fabytm Newbie 29 posts since
    Jan 3, 2012

    Black ops matchmaking is much better in general, let alone map packs!Yesterday I played with 5 friends in a party and it found a match almost instantly while in MW3 we have to wait around 1 minute to find a player and then it takes 2-3 minutes to wait for people to join...we also had horrible connection, while in BO it was much better!

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