dean66s wrote:
redraider why so hostile against maccabi its his opinion only take it or leave it. The only way you can test latency is with ping not bandwidth as a ping is a tiny packet that is only affected by actual line speed, quality and routing as I said I throttled my bandwidht and still got 4 bars in games even though I was lagging all over the screen like a kangaroo on crack.
You want me to stroke his epeen when he responds to me like this:
maccabi wrote:
RedRaider wrote:
This is based on the assumption that their lag compensation is primarily directed at ping and it's disparity. The proven methodology to resolve the issue doesn't involve ping at all but limiting bandwidth. Science once tried to blame ice cream for polio because they assumed that the correlation to sales and new cases linked the two but we all now know that ice cream doesn't cause polio. Ping is widely accepted as the end all be all of lag issues in gaming but we don't know that there is a ping issue at all because we can't see our ping to the host and the ping of others and again the method for resolving the issue is restricting bandwidth.
Please refer to my earlier comments about people not having a clue and commenting from an uninformed position.,
there is no assumption, what do you think lag compensation "compensates" for ..#facepalm
RedRaider wrote:
We can sling mud all day
To be fair we're not really slinging mud, you're throwing it up in the air and its landing on you. im just sitting back.
RedRaider wrote:
Either explain why you think it's ping disparity in the face of throttling's functional resolution or quit belittling people who are sick of being arbitrarily placed in a losing position by a company that certainly made enough money to fix the issue where their best experiences with a product is watching youtube video's of people who have the game working like a charm.
It's not belittling,with the greatest of respect you havent got a clue what your talking about, you've just proven this, the fact you disagree with me (and the devs and id guess about 99% of the forum/community/gamers )shouldnt be taken as a sign of belittling it should be a hint that you really need to research stuff or at least read one of the 1000000's of threads on the subject and get an idea before replying.
Here is the thing Dean,
Maccabi is doing what anyone would do. Blame ping because accepted theory is that lag compensation is used to address latency. The problem I have with this theory is that I have tried artificially inducing latency and I didn't get the benifit of lag compensation that people who restrict their bandwidth do get. I did get slightly degraded performance just as I would expect from trying to connect a match 5000 miles away but I still experience out of sync hit detection issues. If the out of sync hit detection issue is a result of ping based lag compensation I would have been a benificiary at some point when playing in the UK lobby but I still experienced the same issue.
Outside of that I get what they are saying entirely. The issue may not even be lag compensation but some arbitrary glitch that inserts players into a different server time than others. Throttling bandwidth would certainly effect matchmaking, host choosing, and load times so somewhere in there a check might be performed to either apply compensation based on restricted bandwidth or the point at which a person loads into a map based on server connection and not loading the graphical data could also be a culprit. In the end, blaming ping can't be proven because we don't know what our ping is to the host and we don't know what variables are taken into account when determining lag compensation.
Maccabi keeps saying I don't know what lag comp is because lag comp addresses latency issues but that isn't all it addresses. Lag compensation also addresses packet loss and temporary disconnects which are not latency but a complete lack of connection by allowing the players actions to continue for a while prior to either disconnecting the player or updating the server on reconnect. This is where interpolation can make people run in a straight line until they hit a wall, fall off a cliff, or fire an entire magazine of ammo into no where. Interpolation simply assumes that the person is performing the same action until it re-establishes a connection but if the person is using a lag switch they are using interpolation to their advantage. It would allow them to pop around a corner and kill an enemy before the enemy has a chance to react and it would make them very hard to hit if hit detection was determined serverside instead of clientside. Sound familiar?
The problem is there isn't an evil army of players out there who are using lag switches but a disconnect between the syncronization of players within the server. It's my opinion that the server is disconnecting the physical representation of a player from the hitmodel of the player causing players to miss their target even if they are hitting the visible model. You see this kind of thing in kill cams when a bullet kills someone and makes a blood splatter a yard away from their visible model but that is generally the server providing an inaccurate representation of events without compensation applied. When you see this and it doesn't make sense is the many video's out there of people recording their escapades with a capture card and getting kills by firing bullets that miss their target by a fairly large margin. The system shouldn't be seperating the visual representation from the hit model from the point of view of the player. It is though and latency isn't the reason why.
