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ukvampire2010 Newbie
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Apr 11, 2012 12:25 AM

Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

It is ridiculous how many people are running round using the most over powered weapon in the game...The ShotGun (any of them) I was playing a match yesterday after a small break and on a team of 6 5 of them had shotguns and it was practically impossible to touch them at all.

 

I was under the impression that this had been resolved in game?? If anything it seems to have gotten worse to the point you can pretty much use it the same as a quick scoper would use a sniper rifle.

Tags: sniper, shotguns
  • poisonvein7 Apprentice
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    Apr 11, 2012 12:40 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    if u know there all using shotguns just stay back and dont move so much so u can keep the fights mid to long range and ull win every time dont just keep rushing back into allys and small places were u know ur more likly to lose

  • Eqvvs Novice
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    Apr 11, 2012 12:49 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    Fight fire with fire! They used to annoy me so I created a shotgun class stuck on the Striker if a games over-run with them guess what I put on!?

    • shmedlywilcox88 Apprentice
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      Apr 17, 2012 12:39 PM (in response to Eqvvs)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      I did the same thing.  Shotguns and over powered FMG's get so annoying that I made a class called the "douchebag" class for when they make me mad about it.  It has a USAS12 with Range and Dual FMG akimbos.  I hate playing that way so I've gotta be pretty annoyed before I use it.  Rather than quit, I piss them off by playing them back the same way.  Usually it doesn't take too many deaths before they switch to something else and then I can swithc back to my normal class too. 

  • poisonvein7 Apprentice
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    Apr 11, 2012 12:52 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    doin that wont fix anything either, thatll just turn into "i shot him 1st" as it is with lagging and knifing and u coulda swore u knifed 1st but he knifed u instead. bottom line, if every1s using shotguns the blame will just turn to lag and connection blah blah blah.

  • acrididae Apprentice
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    Apr 11, 2012 3:00 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    I'd beg to differ on the shotguns, though I've been getting killed tonight with people using range on it like mad, but I"m using the Model 1887 with it, and I shoot people dead on, and if that pellet spread doesn't hit the body all that right, you'll more then likely get really miffed for not getting a kill you feel you deserved. I've been so mad that I can't use the MK-14 because of the horrible lag comp and matchmaking recently, that I've resorted to the horrible most used ACR 6.8. Originality is dead to me at the moment. lol

    • Eqvvs Novice
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      Apr 11, 2012 3:23 AM (in response to acrididae)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      See I use all the weapons people moan about on here striker -check, acr - check, mp7 - check but I am BAD at this game I need all the 'cheap kills'  (as I'm regularly told)I can get. My opinion that is if I like it and it works for me and make my enjoyment of the game more then why the hell not!  thats why we all play this game, right?

  • thebiindsniper Master
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    Apr 11, 2012 3:21 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    This argument is a result of the follwing:

     

    1. You're playing on "Hardcore"

    2. People are using the Striker.

     

    Other than that, I've never really heard anybody refer to the shotguns as overpowered.  A majority of players call them "underpowered".


    ~RUGGED SAVIOR

     

    http://www.youtube.com/ruggedsavior


  • pbomadbrute Novice
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    Apr 11, 2012 3:27 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    how do u figure that the shotguns (other then the striker) is overpowering have u ever tryed using em u will find it takes alot of trail and error to get close to kill with them maybe u need to play with a ksg one day and find out

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    Apr 11, 2012 3:27 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    More shotgun complaints? I was playing core Dom 2 nights ago on Bootleg and got a MOAB with a silenced KSG. Lulz were had on my team for that filthy MOAB. if you don't want to deal with shotgun users, play hardcore so you can kill them from farther away in fewer bullets.

    • Apprentice
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      Apr 17, 2012 12:06 PM (in response to Aero_Stryker)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      Aero_Stryker wrote:

       

      More shotgun complaints? I was playing core Dom 2 nights ago on Bootleg and got a MOAB with a silenced KSG. Lulz were had on my team for that filthy MOAB. if you don't want to deal with shotgun users, play hardcore so you can kill them from farther away in fewer bullets.

       

      What impact does a silencer have on the damage? Or is it just the range? i.e. If i'm rocking a shotty with silencer and range does that equate to same as stadard shotty? Still 1 hit kill in HC?

  • xFANCY_KIWIx Apprentice
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    Apr 11, 2012 6:53 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    Not sure if you know this but this game is based on CQB so shotguns are going to be hard to beat. Also snipers aren't a close ange weapon which shotguns are so to answer your question, no shotguns are not the new sniper.

  • gominomi Expert
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    Apr 11, 2012 7:17 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    you're complaining about shotguns?? have you tried to even use them yet?? i think you just aren't good...lol

  • Esy Master
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    Apr 11, 2012 7:37 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    Shotguns are supposed to be dominant at close range...and they're useless anywhere beyond that. If you're playing against a whole team of shotgunners simply stick to long lines of sight and pick them off. Or whip out a shotgun or SMG with a faster ttk (PM-9, PP90) and take them out in CQC. Shotguns are not overpowered. People who use the Striker every game and gold it every prestige are pathetic, but there are weapons like that in every class.

    • W7PSK Expert
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      Apr 11, 2012 9:33 AM (in response to Esy)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      Yea shot guns ... Its soo nice when your next to the corner

      of the TV Station at the bottom of the map on Mission

      and the Shotgun dude is at the broken bridge and you die

      in one shot.

       

      Yea they need a buff,  RIIIGGGHT

       

      And I won the Mega Lottery.

      • Brick2urFace Master
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        Apr 11, 2012 10:30 AM (in response to W7PSK)
        Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

        The buff that shotgunners want won't change its damage at range at all.  The buff we want is in the form of more close range damage.  This has a minimal effect on damage at range.  Less than 3 ft added to the pump's expected lethal one shot kill range.  And frankly I am asuming you havent used shotguns much because If you had used pumps you would know how bad they are in mw3.  To get a one shot kill past 13m  you need dead on accuracy.  Considering that hip fire aim assist for smgs start at 18.5 meters and most of the smgs do max damage out to 16m+ and steady aim turn hipfire into a lethal tool for smgs, that means that hipfiring an smg will be more effective than a shotgun in almost every case.

         

        I can destroy one second and get a hitmarker from 10 feet with a specialist bonus ksg.  That should never happen.  No other gun in mw3 suffers from this caliber of bs.

         

  • gvfd732 Newbie
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    Apr 11, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    I personally hate shotguns, however this is my choice. The way I look at it is if I allow a shotty user in at close range then I should die. no questions asked. However my main issue with shotties is that I have been killed from AR and SMG ranges from shotties and that in my opinion really takes away for any realism this game might have had to start with.

    • Brick2urFace Master
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      Apr 11, 2012 11:12 AM (in response to gvfd732)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      I think you should know that 00buck shot is lethal to large animals out to 40+ yards easily.  00buck is 33 caliber a 9mm pistol round is only 35 caliber.  The range that buckshot starts to really bleed velocity is aroung 45 yards. 

       

      Buckshot tables are near the bottom. 

       

      http://www.frfrogspad.com/extbal2.htm

    • Cons72 Apprentice
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      Apr 17, 2012 12:31 PM (in response to gvfd732)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      I don't think I have ever been killed by a shotgun at what I consider AR ranges, or if I have it is less than a handful of times.

       

      Even at anything outside of probably 10 meters, I have probably only been killed with relative consistency by Striker users taking multiple shots to get me.

       

      I rarely die from outside of 10 meters to a pump action shotgun.

       

      Using a pump action shotgun, I can vefify I have gotten kills in one hit outside of 10 meters at times, but I also get hitmarkers at point blank range more often than I get long range kills.

       

      And I have no idea if the guy I kill at long range might already be injured.

  • Moon Head 92 Expert
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    Apr 11, 2012 11:02 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    Sniper rifles - The New Shotgun???? On a serious note i KNEW once they buffed them the 12 year olds would start whinging and calling them OP... seriously if you can't deal with a shotgun user you're just bad.

    • Brick2urFace Master
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      Apr 11, 2012 11:14 AM (in response to Moon Head 92)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      Lol they didn't even buff them.  The spas is the only shotgun that actually had anything changed.  But the pre patch spas with emags and range is better at every range than this current spas with damage.  That is how good IW is at balancing shotguns.

      • Moon Head 92 Expert
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        Apr 11, 2012 2:49 PM (in response to Brick2urFace)
        Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

        The KSG seems to kill at base level finally, the model not too sure on as i have never liked it.

        • Brick2urFace Master
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          Apr 11, 2012 3:14 PM (in response to Moon Head 92)
          Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

          Yeah they made the 9 pellets that emags used to give come standard on the ksg.  For people that already had shotguns to max level there was no buff.  The usas and fire 9 pellets by default, the aa12 was strait up nerfed with the removal of emags,  the 1887 was absolutely untouched, and the spas was changed from 25-5 to 30-14 but the elimination of emags glitch has made it unreliable up close.  There really isn't a reason to use the ksg in mw3, its one extra pellet does almost nothing for its reliability and I do find it lacking range on maps other than mission, sea town, and lockdown.

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    Apr 11, 2012 12:12 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    how to kill shotgunners: pick your favorite easy mode noob crutch (acr, mp7, dildo gun) and stay the hell away from them, fire at range so far away that SMGs shouldnt be able to hit (but do) and ACRs still laserbeam people.

     

    i repeat, if you dont like shotguns just stay the hell away.

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    Apr 11, 2012 12:28 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    I run a Model 1887 class occasionally... If you get good with the model, you constantly feel badass. The lever action after each shot, and watching your enemies fall... It's epic. It really is. It's not an easy shotgun to master, but I've definitely pulled off some crazy mid-range bullshit shots. With that being said, the model has the highest range of any of the shotguns.

    • Apprentice
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      Apr 17, 2012 12:20 PM (in response to xCafeDelMar)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      xCafeDelMar wrote:

       

      I run a Model 1887 class occasionally... If you get good with the model, you constantly feel badass. The lever action after each shot, and watching your enemies fall... It's epic. It really is. It's not an easy shotgun to master, but I've definitely pulled off some crazy mid-range bullshit shots. With that being said, the model has the highest range of any of the shotguns.

      Same, have one specialist class for when I feel like it... Rest of the time its USAS for me. 1887 is the fecking nuts!

  • Hardhat94 Expert
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    Apr 11, 2012 3:49 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    You are mistaken.. The shotguns aren't overpowered at all, and are not essentially the same as quickscoping. Shotgungs are supposed to win cqc MOST of the time. Quit complaining about them, when they are beating you in their best range.

     

    If you've ever actually extensively used any shotgun, you will know that it actually takes skill to use them efficiently. If anything, the shotguns are underpowered.

     

    Example: In mw2, the spas-12, aa12, model, and striker, were all better than they are in mw3, and they were SECONDARIES.

    • kuhnie Novice
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      Apr 11, 2012 3:41 PM (in response to Hardhat94)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      I am always impressed by any shotgun user exept the striker and USAS. The others were made to hitmarker I've played with them and im like "**** boy you just took 10 pellets to the face "

      • Hardhat94 Expert
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        Apr 11, 2012 3:48 PM (in response to kuhnie)
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        seriously. Try leveling up the model 1887, you'll probably sh*t your pants when you see how many times someone will take point blank blasts to the chest and live to tell the tale.

      • Apprentice
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        Apr 17, 2012 12:09 PM (in response to kuhnie)
        Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

        kuhnie wrote:

         

        I am always impressed by any shotgun user exept the striker and USAS. The others were made to hitmarker I've played with them and im like "**** boy you just took 10 pellets to the face "

        Whats wrong with the USAS? Rate of fire is not that fast and in all honesty I'm hoping for a 1 hit kill with any of them. I never use the Striker, because frankly its to easy in every way.

    • Brick2urFace Master
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      Apr 11, 2012 3:55 PM (in response to Hardhat94)
      Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

      They really screwed up the mw3 aa12.  There is not a single redeeming quality about that weapon.  Terrible ammo, therrible reloads, terrible range, and terrible damage all rolled into one big ball of crap. 

       

      The pumps are okay at range but they have very poor damage output up close.  This makes them unreliable in the range where they should be the most reliable.  It doesn't make sense that they made the spas, 1887, and ksg take 4 pellets to kill by default.  That is absolute crap.  They should be 3 pellets by default and 2 with damage.  It doesn't make sense, they built stopping power into the close range damage of all the other primaries in mw3 but shotguns have less than even their regular damage up close without the damage proficiency.  The damage proficiency gives makes the pumps basicly a stock shotgun from mw2 with less total range, and less range to the damage drop. 

       

      In sumery the other primaries in mw3 have stopping power built in up close, normal damage at range, and less range to the damage drop.  Shotguns have been discriminated against in mw3.

  • atiredoldguy Expert
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    Apr 11, 2012 6:09 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

       I think this is just a prime example of people crying op about a weapon without ever putting any time in trying it out to see if their complaint are legit.

     

        Anyone who has any time in with any of the shotties, .......... yes the striker included ....... know that its a chore to even go positive with one.

     

        Sure ...... sometimes you get an awesome kill or even like a few times with the striker I've run down a hallway mowing down enemies like I just detonated a moab ....... but for every one of those you get you'll get 3 or 4 WTF!!! I just pumped 5 shots in the back of a dude's head from 3 feet away just to have him turn around and drop me.

  • Moon Head 92 Expert
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    Apr 14, 2012 2:33 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    Got the spas to level 30 with damage... and it's still inconsistant...

  • grif77775 Expert
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    Apr 17, 2012 10:59 AM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    maybe if you kept your distance you wouldn't have a problem

  • dstr001 Master
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    Apr 17, 2012 12:10 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    For the love of......

     

    It took us this long to get the shotties back to a semi decent standard, albeit they are still unreliable, but please don't start threads like this just because you got killed by one.

     

    It is easier to get a OHK quickscope in this game than it is to get a OHK consistently with a shotgun.

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    Apr 17, 2012 12:18 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    C4 em in the face.

     

    Usually works.

  • Run_N_Gunning_Camper Master
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    Apr 17, 2012 12:30 PM (in response to ukvampire2010)
    Re: Shotguns - The New Sniper Rifle????

    Try using them and you'll know they're not overpowered. I think you got owned by a group running shotties because you tried hard engaging them in CQC. Try engaging them from a distance and know their weaknesses. Use their weakness to your advantage. You won't have a lot of success if you don't try to adopt and insist on your playstyle that doesn't seem to work well against shotties.

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