Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 10:40 AM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
I struggle with objective based games for this reason. I want to complete the objective and win the game, what ever the objective is. Often you see the Moab videos on YouTube taking pace during an objective game which really annoys me. The rest of the team are focused on the objective but that person wants to kill whore, for themselves. If this was team death match then I would not have too much of a problem with it and I have tried to help players get a Moabs in the past, double points all round but if I'm trying to capture a flag or plant a bomb and my wingman is hiding to get a kill, I get pissed right off.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 10:43 AM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
I have felt the same way as the guy you played with, but it depends on the lobby a bit. If the team we are slaughtering is a bunch of jack-holes who were running their mouths in the lobby before the match, run the score up. But if they are actually humble players and it's a good lobby, I don't want to throw salt in the wound.
As far as how big of a lead is big enough to slow up on the tags, I'd say at least 15. I started a game slow last night. I think we were down something like 30-18 or so before I finally went on a few streaks and we took the game 65-63. A 10 tag lead is probably OK if you have 55 or so already though. I just don't like to gamble with the win.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 10:57 AM (in response to dannytanner17)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
So what's the goal, the win or the Moab (for arguments sake or a high kill streak)
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 11:15 AM (in response to dannytanner17)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
Its really hard to pick a number of tags that you're up by that you're win is still "safe". A few enemy killstreaks and some bad spawns can totally flip momentum of a game.
I got into a game the other night where my team was down 30-11. I immediately just started killwhoring, because I felt like the game was out of reach and if I was going to take a Loss, I might as well throw up a high K/D. Well about a minute in I threw up an AH6 and Pavelow, and my team ended up winning by 5-10 tags. My Pavelow/AH6 pinned them in their spawn, and it turned into easy pickings for my teammates. I would say that no lead, however large is safe until you start getting into the mid to high 40s. When you start getting under 20 tags needed for a win, I think its safer to start thinking killwhore.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 11:01 AM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
In Kill Confirmed what lead is a safe lead to stop focusing on every tag, and start focusing on kills?
I ask this because I probably had my first intelligent debate with a random that had his mic on last night. We ended up being on the same team for 7-8 straight games, and he was an average player. The first or second game on Hardhat was an absolute massacre by us. I think we were up 45-11 and I said something along the lines of "Hey guys, slow down on the tags" because I had just hit my Specialist Bonus, A few guys agreed with me, but this one player in particular basically said no and that we should just end their misery because they were clearly overmatched. I didn't agree, so I just kill whored and kind of let the team continue on in playing however they wanted, I ended the game on a 17 gunstreak before we won 65-19, and we ended the game within the next 2 minutes.
A few games later we were on Village. I started a streak while we were up 40-30, and by the time I got on a decent streak we were up 60-45 and there was maybe two minutes left in the game. I again asked if we could slow down on the tags, and this time he agreed with me. The game ended up hitting the time limit with me on a 21 gunstreak, so I missed out on the MOAB, and I think we won 65-55 (some teammate picked up the last few tags while the timer was under 10 seconds left). I asked him after the game why this round was different and he basically said it was a much more evenly matched game and nobody besides me was really slaughtering the opponent.
This isn't a post about me being angry about missing a MOAB, because I've gotten a few and thats not my primary objective when I play with the Specialist Package. I'm just curious where you guys sit on this arguement. Basically, do you think its okay to start ignoring the objective and killwhore when you clearly have the game in hand all of the time, or are there certian situations where you should just put the enemy out of his/her misery? I personally belive that once you hit 45-50 and have over a 10 tag lead its okay to ease up, but clearly my teammate felt that you shouldn't be playing to extend the game if you are clearly overmmatching he other team. Just curious what your thoughts are on this situation.
It's all about circumstances... but no lead against a good team (or laggy team) is enough.
The group I roll with rarely slow down the tags since the goal of the game is to get them...
... I love humbling people 65 to sub 25 and hearing the silence in the lobby.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 11:10 AM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
I believe it really depends on the team you are playing with.
If you are playing with a group of randoms, I think it is OK to ask for them to slow down on tags so you can get a few extra kills, however, it is also OK if the randoms say no and go for the win because after all, the objective of Kill Confirmed is to confirm kills and get the win and not to pad your K/D ratio.
You also have to understand that for those randoms, the game might be one of those where the lag is unmanageable and they want to get away as soon as possible. Also, kills might not mean as much to those randoms and they would rather just get the win.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 11:39 AM (in response to TheBeastlyDude)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
In my opinion you thought you had good lead in some of those games, so it wouldnt be a problem stop a bit and chase some Killstreaks - what you are forgetting imo is that it isnt the Killstreaks that win the games in KC. In fact, the people that chase Killstreaks in KC eventually think "oh im not collecting them but im giving them to my team". That can destroy Winnings in KC. You were winning and leading not because of your Killstreaks or Specialist Bonuses - but because you had that Tagwhore in your team!...
Because you can be in a team of Killstreak-chasers that at the end of the match in Kill Confirmed all made like 20-10 but still...they Lost the Game. Youve noticed that a lot right? Why? Because all of them were chasing Killstreaks - but none of them had the guts to be there in the middle of the shots collecting the Tags lol!
You should praise that guy imo!
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 1:08 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
Yeah, I say if all you want to do is killwhore, then take it to FFA or TDM as that where's killing is the entire point and no one has to worry about stopping to let someone else get more kills.
If it's an objective-based game, killwhoring should not be a priority at all unless that IS the end game objective (which is, again, FFA, TDM, and such really). All it does is make such people look like those cliche villains that toy with a downed hero before planning to kill them (which they easily could have earlier) before being defeated because they gave that hero an opening to fight back.
I've actually been in such games where we would be in a very solid lead and someone wants us to stop picking up tags so he can killwhore, so we let him, and guess what? We ended up losing, despite that big lead, all because the other team stuck to the objective and kept collecting tags wherever they could while we sat back and didn't collect tags just so one teammate can killwhore, and then that player had the gall to yell at us, calling us noobs and demanding an explanation to why we let the other team win like that when we were so far ahead, where we'd calmly (and somewhat mockingly) reply that we simply gave him what he wanted and he should be happy because he had the top high score with kills, lol.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 1:52 PM (in response to Gerbera_Kai)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
The guy uphere knows also what i was talking about.
And he added something i didnt want to mention but now i will - if you just got happy in KC or Domination because there you can get an huge ammount of Kills: then you dont play much, and you dont have the slightiest notion that you are destroying your own teams lol..
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 1:45 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
i leave the tages from my kill so when a team mate of mine gets it we both share the XP. Too many people don't do that. Also i go after every red tag i see to deny the enemy their kill.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 1:53 PM (in response to pazuzu16)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
Yes!!! Red Tags pools - see me running to it lol!!!
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 1:59 PM (in response to Shadow_Alq)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
Its all very clear in my mind. Objective games are just that and in my opinion you should work the objective. But a lot of people are worried about their KDR or little kids are discussing which weapon is better and they forget what they are there for.
I usually find it easier to play TDM and keep my blood pressure low.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 6:04 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
We play KC like an extended TDM. We slowly collect tags. We do not get to like 45 and then just stop. People are always leaving our lobbies so if you keep the game close they do not leave and if they do leave the next people do not instantly leave if it is close. Playing 1 to 2 people the whole game is not fun so we just keep a 10 tag lead. Once there is 2 or 3 minutes left we start getting all of the tags to get points.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 6:11 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
For me objective based games is to get the win. I don't care if I or a teammate is running a killstreak. It isn't about me or that person. It's about team effort.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 6:18 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
For me saying "hold up, lets just rack up some kills" is a dick move. Granted some people have other priorities, but I'm personally a fan of playing the objective the way it is intended to be played, not using the objective as a way to just get kills.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 6:36 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
Some also do so in objective modes simply because they feel FFA/TDM is too short...if they're so skilled, shouldn't they be getting a good number of kills quickly within that time above other people?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 6, 2012 6:41 PM (in response to dlundebjerg28)Re: Kill Confirmed Etiquette: To Slay or not to slay?
I'd have to agree with some of the other guys. It's more situational rather than the actual number of tags you can start going for kills at. If I'm playing with a team of people I usually play with I'm more comfortable with going for kills with less of a lead than with randoms/casuals.
Got no problem with the tactic though. If you've got the game locked in(most important part cuz I still want the win); stick it to 'em and get yours!