Apr 3, 2012 4:44 PM
Struggeling with the MP5
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Straight up this is my worst SMG at a 1.14 kdr. I need you guys to help me create a bomb MP5 class. Ive tried it using the Kick, Range, Focus and Melee proficiencies and seemed to have the most success with Range. Ive tried using the Silencer, Red Dot, Rapid Fire attachments and had the most success with Silencer. When I say success I use the word loosely. I can barely go positive with this gun in any game I play.
My current perks are Extreme Conditioning, Assassin, Steady Aim (all pros). Im running the Specialist Package with SoH, Quickdraw, Blastshield.
So whats up? give me some tips. How should I dress my gun? What perks will accomidate this gun the best? Should I ADS or just hipfire all my enemies? Any attempt to help is appreciated.
Here's what you do: You take the "5" off of the "MP" and replace it with a "7" because IW wouldn't know weapon balance if it bit them in the arse.
I'm afraid your KD with the MP5 wont get any better, simply because its underpowered.
I know the gun is underpowered lol. Thats why Im using it. Ive got thousands of kills with the MP7 and PP90M1 and P90, those guns are too easy. Im close to 1000 with the PM9 and I decided to venture into MP5 territory. I know its underpowered and I know Im not going to do as well as with an MP7 but I like the challenge. Id still like some ideas on an awesome MP5 class (from someone with experience using it) because I know with the right class I can run matches with any gun.
It isnt really underpowered...just not as powerful as the overpowered guns. If your able to master quick burst shots then you'll have no problems with accuracy and mid range fights. Personally i would use Kick + Rapidfire.
If you barely go positive getting a decent kill streak would be hard to using specialist and assault would be sort of a waste. Support helps you and your team out.
Or just dont use the Mp5.
heres my recon class
mp5 ext mag rapid fire.
recon, assasin, steady aim. (85% hipfire).
recon drone, stealth, drop.
It probably wont improve on your ratio, but its fun in teamgames.
I had a relatively fun time getting my MP5 gold (but I play HardCore, which can be somewhat of an equalizer for weapons). I like it well enough for an SMG. What is it about the MP5 that seems to give you trouble?
Thanks to infected I have a K/D of just under 5 with the MP5. Other than that I would say the class that dancerd suggested is pretty good.
Facts about the MP5:
It is the second most inaccurate gun in the game, after PM-9, only rivaled by the M60 and CM901.
MANY THANKS TO PSIJAKA FOR THE PICTURE SIMULATIONS OF THE RECOIL DATA!!
AK47 is there for reference as the second least accurate assault rifle after CM901.
Oh.
Here's the MP7 too for reference:
While M60 has grip, and PM9 the fastest rate of fire of all SMGs, CM901 and MP5 have no excuses what so ever as they are the LEAST accurate AR and SMG and they're also the assault rifle with the SLOWEST RATE OF FIRE and the SMG with the SECOND SLOWEST RATE OF FIRE...
MP5 was one of the more accurate weapons in the CoD4 beta, but firing at 800 RPM with decent accuracy (about the same as AK47), it overpowered everything in the beta.
So it got hit by the ugly-bat, with massive recoil, along with M4 which got heavy sway.
Because it was the only other SMG than AK74u that two hit kill on a decent range, it was arguably the best SMG in CoD4 (AK74u was better).
The P90 three hit killed, and was thus not a huge threath.
MP5's horrible recoil has followed it into MW2, Black Ops and now MW3.
Along the way, it's rate of fire has received a nerf, increasing recoil once again, and P90 has recieved higher damage, although at a lower rate of fire.
The PP90M1, PM-9 and MP7 also share the MP5's hits to kill on short range, making the MP5 completely outclassed.
Now let us go back to CoD4.
I will apply stopping power to all the weapons, obviously, because that was the hands down best perk apart from Juggernaut on M14, M60, P90 and Dragunov.
MP5: High recoil, 56 damage, 800 RPM
P90: Moderate-high recoil, 42 damage, 925 RPM
M4: Low recoil, 42 damage, 855 RPM
AK47: Medium-high recoil, 56 damage, 700 RPM
They were rather perfectly balanced, apart from the AK47 red dot and silencer inconsistencies.
Then MW2 came along.
MP5K: High recoil, 56 damage, 850 RPM
P90: Moderate-high recoil, 42 damage, 925 RPM
UMP: Moderate recoil, 56 damage 630 RPM
AK47: Moderate-high recoil, 56 damage, 666 RPM
Balance gets tossed up a bit because the SMGs with high damage enter AR territory.
Know that the UMP was deemed overpowered because it could 3 hit kill on long range without stopping power, with 35 minimum damage.
Even tough it got RAPED by AK47 at short range!
The analogy goes over to the MP7, which is an SMG that easily kills more effectively than UMP from MW2.
I'm skipping Black Ops and cutting to the chase:
Stopping power is out of MW3, and the stats look like this:
MP5: High recoil, 42 damage, 800 RPM
UMP: Moderate-high recoil, 49 damage, 750 RPM
Looking good so far...
PP90M1: Moderate-high recoil, 42 damage, 1000 RPM
P90: Moderate-high recoil, 42 damage, 850 RPM
WAIT JUST A F***ING SECOND NOW!!
WHAT WAS THAT??!?!?
MP5: High recoil, 42 damage, 800 RPM
PP90M1: Moderate-high recoil, 42 damage, 1000 RPM
P90: Moderate-high recoil, 42 damage, 850 RPM
Recoil:
(THANKS TO PSIJAKA for the perfectly representative recoil simulation!)
THAT is why I REFUSE to use ANY SMG in MW3.
MP5 = UMP < P90 ~= PM-9 < PP90M1 = MP7
Finally, the MP7's disgustingly absurd low recoil, compared to the G36C:
SMGs, in general have very little recoil, it sucks that in the game the recoil is exagerated.
I have only really enjoyed the MP5 as a secondary for CQC only. It works alright with both Kick and and Rapid Fire on. It's just not that good because it's low accuracy, low fire rate, and low mag capacity. Yes, the MP7 has low recoil and good range, but the UMP45 with Rapid Fire is just as good if not better in gameplay terms.
Gun stats and damage tables are all well and good, but everyone knows it's all about weapon feel and personal preference when it comes to these things. I've seen guys do really well using the MP5, but as you said at the outset, I just can't get into the weapon.
If you use specialist, you will most likely have all perks and you said you had tried (almost) every attachment and proficiency, not sure how could we help except by telling you to switch weapons. If you like flanking or are used to using assassin, I think silencer might be good. If not, rapid fire and kick. Good luck!
It was bad in CoD 4 and it is still bad now. The only difference? The SMGs that it competes with are godly.
The MP5 was one of my favorite guns in CoD4 and also in Blops. It struggles greatly in MW3 though.
Anyways I tried a Rapid Fire + Extended Mags combo on the gun and suddenly I was able to compete. My KDR for this gun went up to 1.19 and I found myself getting scores like 26-10, 22-4 which are closer to my usual averages.
I got the gun to 500 kills but I think Im gonna move on now. Ive nearly reached 1000 with my M4 and PM-9 so I think Im gonna work on those. Close with my AS50 too. No more MP5 for now.
Rapid Fire + EMags did the trick!
I hate the MP5 and UMP45 in this game. I've gotten over 1200 apiece I believe, but now I just can't get more than a 4 killstreak going with it, I'm trying to get the 2500 for the titles. I used to get 8-10 kills with it for every live, it's almost like they dumbed it down since I first used it, I wish they'd bring the power of the BlOps one to this.
I use the MP5 with silencer and range use assasian and blind eye and you'll raise it by at least .15 if you don't do well switch to the mp7. Hope this helped!
Thanks, are you really the drummer of ABR? lol
Not sure which system's forum this is but I highly recommend MP5 + Range + Silencer, trust me it should do the trick
it's a gun I have in gold camo, I like it, it could be a devastating weapons on good hands.
the first advise I can give, is do not equip the silencer, this weapons is not good with it, if you can't play without, equip silencer and rapid fire.
the best class I'v found with it is:
-mp5 extended mag with range, or stability if you master the burst fire well and be pretty accurate on target when you ADS.
-mp9 silencer
frag or semtex
concussion, flash, or if predators loves you like me, trophy system.
-sleight of hand pro
-quidraw pro
-stalker pro (the most important I think)
killstreak if specialist: steady aim pro, extrem conditionning, scavanger
now, how to play the mp5, according to me, it's a very agressive weapon. as it si not accurate far away you had to be close to the ennemy and not stand on position. in my opinion, stalker is really the point of this weapons, you've got average time to kill and you can not be competitive in front of an mp7 or pp90 on hip fire but I feel really confortable with the mobility of mp5. you have to strafe and take your ennemy from the side. the bullets of mp5 do not give very high damage, and his rate of fire is average, but the penetration power is very good I feel, it's really esay to make double or triple kill when you shoot lines of ennemy.
I do not advise silencer, I feel the weapon to weak with it, I do not advise rapid fire to, you have little clip and poor accuracy. do not use sight, in any form, this is wasted attachement, for poor results. the best proficiency are range and stability, I really feel stability more effective than kick if you master burst fire...