Nubdub wrote:

 

In other words, you are on the receiving side of lag compensation and not having issues so it is not possible that others are. It's all in our heads. Why don't you make your own thread about how lag compensation issues don't exist instead of coming in here and trying to derail a legitimate thread.

Are you serious?  Did I ever mention that lag compensation doesn't exist?  Did you completely skip over the part where I said I had a terrible experience with lag compensation when the game first came out?

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that a lot of people that complain about it are confusing it with other factors that relate to online play.  Lag compensation (see anti-lag as defined in my post above) IS A GOOD THING... without it, everyone would complain.

sweatyclam wrote:

 

Lag compensation is not an artifical latency, please post a link to where you read this and it is not only applied to the host and I have never heard of anti-lag, I'm going to google it now. In fact your definitions on anti-lag and character lag seem to me to be lag compensation.

My use of the terms anti-lag, character lag and lag-compensation were by no means meant to be "dictionary" terms or terms listed else where on the internet... But simply my understanding of the forces in effect while playing COD.  The reason I said lag-compensation is artificial latency applied to host only is because of the way that IW/SH addresses the term below:

TU7: Improvement to address "Host Disadvantage" / "Lag Compensation" that caused hosts with good connections to be hindered.

TU8: Networking enhancements, Theater improvements and fixes, Further improvements to "Host Disadvantage" / "Lag Comp"

I read that as them implying that "host disadvantage" is interchangeable with "lag compensation", but if it better suits the discussion we can say that "host disadvantage" is one factor in play that affects the host only and artificially inflates their latency, while "lag compensation" is the traditional sense of the term where they are compensating for a players latency to match player locations.

Here is another thread where someone uses the term "lag compensation" to specifically address "host disadvantage":

http://www.callofduty.com/message/205395300

Anyways, I was just curious how exactly the "host disadvantage" worked and if it was applied to all players under a certain latency or only the host and if it was a set latency inflation or one that varies throughout the game.

fonto wrote:

 

Go to this website and scroll down the page until you find the part on lag compensation it tells you and shows you exactlr how it works. There is also other usefull info on this page but follow the link and see for yourselves.https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking

Thanks, this post essentially defines "lag compensation" as what I said anti-lag / character-lag are above.  But many times IW/SH refers to lag-compensation as something entirely different, relating to the host only.

I think it's important to address which issue people are having issues with.  I struggled a lot with the host disadvantage when the game was first released since I have a very fast internet connection and pulled host a lot.  But I also noticed that when I played with my friends on the east coast and I pulled host, everybody in game would have a 3-bar, even myself as the host.  Clearly the game was implementing artificial latency on myself (and perhaps others) to compensate for a poor connection of one or more of the clients.

Yet that is something entirely different than what is referred to in your link.  Also, while the source engine and mw3's engine are both based on the idtech engines going back to quake, I'm positive there have been dozens of tweaks related to the networking of the game engine that have been implemented into the Call of Duty series.  While that link gives a good general explanation of how lag compensation is supposed to work, it doesn't mean that MW3 uses the same formula as shown there.

I think its IW, I can't really recall this much lag issues with Treyarc. Not saying Treyarc didn't make COD games that had some lag issues but for the most part, I wasn't bitching about lag in Black Ops

Capp00 great video and great effort really. Have you got any response from GHANDI?

capp00 wrote:

 

Nope. Not a word. Haven't gotten a response from 1 single person, on the forums or twitter.

it's hard for them to reply to you when their heads are firmly shoved in the ground (i was going to say somewhere else ) doing ostrich impersonations whilst singing lalalalalalal we cant hear you.

Ghandi did say he'd watched it though on the hotfix/tu thread ..that was about it

JBurn244 wrote:

 

It's just hard to imagine a significant fix/change being made aside from TU/Hotfixes with a 'tweaks to matchmaking/host disadvantage/player sync issues'

 

Seems like the most one can hope for at this point is one of those fixes will impact their individual game positively.

in fairness they can only makew ickle tweaks each time, as anything more could significantly screw up the game for alot more peoples. Hopefully they will finally change the way matchmaking works like ive been telling them to since day 1 , ghandi did say the net team was now looking at this now as one of a few options but as usual they have made what could have been a simple change into a major wah what about the new players project.