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  • Apprentice 71 posts since
    Jan 31, 2012
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    190. Mar 14, 2012 1:41 PM (in response to 9blackguys)
    Re: Petition to buff AA-12: More reserve ammo

    You sir are good at gun balancing, IW hire this guy you'll get a great cod game. on topic, aa12 needs a buff, it's not what it was pre-extmags patch. I still love it but it needs a buff, definatly more ammo you HAVE to use scavenger and with the painful reload speed and small mag makes it a very hard gun. Still my fav gun:D

  • d8noped8b Calculating status... 61 posts since
    Jul 15, 2011

    weaponbalance wrote:

     

    I agree with those changes excluding the pellet spread one. Giving spread like the ksg to the AA12 as standard wouldn't be so bad, but with steady aim you would considerably increase its effectiveness to an extent that I myself wouldn't be too happy about (not to mention trialstar, hahaha).

     

    I guess I kinda over exaggerated there. I just don't think the AA-12 should have "Steady-aimed sniper" spread without Steady Aim. I'm almost certain that even with Steady Aim, it's spread is still larger than or equal to a bare USAS or KSG

     

    If they decrease spread just enough so that SA isn't required, I'd be fine with that. IMO, the AA-12 is the only shotgun that requires perks and prof. to be a viable long-term weapon.

     

    If they ever decrease spread, increase damage per pellet to 20-5 and give a total of 4 magazines to the AA-12, they should also nerf it's ROF to 300 RPM and from there, nerf the Striker's max ROF to 200 and buff the USAS' ROF to 210-250 RPM to put some truth to the in-game stats (For the non-pump/lever-action shotties, it say the Stiker is the slowest, the AA-12 is the fastest and the USAS is inbetween).

  • anoreo Master 13,698 posts since
    May 23, 2011
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    193. Mar 14, 2012 2:26 PM (in response to 9blackguys)
    Re: Petition to buff AA-12: More reserve ammo

    If Specialist never existed, I think I would have given up on this gun by now. It CANNOT stand on its own merits! It needs SoH AND the Max Proficiency to be successful. <3 specialist

  • weaponbalance Calculating status... 73 posts since
    Mar 13, 2012

    Steady aim multiplies a weapons hipspread by 0.65. The AA12 has a base hipsread value of 8, the KSG has a base hipspread value of 5 (bigger number, wider spread). 8x0.65 gives you 5.2, so you are correct, the aa12s steady aim hipspread is slightly larger than the KSGs regular hipspread.

  • Apprentice 71 posts since
    Jan 31, 2012
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    195. Mar 14, 2012 3:25 PM (in response to anoreo)
    Re: Petition to buff AA-12: More reserve ammo

    I tried using support with the AA12 and its painful. SPecialist is your best choice, but i use that on pretty much every gun, i sometimes use uav ballistic vest combo though, vests are my fav killstreak of all time!

  • d8noped8b Newbie 61 posts since
    Jul 15, 2011

    Geez that's awful. The AA-12 really does have almost everything going against it.

     

    -It has low starting ammo
    -Its spread is huge compared to other shotguns

    -Has the lowest damage of all the shotguns (a bare AA-12 needs 7 of 8 pellets to land to get a OHK in max damage range. Good luck with that considering its spread.)
    -Has the least range

     

    It's ROF advantage can barely be considered one as the Striker can almost match it while being better in pretty much every way.

  • thebiindsniper Master 5,119 posts since
    Jun 12, 2011
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    197. Mar 14, 2012 3:37 PM (in response to 9blackguys)
    Re: Petition to buff AA-12: More reserve ammo

    Wait a second.  Sorry to call you out, but did one of the forum moderators say the AA12 should NOT be buffed, because it's "fully automatic"?

     

    No offense, but if that's true, that's a stupid response.


    ~RUGGED SAVIOR

     

    http://www.youtube.com/ruggedsavior

  • vileself Master 4,866 posts since
    May 23, 2011
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    198. Mar 14, 2012 3:41 PM (in response to 9blackguys)
    Re: Petition to buff AA-12: More reserve ammo

    So in one thread you're bragging about how you massacre people and get 50 MOABS with the AA-12, and in another thread you wanna buff it? There are holes here.

  • Apprentice 166 posts since
    Mar 9, 2012
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    199. Mar 14, 2012 7:23 PM (in response to 9blackguys)
    Re: Petition to buff AA-12: More reserve ammo

    I wouldn't mind a buff. I don't use it in multiplayer, but I tried it on Survival Mode (where all the guns are their multiplayer versions) and the low reserve ammo made it almost pointless if you weren't camping at the weapon armoury.

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