Mar 5, 2012 3:32 AM
You say you're listening to us? Then make the game enjoyable for EVERYONE....
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I'm not a great player, but I don't consider myself that bad either. I can go possitive most games due to my style and tactics I employ. With the clan and players I play with, we often win, and win comfortably. But then all of a sudden, you meet another clan or bunch of players who's connections suck the very life and fun out of the game. Yesterday we met a clan I trust and enjoyed playing with on black ops, it was the first time we had seen them in MW3. The games were always close, tough and more or less equal in wins and losses. They were fair and great fun. So, when I saw them in the lobby yesterday I was very excited and thought we were in for a really good game. WRONG. The connections were so much in their favour that you could have easerly have accused them of hacking. Except I knew they weren't. So when will they fix this damn lag compensation or server issues, so everyone can enjoy this game without having to worry if the other team are hacking or not. Its fairly bad in reflex, very good in black ops but sometimes really awfull in MW3. I can't even log into the game sometimes without taking three attempts at it before it finally decides to let me join. I never had this issue with any of the other cod games, so why do I with this game. Come on please. you say you're listening, so please get this problem sorted out. And before anyone says, i'm crying because we don't win all the time, you're wrong. We can take a loss when we're beat by better players. We know when we've been beaten by better players, in the same way we know if a person is cheating, or connection issues get the better of us. I've been playing cod games since late 2009, i'm not f-ing stupid...
Sh*t connection = leave lobby and get a new one. Been doing that since WaW ![]()
Ouch. One day, connections will hopefully be a thing of the past.
Yeah I hear what you're saying, and in the case I stated in my op we did just that after the second game, because we always give the benefit of the doubt. I always say, everyone has there favourite map, so we played again to see if a different map would make any difference, but this wasn't the case this time. This problem can be fixed, and this is my point. Thanks for the input though..
What makes MW3 special? BO was VERY, VERY unfair for me and pretty much everyone i played with. MWR had lag shooting an a BAMF host and WaW was the same way.. so i say again what makes MW3 so special? It's not fair for you so now so it's time to go off on it? BO was unfair to many people and we all just had to except it and you'll just have to except it as well.
Once again, I hear ya, W@W was a joke. I hate that game and never play it anyway. The lag shooting in reflex is easy to work round once you learn how. Black ops is worked just fine, but I do know a FEW people that said it wasn't good for them. MW3 is different. Its special because there is no way round it. You can't even hide in a dark corner, you'll die first. But it can be fixed..
MW3 is very good to me compared to Black Ops. Blops always threw me into American lobbies where I struggled for a 3-bar and seemed to be shooting shadows but MW3 matchmaking seems better for me, only struggle in the less populated gamemodes where I can't find a European lobby. It's the luck of the draw I guess. The first game/company/console to sort out all this connection mess is going to make billions.
A few? what are you on? There was just as much complaining about the connection in BO as there is in MW3. The game was good to you so i guess you didn't see it.
semperfi550 wrote:
A few? what are you on? There was just as much complaining about the connection in BO as there is in MW3. The game was good to you so i guess you didn't see it.
A few people complaining on the forums doesn't make up the shear numbers that play the game. You seem to forget that there is more than 3 times the amount of players on black ops than MW3, even today. Does that tell you anything? Don't ask me what i'm on, take a look in your own medacine cabinet..
Black Ops is a very flawd game just as MW3 is when it comes to connection. There were more then just a few people complaining about the connection in BO. BO was hated even more on the other systems then it was on Wii.I was not just talking about the Wii version, I'm talking about BO and MW3 in general. Nither game is perfect and neither game works for eveyone. Who are you to say that there are more people on BO then MW3 because of connection? How do you know it's not casue of BS weapons? BO did have less BS then MW3 when it comes to OP weapons.
Due to the way this game connects, people will always have good and bad games. Even if people get 9 good games out of 10, they are gonna remember that 1 game.
you won't hear them complain about the other 9 games where they killed people who just ducked behind cover.
Not saying they shouldn't look into it. I believe the system can be perfected, but for a lot of people it is working just fine.
Not saying that anybody in here is overly complaining, since this is a decent topic about it. Just pointing it out.
Well said, thanks..
Just because they said they listened, doesnt mean they'll do anything. Their main focus is Iron Wolf, thus making MW3 Wii a side project for extra credit.
Not to brag but I've been playing CoD since 2006 ![]()
I've been playing COD since 2003. ![]()
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Get rid of lag compensation, if you ask me thats the one adn only thing they need to do in all the consoles.
Apparently you have to have it, the game would be really bad if it was taken out. All i'm saying is it just needs a tweak. I am aware that its a very complex thing..
Tell me why needs it lag compensation? i mean the people with good internet are bettter then, they pay more for it so yea i dont see it unfair or something like that
silentshotnl wrote:
Tell me why needs it lag compensation?
I'm not sure why exactly you need lag compensation but I think it has something to do with unfair host advantage. I don't understand algorithms and i'm not sure if I even spelled algorithm correctly. But i'm told by people who do know about these things that it would be a nightmare without it.
@semper, you win buddy. If I don't know anything about why this or that, I don't know how you do either. So i'll go along with what you said.. ![]()
I pay for business internet connection and lag still effects me just as much as others. It sucks.
It affects you because you have a good connection, other people with bad internet are not lagging, thats why i hate it ;p
Even when I disconnect the wired connection to the Wii and go wireless it still sucks with the lag.
Its the internet you have not how it is connected here let me show ya why im pissed off at lag compen..
gamers = want better internet = pay more for better internet = they now lag more
randoms with stupid internet = pay much less = better scores thanks to not lagging
:S
and by gamers, i not mean people who are gaming for a job, but people with better internet then others, i have better internet but not for gaming just because zzzee parentzz wantzz good internetzz lol
Well thats why im pissed off, people who want to have faster connection go slower here, thats not supposed to happen if you as me ![]()
Well first off the price has nothing to do with the quality of a connection. That is just a price determined by the provider and how good it is depends on the provider. In theory a more expensive connection means a better one but that's not always the case.
Also if your ping times are bad enough, like mine, you are at a disadvantage no matter what.
Basically lag comp was put in to avoid lag shooting. It makes it so you can shoot at where the other person's avatar is on your screen instead of where it actually is. If they shot at where it actually was that would be what we call lag shooting. That's why you look like you made it around that corner but you were not around that corner on the other person's screen. I think that's how it works anyway.
It's either lag comp or lag shooting with this game...I hate lag shooting more but that's just my preference. I think the start to a solution would be a move to dedicated servers but don't hold your breath.
Silentshot, if lag copensation was removed, we would have lagshooting (IMO great idea). I'm sure this would piss people off having to lagshoot again (correct me if I am wrong).
It's Kirby BTW..this account is now reborn! xD
I agree with you Pauly, the lag compensation shouldn't be so harsh on good connections, but fixing something like the behavior of the internet, its speed, its delay, to values that optimize the in-game actions not only for good connections but for bad ones as well, can't be done from one day to another. If even on the favoured consoles it's still garbage, we simply can't expect it to be easier to code on the Wii. Note that I'm not saying it's impossible, my point is that the "qualified monkeys" that fix the LC on other systems are having trouble with it, then our humble tech team would have much more trouble trying to fix something as complicated as this.
Is 3 bars a good thing? Because I have 2 - 3 bars when I play, my internet speed is just above 3mb download speed on a laptop with less on a wii, so its not great. Yes I have good games, and over time I have learned to play with this connection, but sometimes you meet a bunch of people that seem to suck the life out of everyones connection, and no one stands a chance. You get slaughtered. So if its not the servers, or the LC, what the heck is it? Because if they have better connections, everyone is saying it is no good for them. I just don't get it. Btw, in case some of you don't already know, i'm from the UK. Maybe its our servers and they run on coal fired boilers. ![]()
I normally have a 2-3 bar connection too, but from what I've heard, it's the work of the lag compensation also, since it balances everyone's connection to a three bar. My (maybe) reedeming factor is that on Blops I had a 3-bar connection, and supposedly the LC isn't as crap in that game than it is in MW3. I have yet to discover if I'm being favored by the LC or being discriminated by it, since sometimes I enter lobbies where I absolutely destroy and react before everyone else, and some other times I get killed by cheetah-like reflexes noobs with PP90's or P90's rapid fire. This time around my point is that the random nature of an internet connection makes it very hard to program a game so it perfectly reacts in sync with everyone's screen. I can't wait for the day when this is in the past...
Patching takes time
Lag comp is a *****. Nuff said ![]()
As to the original post, for me at least the game works flawlessly one night and crappy the next. I don't really have a way of telling if the problem is my connection, or the game handling lag comp for other people, or what.
like2nap03 wrote:
As to the original post, for me at least the game works flawlessly one night and crappy the next. I don't really have a way of telling if the problem is my connection, or the game handling lag comp for other people, or what.
Ah ha, now I know i'm not the only one. I'm sure its not my internet, as I uaually have a two bar connection on black ops, but I can still ok. The mechanics in MW3 is flawed. But for the people who say the game is great for them, i'm happy for you. I just wish it was the same for the (what seems like) majority of people like me that can't get used to the bipolar nature of this game..
I'm in the same boat as you guys. ALthough my connection bars are usually full and all green I still encounter periods where I an screaming at the screen that I just emptied half a clip into a guy and then I die by a knifing from that same player
. So, there is some obvious issues with lag. It comes and goes though. One hour I'm on fire and going positive every game and then I'll have other sessions where I just have to turn the game off and take a brake before I flip out.
I think the only answer is to just go to a new lobby when this starts up or risk losing your sanity ![]()
With me I can't help but suspect my connection is my issue. It's so inconsistent. In my case at least having a poor connection doesn't give me any advantage. Lag comp is programmed in, but since my ping times are slower, if I see someone and on my screen we start shooting at the same time, I'm going to die because chances are he really already starting shooting and my connection didn't pick up the animation due to my lag. As in his ping times were better.
But no you are not the only one. Some matches I can have a 2 bar connection and play like a beast. Other nights I can have a 3 bar connection and be lagging and rubberbanding like crazy. It doesn't make any sense. Now if I have a 1 or 2 bar connection and I'm lagging that makes sense. But sometimes I have a 3 bar connection and lag more than I do with the others. It's confusing.
To add to this I don't always lag with a 3 bar connection. It's just weird that I can have a 2 bar connection and not lag one night. Then have a 3 bar connection and lag the next night. It doeesn't always do that and it's not really switching up on me every night. I'm just using that as an example.
The point it it's inconsistent for me as well as you pauly.
Fine get rid of lag compensation I just hope you enjoy lag shooting as that what lag compensation prevents. It basicly brings everyone to the same level otherwise the host would be godly (like reflex).
Did you read through whole the thread. Obviously not..
Tell me where I said I want it taken out. I do believe I said the very same thing as you. ![]()
The post wasn't pointed at you it was pointed at the people who want it removed and I really don't see the problem with lag compensation as it prevents lag shooting which is 10x worse.
Ok sorry, its just your post was in response to mine. It makes it look like you're talking to me..
Listen.
No Lag Compensation:
Lagshooting
Host is God
With Lag Compensation:
No Lagshooting
Host has terrible FPS
Any game that doesnt have lag shooting, has lag compensation. So first people complain that they hate lagshooting, now they want lag compensation removed so they can get lagshooting back. It is this logic that confirms that a large percentage of people on these forums are little children.
So are you talking to me? If so, read through the thread. If not, then ignore this post. But you're basicly saying what I have already said. I just want it fixed so it works better than it does now. I am by far not the only one who has problems with the connection which for me hardly exists in the other cod games.
I'm never host and lag shooting is a drag hopefully it'll stay the same hehehe....
In reflex the lag shooting was easy to overcome, once you got used to it. The problem i'm talking about has no counter. You never see it coming and if you do, you have no time to react..
I'll throw my 2 pence in to this conversation! first it annoys me that you say those who buy cheap interne should suffer for the fact they purchased cheap internet??? i think you need to think about what your saying because i'm not sure you can choose to purchase rubbish or great internet, you can't here in the UK!
I pay a fair amount for mine through AOL but i live up in the north of england and like pauly who lives further south to me our internet speed is decided by th quality of the network provided by the supplier! i wish i could have virgins latest state of the art cables and up to 200mb but they have not installed it any further then the midlands in the UK so I pay the same amount as virgin customers but only get 3.5mb because the cables are older then the hills up my way! were stuck with poo internet no matter the provider, i can pay for 40mb but the provider can only give me 3.5-5mb at best!! so why should i suffer due to something ouside my control.
I feel pauly we start to suffer with lag late at night as we play in to the early hours and by then we are teamed up the with us players and ping rate to their host is what effects us and being that splitsecond behind! I never have it bad when the euro guys are in a clan! I think that is the issue for us my friend.
However you old geeet you kdr is not too shabby!!!
in summary the game is blanced that you canbe god for half the games and then suck the other half, i guess this is the same for everyone?
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