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Feb 25, 2012 11:11 PM

Change Demolition back plz.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_xgA3-bXs4&context=C3f0001eADOEgsToPDskKe5PgZ0Yc YRLiwKQ1u8F-x

 

I cant even spawn anymore without this bullcrap happening

 

And I though spawns in domination and tdm were bad. Change the game type to what it was before please.

 

Spawn trapping wasnt an issue. you and your team were just crap and now look,

 

the complaining has caused people to spawn behind eachother and right beside the bomb theyre supposed to target and behind me

 

and thats balanced to you cowards? Smh

 

Go stick to tdm if you want people spawning all over like sheep without its shepard and leave demolition to the pros....

  • trialstardragon Master
    trialstardragon
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    Feb 26, 2012 3:02 AM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    Spawn trapping was an issue, and no people were not just crap, the spawns were crap the way they were before. You are now just crap because you can not spawn trap for easy kills and kill streaks.

     

    Leave demo for the pros... yeah right you are no pro if you come here and say that crap.

     

    Your the coward for not being able to deal with random spawns. The only thing that needs to be done is disable the spawns within 100 feet of the objective, nothing else.

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      MARKSIE
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      Feb 26, 2012 5:43 AM (in response to trialstardragon)
      Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

      I swear all trialsstardragon does, no matter the argument at hand, is just argue the opposite case for the sake of an argument lol.

       

      Anyways back on topic. Yes i think demo should have its spawn set back to the way they were. There is now no tactical skill in the game. Before if you were getting locked down in your own spawn you had to work as a team and use actual skill to break the lock. Now you just spawn behind the enemy, where is the skill in that? And for all the complainers about "spawn trapping", you do not start the game in a spawn trap do you? you shouldnt let yourself get spawn trapped, its your fault for not being able to control the map.

       

      To sum up. Random spawns decrease the skill gap between the good players and the bad (as if the gap wasnt small enough already).

      • trialstardragon Master
        trialstardragon
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        Feb 26, 2012 5:13 PM (in response to MARKSIE)
        Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

        Actually Marsie I do just that very things. For every discussion needs both sides to be stated for never is one side more important than the other.

         

        You do realize this is a game meant for fun, there should be no skill gap at all. The best game made has no skill gap where all players are equal and have an equal chance, not where one team can abuse a game mechanic flaw to win easily.

         

        It should have never been about map control in the first place, that is MLG notion that never belonged in this game to begin with.

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          MARKSIE
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          Feb 27, 2012 10:43 AM (in response to trialstardragon)
          Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

          Trial, so what you are telling me is that the best game made has no skill gap where all players are equal and have an equal chance of winning? So you think that if you and 5 other people, each chosing one number on a dice (or di, which ever on is singular lol), and then sit around rolling it is the best game ever made? Sounds pretty boring to me.

           

          What makes multiplayer games fun is the competition, just like in any sport/game. If there is no skill gap there is no competition which means no fun. Im not just talking about hardcore win at all costs competition, light casual competition to.

           

          The oxford dictionary defines a game as "A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck." A skill gap is also needed to be able to improve. A game gets very boring very fast if its not possible to get better at it.

           

          As for the map control argument, maybe i should word it better. Maybe the term "controlling the game" is more suitable. Controlling a game is how you win a game (assuming the game you are playing is based on skill and or strength not luck). Fighting for control of the game is what makes the game fun. Map control is just one of many things needed to control the game, as is controlling your engagements, communicating with team mates and even the loadout you chose.

           


          TLDR
          Getting the skill gap and learning curve right is probably one of the most important things to get right in a game. A game like CoD has to be "a minute to learn... a lifetime to master".

           

          Unpredictability and randomness negate skill. Thus making the skill gap pointless and making the game frustrating for players at the higher end of the skill gap since their skill is pointless.

          • trialstardragon Master
            trialstardragon
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            Feb 27, 2012 11:40 AM (in response to MARKSIE)
            Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

            That is where you are wrong the competition comes it pitting equally skilled players against each other. Demo did not do that, it allowed players to abuse the spawn system to get an advantage one that never should have existed in the first place. No player or team should have an advantage over another because of the spawn system such as sided spawns.

             

            the only thing they need to do is disable the spawns near the objective so people can not spawn right at them and plant or defuse. A good team can still very easily hold off the attackers and prevent them from planting, with out the need to try and trap the other players in one area of the map as before.

             

            No CoD does not need to be "a minute to learn... a life time to master", for it is just a game for entertainment and not really a sport to begin with.

             

            Being able to react and adapt to random factors is the very essence of skill. Having it play and work the same every time negates skill.

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      AntiAssasinPro
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      Feb 26, 2012 1:08 PM (in response to trialstardragon)
      Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

      this trial fool doesnt deserve his five stars with the the moronic way he talks. Chances are your KD is either below 1 or 1-1.2 smh.

       

      People arent crap in demolition? Do you play the game? You want out of control spawns go to TDM, KC, DOM(no matter the flag they still spawn behind me),moshpit etc etc.

       

      if you kept getting spawn trapped and not doing the spawn trapping, then your **** easy as said. If you dont like the game mode then dont play it and ruin it for everyone else with your 1000 tweet count to robert failing about wah wah Im to crap to leave ym spawn wah wah im forever juiced wah wah wah.

       

      Clearly yout think its more skilled for people to spawn behind you then pushing the other team back respectfully. Demolition has been the same for so long  you know why? Cause people learned to adapt or choose to play team Campmatch and Domicamption etc etc etc.

       

      People like trial make me sick, Nintendogs was made for a reason. Trash.

      • trialstardragon Master
        trialstardragon
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        Feb 26, 2012 5:18 PM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
        Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

        Thse AntiAssasinPro fool does not even deserve to post here for his style of posting and what he says..

         

        See I can do that too.

         

        And the five stars by by name are not given through karma or anything like that here on this site. It is solely by post count and how long I have been here. And I have been part of the series on the forums far longer than you foolish tool.

         

        My K/D has nothing to do with if I should have the right to state my view or not. And if you think it does you are nothing more and elitest prick that never learned that this is just a game and nothing more.

         

        People did not learn to adapt, they had no choice if the wanted to play that game mode but to accept how it was played. Finally IW got smart and fixed an issue that never should have been there from the beginning. People like you are just mad because you can not trap/camp anymore for easy kills and now have to watch your back instead of being complacent like you were in the past.

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          AntiAssasinPro
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          Feb 26, 2012 5:59 PM (in response to trialstardragon)
          Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

          and there you go instigating that if a person like the BETTER spawns from before, they were spawn trapping. Do you have any proof? No.

           

          You act like people start out spawn trapped which they dont you imbecile. If people didnt learn to adapt then thats to bad. Doesnt give them the right to change something that has been in COD for so many years because they are too bad at the game to get spawn trapped.

           

          Let us use you as an example since your clearly bad at the game lol. My team: Let us  defend the bombs as good as possible by pushing the team back(targeting also same concept). Your team after our plan was a success: Wah wah im beign spawn trapped wah wah im forever juiced wah wah off to twitter to cry to Robert Bowling so we can have TDM spawns in demo and make it so we can spawn behind the other team for easy kills wah wah wah. Clearly this is what you want, lack of skill to kill others as you can just sit in a corner and gather up a killstreak by not even moving in your own spawn and that is balanced to you? Yup you probably camp in team deathmatch and want a gamemode where you dont need to move to get kills. Coward.

           

          Go play pokemon where you can choose to run from others.

           

          Please post your gamertag and PSN here plz.

          • trialstardragon Master
            trialstardragon
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            Feb 27, 2012 1:56 AM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
            Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

            Actually yes they do have the right to change anything about the game they want since they did develop the game you fool. You do not own the game or the right to tell them how to make it. IW on the other hand has every right to change any part of the game they see fit regardless if you like it or not.

             

            I do not play on kiddistation. I only play on the xbox 360. So sorry no PSN to post. And no I am not going to post my GT here either just to be spammed by people like you. Unlike all the idiots that post their GT's places I am smart enough not to do that.

             

            Your forum account name shows enough for me not to need to take you serious since you can not deal with assasinpro. You are a noob if you can not handle how the game was changed. You are the one not adapting to how the game changed. You are the one trying to demand that it never change from what you like and want because it was easier for you and your friends.

             

            The fact that you have to call someone a coward shows that you are the real coward and just will not adapt to the changes because it is not as easy as it once was for you.

             

            And no I do not camp in the game all the time. Some games I rush, others I camp like a monster just depends on the weapon and perks I am using. For I never play the same all the time. I use every gun in this game, every perk, every attachment, every nade, every equipment. I do not need kills handed to me by holding them in one place like you seem to need.

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              AntiAssasinPro
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              Feb 27, 2012 9:26 PM (in response to trialstardragon)
              Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

              and there you go instigating again like a 12 year old LOL. Who cares about my name? Ever heard dont judge a book by its cover? I assume no since your not intellectual at all.

               

              Kidstation? I ve seen way more mature people on ps3 since most xbox suers have their mothers paying for their Live smh.

               

              I dont own the game? I preorder my $67.79 copy of said game we art thou playing so yes, I beleive I and many others do deserve recognition for supporting this fail of a company who listen to noobs like you who can't adjust with things that have been here for so long ahlie?( That is patois and some shakspeare up there if your feeble mind can't understand simple english)?

               

              So..... you camp? Just like I said thank you for pointing that out.

               

              Im not adapting? 5266 posts says your wrong. You yourself were probably raging out your couch on how you were getting supposedly spawn trapped when you just suck as I can see in your recent posts...........

               

              I called you a coward cause you are one. If you think your so damn smart then why does more than half of this forum disagree with you? Cause your an idiot and you clearly haven't seem to figure that out yet.too scared to post a gamertag on a website that is based off playing with one smh. noob trash go play leggo star wars.

               

              I need them handed to me? my KD is almost at the 1.50 mark ever since demo as been gone and before it was 1.38. Unlike you im not scared to post my stats.

               

               

               

              If only things were more organized by votes. We wouldnt have foolishness in the game and forums. The day deathsreaks are removed is the day mw3 will reach its peek

              • trialstardragon Master
                trialstardragon
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                Feb 29, 2012 10:43 AM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
                Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

                Clearly half the forum does not agree with you. And no you do not own the game, you bought a copy and own the media it is on but not the game itself. All you bought was the media and the privelige to play online that is all. IW owns the game so they have all the rights and can make any change they see fit even if you or others do not agree or like it.a

                 

                And there again your makin comment about my posts means nothing. I have been on these forums for a bit longer than you. It is not hard to get that many posts, so it means nothing.

                 

                And your name is enough content to judge the book by. Your forum name clearly shows you do not like assasin because of how it 1)hides players so you can not red dot hunt, 2) hides players so your kill streaks do not get you the kills you think it should. which clearly shows that no you can not adapt. Or else you would not need to come here and cry like a kid about it.

                 

                And there you go again thinking that those stats really mean something when they do not and never did. And having a 1.50 or 1.38 is not that great really. I have friends that have more then that. So stop acting like you are a great player, when all you are is an average player that can not adapt to a change because it made the game harder to get easy kills since now you have look more than just out in front all the time.

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                  AntiAssasinPro
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                  Feb 29, 2012 1:43 PM (in response to trialstardragon)
                  Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

                  And there you go writing an essay to make you seem smarter. Half the forum doesnt agree with me? Judging by the posts thats a lie. Can you read at a 5th grade level? inbecile.

                   

                  I dont care if infinity ward owns the actual multiplayer servers and etc etc. I own my PS3 controller and software which means I can do what i want on said game even if I can get banned. I could boost if I wanted to, they cant stop it unless someone files a report(not saying im boosting but I use it as an example). Take Robert failings tiny dick out your ass and smarten up please. There are flaws in this game which you clearly dont realize.

                   

                  Almost 5400 posts is a bit longer than me? thats like 13d on mw3. Grab a few friends and go skateboard(white kid)

                   

                  Enough content to judge a book by? Just because someone has a mental illness doesnt mean their stupid. Just because Lebron James averages more assists than kobe, doesnt mean he is a better player cause 5 rings says A lot. That is like saying your a star dragon based by your name which you are not. Read between the lines please and give me screen shots of me whining about ''chasing red dots.''If you have no proof be quiet, child. My name could be AntiDeadSilencePro, doesnt mean I sound whore does it? If I supposedly chase red dots(which I dont but if I see one infront of me I will proceed to that person) and still do better than you in this game, then you need to pack up your disc and buy Campingfield 3. You havent seen any of my actual matches or my profile so I dont wanna hear"killstreaks get the kills for you."Thats their job, fool.

                   

                   

                   

                  there are more things than red dots with assassin. counter UAV, EMP, negates a whole perk(marksman). The marksman is the only that seems odd since I like sniping. Cant see someone hidden in a grasspatch with a Barett in his hand aiming down my throat. Do your research before posting please, more oblivious than muslims eating pigs.

                   

                  I have friends that have better KDs than I have as well. Mine would be 1.70 but I had a bad start oh well but im talking about me and you so who cares about your no life friends.

                   

                  look infront? I shouldnt have to look behind me in my own spawn in demolition ROFL. I stopped playing that noobs friendly gamemode and went back to domination where spwns are more stable unless a fool walks in their flag zone....

                   

                  Maybe you should post your gamertag and ill take you more seriously. Pussywillow

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    DELTA13__
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    Feb 26, 2012 7:15 AM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    The problem is they don't have there priorities straight. The connection is only thing they should be working on. It's like buying new tires for a car with a blown motor. Yes it needs to be looked at but not until it runs.

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    Feb 26, 2012 1:17 PM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    demo is kind of an iffy issue due to the fact that one bomb site is for the most part in the spawn area. Now it would be nice if the sites were say closer to the defending spawn but not in it. However if you have noticed the maps are not designed with all gametypes in mind they look like they were designed for ffa with 8 players.

     

    the issue wasn't the spawns but rather the placement of the objectives and the design of the maps. its like trying to run a semi with an engine designed for a motorcycle.

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      AntiAssasinPro
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      Feb 26, 2012 1:32 PM (in response to zackyd665)
      Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

      I agree with the placement of the objectives but a whole game mode shoudlnt be ruined because of a bunch of sore losers.

       

      Deathstreaks have catered to noobs enough. Changing a game mode where even veterans are getting tired of the pathetic noobs spawning vehind them and considereed balanced to others like the trial troll above isnt the way to go.

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    Feb 26, 2012 6:45 PM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....
    The problem here is that the spawns only flip like that when one team has pushed ahead of the objectives and entered the opposing spawn zones. The usual offenders for this are the attackers, but some times defenders push too far as well. I agree that it is an issue that needs to be looked at, but then again, the way it was before didn't really help either. The only thing that will really make things better is if teams stop playing Demo (or HQ, Dom, other objective based games) like TDM (i.e. playing for kills) - but we all know that won't happen.
                                                               
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    Feb 27, 2012 5:40 PM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    Looks like he was using a Tactical Insertion.

  • jwaller123 Master
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    Feb 27, 2012 5:59 PM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    Looks like another I got shot in the back thread. These are getting as useful as the infected threads.

  • vims1990 Master
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:50 PM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    Personally I don't see Demolition lasting as a game mode in COD.

     

    It can only work if the bomb sites are progressive (like Rush in BF) as the bomb sites don't move to different locations everytime the attacking team takes down both bomb sites, requires much larger maps which COD doesn't offer & it's a game type for players to boost their K/D.

     

    I did play it in the BLOPS days and realised how flawed the gametype was in terms of spawns & how much of an advantage it is to be on the defending team.

     

    Spawns will never be fixed in demolition unless COD devs develop maps the size of what BF offers (which they obviously won't).

     

    I don't think it's right that they spawn behind you though.

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    Feb 29, 2012 6:44 AM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    Spawns switching sides on objective game modes just doesnt feel right, especially in demo. In domination its fair enough if you start capping or a just pushed right up near their home flag if the spawns switch. Atleast you usually get a warning because they usually try and capture your own home flag.

     

    If this new spawn system is here to stay then i suggest someway of letting teams know that the spawns have switched sides. This feature is in GoW3 and works perfectly, the announcer says "enemy forces!" everytime the spawns switch.

     

    I think this will make things more even. At the moment when the spawns switch who ever you just killed knows generally where you and your team are where as you have know idea where they are coming from. So all they have to do is come from behind and shoot you in the back, wheres the skill in that? If the game announced that the spawns had switched this would mean the team was pushing the enemy into the own spawn has the chance to alteast turn around and start pushing towards the enemy again.

     

    Everyone keeps going on about how "spawn trapping" isnt fair, well this means no more spawn trapping, since the enemy spawns will switch sides but it will also mean that the other team will be able to take the enemy on head on again. They won't be able to insta-"spawn trap" again on the other side either since they wont have time and the enemy will have been able to get out of their spawn.

     

    Anyone think this is a good idea? feel free to shoot it down aslong as you have good reasons to back it up lol

    • trialstardragon Master
      trialstardragon
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      Feb 29, 2012 10:47 AM (in response to MARKSIE)
      Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

      Your idea about it annoucing the switch is not bad really. Though it would take away some of the surprise factor unless perks like dead silent would prevent it fom being announced. It should not just announce every time the ememy is near your spawn for it would make stealth game play almost useless.

  • matuzz Master
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    Feb 29, 2012 8:14 AM (in response to AntiAssasinPro)
    Re: Change Demolition back plz.....

    Spawning enemy behind you is just dumb.

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